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Posted by x-tof on May 11, 2008, at 2:34:30
hi,
i have tried Stablon for 12 days now at normal dose (3x12,5mg) and the only effect I can describe is that it makes me feel more down, without any sense of initiative, lethargic, and way more anxious.The lorazepam I am used to take for about 1,5y, has lost it's strength due to the stablon.After about 30min I take Stablon, my mood goes down and down until I only want to sit in a chair and do nothing, losing all intrest. After some hours, this improves again.
My question is if this is to be expected when starting Stablon? Should I continue for some weeks and take more lorazepam or valium?Or try a lower dose? I tend to react strongly to meds, especially the side effects.I've had a similar experience with Seroxat. First weeks were great, no more anxious. But after about 6 weeks, when the anti-depressing affect should kick in, I really got depressed!Most of the time thes last 2 years, the only thing that makes me feel better is lorazepam.I'm also taking 25mg of Amytriptiline for sleeping, and I am getting off Nortrypthiline (I got to 50mg a day and with higher dose would increase anxiety-which is a common side effect of nortrilen-and am currently taking 25mg a day). I had some really good days with nortrilen, but all of a sudden also some bad days without any cause and that scared me so I wanted to stop. Maybe it's normal to experience some bad days and I should be more patient and stick to nortrilen? I had some great hopes on Stablon, but it has been e big disappointment for me so far and I'm am anxious to continue it..
Posted by undopaminergic on May 11, 2008, at 15:09:05
In reply to stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by x-tof on May 11, 2008, at 2:34:30
> hi,
>
> i have tried Stablon for 12 days now at normal dose (3x12,5mg) and the only effect I can describe is that it makes me feel more down, without any sense of initiative, lethargic, and way more anxious.The lorazepam I am used to take for about 1,5y, has lost it's strength due to the stablon.After about 30min I take Stablon, my mood goes down and down until I only want to sit in a chair and do nothing, losing all intrest. After some hours, this improves again.
> My question is if this is to be expected when starting Stablon?
>Yours does not sound like a typical reaction to tianeptine (Stablon), and I think it's clear that 12.5 mg thrice daily is not a viable solution for you. You should therefore test higher and lower doses. For the adverse effects you describe - in particular, lethargy and loss of motivation and initiative - effective treatments might be low doses of sulpiride or amisulpride, or modafinil or methylphenidate; several of them in combination may be prove the most effective. Of course, if tianeptine turns out to have no beneficial effects whatsoever, living with its side effects will not be a matter of concern.
Posted by Sigismund on May 11, 2008, at 16:14:25
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by undopaminergic on May 11, 2008, at 15:09:05
I'm not sure what you mean by 'down'.
Some people find tianeptine makes them feel weird in various ways, and others find that they feel wired up on it, and others that they feel amotivated, which I guess means kinda spread out and unable to collect themselves.
Posted by x-tof on May 11, 2008, at 17:11:26
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by Sigismund on May 11, 2008, at 16:14:25
> I'm not sure what you mean by 'down'.
> Some people find tianeptine makes them feel weird in various ways, and others find that they feel wired up on it, and others that they feel amotivated, which I guess means kinda spread out and unable to collect themselves.By "down" I mean depressed and totally amotivated. And on top of that I noticed that my feelings get much more intensive; when I feel sad, it will turn to very very deep sadness like I never experienced before.It gives me alot of moodswings and aggravates the anxiety.Stablon also makes me tired instead of wired up.
Maybe I'm taking the wrong medicine as my major problem is situated in anxiety feelings (without any proper cause, it's just there the whole day going up and down).Lorazepam gives me relief for couple of hours and makes me feeling "normal" again.But I think it's the anxiety that is causing the depression moods from time to time.I don't respond well however on typical anxiety meds like Xanax or Lysanxia; when I take those kind of meds, the anxiety feelings are much worse afterwards.Not so with Lorazepam.
I've tried Zyprexa (Olanzapine)and Seroquel (quetiapine) but didn't experience any good results with those.Zyprexa made me in a constant moodswing,and feeling unreal (difficult to describe this but definately not in a happy state of mind!) and Seroquel gave me very anxious dreams.I didn't try both meds very long, as with most meds.I'm to scared it will only get things worse.
Do you think Sulperide would have an impact on the anxiety?
BTW:I wonder what is in the Paroxetine that made me feel so good. It didn't last long however; I started with half a pill and that worked for about 2-3 weeks, then a whole pill which worked again for about 3 weeks. So whatever it is, it's something that is addicting...Anyhow, today I only took 1 Stablon and definately felt better then the days before.But the anxiety level was still up.So I'm in doubt, I don't think a higher dose is good for me and with a lower dose I still suffer from lethargy and higher level of anxiety for some hours and I don't know if the anxiolytic effect will kick in or not.Because if it doesn't and I need to take more Lorazepam, I might as well do so without taking Stablon.The point of taking Stablon is to get rid of the Lorazepam...
I tried Picamilon for 2 days some days ago but didn't feel any difference either. Of course that was in combination with the Stablon. Maybe it would give a better effect without the Stablon.But I've read it has some MAO effect and I don't think that would be a good idea to combine with the Nortryptiline and Amytriptiline I'm taking (although it's both is small doses...)?Any experts on this one?
Posted by undopaminergic on May 11, 2008, at 18:25:47
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by x-tof on May 11, 2008, at 17:11:26
> Do you think Sulperide would have an impact on the anxiety?
>Sulpiride does have some anxiolytic properties. However, it's more effective to improve motivation and initiative.
> BTW:I wonder what is in the Paroxetine that made me feel so good. It didn't last long however; I started with half a pill and that worked for about 2-3 weeks, then a whole pill which worked again for about 3 weeks. So whatever it is, it's something that is addicting...
>It may be either the serotonin-elevating effect, or the muscarininc acetylcholine receptor blockade. In the former case, the effect should be reproducible with sertraline (Zoloft), and in the latter case effective alternatives may be atropine, scopolamine, biperiden, trihexiphenidyl, benztropine or procyclidine.
Paroxetine is an SSRI that seems to be particularly liable to producing a withdrawal syndrome on discontinuation, so in that sense it can certainly be addicting.
>
> I tried Picamilon for 2 days some days ago but didn't feel any difference either. Of course that was in combination with the Stablon. Maybe it would give a better effect without the Stablon.But I've read it has some MAO effect and I don't think that would be a good idea to combine with the Nortryptiline and Amytriptiline I'm taking (although it's both is small doses...)?Any experts on this one?
>I haven't heard of picamilon having a MAOI effect, but in any case, nortriptyline and amitriptyline are safe to combine with MAOIs (imipramine and clomipramine are not).
I didn't notice much effect of picamilon either. Theanine (L-theanine), however, has definite effects - have you tried it? (My suggestion is to buy it in free form as a powder.)
Posted by Sigismund on May 11, 2008, at 19:52:10
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by undopaminergic on May 11, 2008, at 18:25:47
Picamilon I found agitating on high doses, and no use on low ones.
>Because if it doesn't and I need to take more Lorazepam, I might as well do so without taking Stablon.The point of taking Stablon is to get rid of the Lorazepam...
Even if Stablon worked well I'd be surprised if you could replace lorazepam with it.
Tianeptine agreed with me but I tended to take a little more benzo with it.
Posted by garylee on May 11, 2008, at 22:41:05
In reply to stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by x-tof on May 11, 2008, at 2:34:30
x-tof...
May I ask what your diagnosis is? If you react badly to standard AD's (Prozac and other SSRI's) you may have a form of Bipolar Dissorder? It is generally known now not to give Bipolar's SSRI's as they can trigger cycling - bouts of mania, hypomania and depression. Personally Prozac after 6 weeks sent me hypomanic for a good few months, (this was the way I was diagnosed as so) with a very big 'crash' afterwards. It was the second most depressive state I have had during my time of being ill.
Anyway, after reading your pot I couldn't help thinking you may respond well to a Dopamine Agonisg like Pramipexole. Cutting a long story short, it almost 'cured' me about four years ago. I stopped it to try anothe DA and second time around it did't work. Shame.
Sorry to ramble, just my thoughts though. :O)
Posted by garylee on May 11, 2008, at 22:51:00
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by garylee on May 11, 2008, at 22:41:05
I should add what I was and still am taking along with the Pramipexole:
Lamictal 200mg - Mood stabaliser, wakes me up in the morning and makes my cognitive problems far better.
Sulpiride 100mg - A good antidepressant in small doses/ Also very good for general anxiety/scocial phobia.
Seroquel 50mg - Low dose, basicly just using the side effect of drosiness to aid my getting to sleep. This combined with..
Clonazepam 2mg - Is an excellent slep combo. The clonaze calms my heart and head, allowing me to switch off.
I'm adding eithe Amineptine or Hydrocodone to the mix soon (which ever one arrives first). I'm also dabbling about with Tramadol atm, with good results...
Posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 4:49:41
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by undopaminergic on May 11, 2008, at 18:25:47
> > Do you think Sulperide would have an impact on the anxiety?
> >
>
> Sulpiride does have some anxiolytic properties. However, it's more effective to improve motivation and initiative.
>
> > BTW:I wonder what is in the Paroxetine that made me feel so good. It didn't last long however; I started with half a pill and that worked for about 2-3 weeks, then a whole pill which worked again for about 3 weeks. So whatever it is, it's something that is addicting...
> >
>
> It may be either the serotonin-elevating effect, or the muscarininc acetylcholine receptor blockade. In the former case, the effect should be reproducible with sertraline (Zoloft), and in the latter case effective alternatives may be atropine, scopolamine, biperiden, trihexiphenidyl, benztropine or procyclidine.
>
> Paroxetine is an SSRI that seems to be particularly liable to producing a withdrawal syndrome on discontinuation, so in that sense it can certainly be addicting.
>
> >
> > I tried Picamilon for 2 days some days ago but didn't feel any difference either. Of course that was in combination with the Stablon. Maybe it would give a better effect without the Stablon.But I've read it has some MAO effect and I don't think that would be a good idea to combine with the Nortryptiline and Amytriptiline I'm taking (although it's both is small doses...)?Any experts on this one?
> >
>
> I haven't heard of picamilon having a MAOI effect, but in any case, nortriptyline and amitriptyline are safe to combine with MAOIs (imipramine and clomipramine are not).
>
> I didn't notice much effect of picamilon either. Theanine (L-theanine), however, has definite effects - have you tried it? (My suggestion is to buy it in free form as a powder.)
I tried Effexor for some months, but no effect there also.I had to stick to the starting dose (37,5mg) because if I took 75mg, the same happened as with Paroxetine : I got very depressed.And either way, it didn't improve anything to my anxiety.So I never had the same experience with an ssri as I had with Paroxetine in the first 6 weeks.I tried Zoloft for some days, it just made me nausia.I used Paroxetine for about 8 weeks, and it took me about 10 weeks to get off it, terrible product!I guess a small dose of sulpiride might be helpfull. What dose is that? 100mg?
I haven't heard about Theanine.Can the powder be bought at the pharmacist? How much do you take? The caps I find on the internet are 150mg (Solgar).I have tried other natural tranquilizers such as valerian,passionflower, etc but without any results.
Posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 5:23:15
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by garylee on May 11, 2008, at 22:41:05
> x-tof...
>
> May I ask what your diagnosis is? If you react badly to standard AD's (Prozac and other SSRI's) you may have a form of Bipolar Dissorder? It is generally known now not to give Bipolar's SSRI's as they can trigger cycling - bouts of mania, hypomania and depression. Personally Prozac after 6 weeks sent me hypomanic for a good few months, (this was the way I was diagnosed as so) with a very big 'crash' afterwards. It was the second most depressive state I have had during my time of being ill.
>
> Anyway, after reading your pot I couldn't help thinking you may respond well to a Dopamine Agonisg like Pramipexole. Cutting a long story short, it almost 'cured' me about four years ago. I stopped it to try anothe DA and second time around it did't work. Shame.
>
> Sorry to ramble, just my thoughts though. :O)
My diagnosis....
I'm stuck with chronic fatigue syndrome and spasmophilia. In my opinion the anxiety comes from the spasmophilia.I went to a psychiatrist,the kind that doesn't believe in those kind of illnesses...,and he thought that maybe I had a bipolar with a rapid cycle.I never had any manic episode though. But he tried every moodstabilizer there is, including lithium. All for very short periodes cause they all made me feel lousy, all total lethargic or exhausted or depressed.
The symptoms that are typical for spasmophilia are the ones that describe my state of being the best.Unfortunately I haven't come across any solutions except for benzo's. About 8y ago I had a similar period and was helped alot with Clonazepam (Rivotril).It helped my anxiety feelings enormously but downside was that it killed my feelings and made me depressed.But now it hasn't even given me that effect on the anxiety.An dI don't want to feel any more depressed or without any feelings.What is the difference between Lamictal and Sulpiride as they both seem to be used as a mood enhancer.Is there a starting up period,with risk of negative side effects, or should the effect be immediate?
Posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 5:29:31
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by Sigismund on May 11, 2008, at 19:52:10
> Picamilon I found agitating on high doses, and no use on low ones.
>
> >Because if it doesn't and I need to take more Lorazepam, I might as well do so without taking Stablon.The point of taking Stablon is to get rid of the Lorazepam...
>
> Even if Stablon worked well I'd be surprised if you could replace lorazepam with it.
> Tianeptine agreed with me but I tended to take a little more benzo with it.Then Tianeptine isn't what I'm looking for. Last night I took half Stablon and it made me sleepy,which is nice to sleep ;-) I woke up at 5am and took another half and I slept again for some hours.Weird, isn't it... So it might be a good sleeping aid, but the fact remains that it keeps my anxiety level high the next day and I would need more lorazepam.
@everybody: maybe I shouldn't seek my answer in pills, but in longterm solutions such as Mindfulness.... :-)
Posted by cumulative on May 12, 2008, at 5:41:41
In reply to Re:, posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 5:29:31
It got better within a few weeks. This is just a theory I'm throwing out -- but it seems as if in the past that I needed to rev myself up, really get the adrenaline coursing, in order to focus myself enough to deal effectively with any situation at all. Tianeptine significantly counters noradrenaline and cortisol transmission.
And along these lines, the recovery from the apathetic sort of state that Tianeptine induced for a time following the first few days' stimulant effect, may have simply been a matter of ... developing new habits. Neuroplasticity.
Quite effective for me, if mild. I think I am fond of doing short "courses" of this medicine.
Posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 6:57:09
In reply to I got something of a low-energy effect., posted by cumulative on May 12, 2008, at 5:41:41
> It got better within a few weeks. This is just a theory I'm throwing out -- but it seems as if in the past that I needed to rev myself up, really get the adrenaline coursing, in order to focus myself enough to deal effectively with any situation at all. Tianeptine significantly counters noradrenaline and cortisol transmission.
>
> And along these lines, the recovery from the apathetic sort of state that Tianeptine induced for a time following the first few days' stimulant effect, may have simply been a matter of ... developing new habits. Neuroplasticity.
>
> Quite effective for me, if mild. I think I am fond of doing short "courses" of this medicine.English isn't my primary language...but are you saying that you also experienced that apathetic feeling and that you got better after some weeks and had more energy? I dind't experience any of that stimulating effect in the beginning though.
Then maybe it would be a good idea to add sulpiride now as a stimulator...
Posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 13:58:08
In reply to Re: undopaminergic, posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 4:49:41
I've been looking in to both products you suggested and they seem indeed something worth to try.
I have a slight favor for amisulpride because:
In one study, anxiety measured by HAM-A total mean score decreased significantly more with amisulpride 50 mg/day (63%) than with fluoxetine 20 mg/day (54%)
and I haven't found anything similar about sulpride.
Or would a combination have more effect? At what doses?
I would quit taking Stablon, as I haven't experienced any positive effect and I would stick to my 25mg of Amythriptiline and maybe 25mg of Nortryptiline.But this last one also makes the anxiety level increase so there might be no point in continuing that and just stick to amisulpride as it is used for treating both depression an anxiety...? And the 25 Amytrp. for sleeping.
What do you think? Now I have to convince my doc....wish me luck...
Posted by Sigismund on May 12, 2008, at 21:41:51
In reply to Re:, posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 5:29:31
>maybe I shouldn't seek my answer in pills, but in longterm solutions such as Mindfulness
We have all our lives to practice that.
People do get better at it over time, I think.
Posted by undopaminergic on May 15, 2008, at 20:18:50
In reply to Re: undopaminergic:amisulpride or sulpride, posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 13:58:08
> I've been looking in to both products you suggested and they seem indeed something worth to try.
> I have a slight favor for amisulpride because:
> In one study, anxiety measured by HAM-A total mean score decreased significantly more with amisulpride 50 mg/day (63%) than with fluoxetine 20 mg/day (54%)
> and I haven't found anything similar about sulpride.
> Or would a combination have more effect?Since sulpiride and amisulpride are very similar drugs, combining them is not likely to be useful.
> At what doses?
Sulpiride: 50-200 mg, two to three times daily.
Amisulpride: same dose, once or twice daily.Lower doses are more stimulating, but higher doses are possibly more useful for anxiety. The maximum recommended doses are above 1000 mg (up to about 3 grams for sulpiride), but such amounts are generally only relevant to the treatment of active schizophrenic psychosis and similar situations. Also, at high doses QT-prolongation may become a concern, especially in patients with preexisting cardiac abnormalities.
Posted by undopaminergic on May 15, 2008, at 20:28:39
In reply to Re: @garylee, posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 5:23:15
>
> What is the difference between Lamictal and Sulpiride as they both seem to be used as a mood enhancer.Is there a starting up period,with risk of negative side effects, or should the effect be immediate?
>Lamotrigine (Lamictal) and sulpiride are very different drugs. Sulpiride is an antipsychotic and antidepressant, while lamotrigine is an anticonvulsant/antiepileptic agent that has been found useful as a mood stabiliser and antidepressant. Sulpiride generally has a rapid onset of action, whereas lamotrigine generally must be started at very low - and mostly ineffective - doses and titrated slowly upwards in order to avoid provoking a rash.
Posted by undopaminergic on May 15, 2008, at 20:38:34
In reply to Re: undopaminergic, posted by x-tof on May 12, 2008, at 4:49:41
>
> I haven't heard about Theanine.Can the powder be bought at the pharmacist?
>Most pharmacies don't carry it, but some might, or they may be willing to order it for you. It's probably cheaper, however, to order it on-line. For example, Unique Nutrition has a 50 gram free from L-theanine product. A web search would turn up a number of resellers.
> How much do you take? The caps I find on the internet are 150mg (Solgar).
>150 mg may be enough for some people, depending on purpose, but doses of well over a gram are likely to be necessary for pronounced sedative effect. In short, you will have to experiment.
Posted by x-tof on May 16, 2008, at 4:06:35
In reply to Re: undopaminergic, posted by undopaminergic on May 15, 2008, at 20:38:34
I have stopped with Tianeptine 3 days ago and I feel much better, myself again. Anxiety level is back to "normal" and my mood swings aren't as magnified anymore.
I will try amisulpride 50mg today and see what it gives.As I seem sensitive to meds and only need a low dose, I will take twice 25mg.
I would like to thank you all for your usefull comments!
X-tof
Posted by okydoky on May 16, 2008, at 12:30:59
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by garylee on May 11, 2008, at 22:51:00
> I should add what I was and still am taking along with the Pramipexole:
>
> Lamictal 200mg - Mood stabaliser, wakes me up in the morning and makes my cognitive problems far better.
>
> Sulpiride 100mg - A good antidepressant in small doses/ Also very good for general anxiety/scocial phobia.
>
> Seroquel 50mg - Low dose, basicly just using the side effect of drosiness to aid my getting to sleep. This combined with..
>
> Clonazepam 2mg - Is an excellent slep combo. The clonaze calms my heart and head, allowing me to switch off.
>
> I'm adding eithe Amineptine or Hydrocodone to the mix soon (which ever one arrives first). I'm also dabbling about with Tramadol atm, with good results...I Currently take amineptine and started Lamictal 25mg for about a week. Last night I started getting a rash and it scared me. My doc was overly worried about it. I ordered Selegiline. But I started taking tianeptine yesterday because I had it in the house. I was not able to take it before because I had side effects from another disease. I was looking for anyone who had combined amineptine with tianeptine. Let me know if you do this. Have you read about anyone else trying this?
Posted by garylee on May 16, 2008, at 13:16:57
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by okydoky on May 16, 2008, at 12:30:59
Hi
Can you tell me how the Amineptine is going for you? I'm planning on starting it next week. Having high hopes for it as Dopaminergics have really been the only meds that have pushed me to any sort of a remission state. The other meds just help me get along, makes life that little bit easier...
As for the Lamical, take it VERY slowly! The rash is an issue (as you know now) and also if you are Bipolar of sort then it'll probably cause a bit of hypomania, which isn't always a bad thing if you're constantly depressed! Also check you glands around your throat, they can sometimes inflame, if that happens just try lowering the dose slightly.
I should add that my brother and I (we suffer the same prety much) have found that augmentating Clonazepam at night to sleep seems to make the Lamictal work better. Maybe try that? We also take a low dose (100mg) of Sulpiride, helps with social phobia and has a slight antidepressant effect.
Hope this helps.
Gary.
Posted by okydoky on May 16, 2008, at 16:26:52
In reply to Re: @ okydoky, posted by garylee on May 16, 2008, at 13:16:57
I take Clonazipam daily since starting the amineptine with the ritalin because I am too anxious. Check out the following threads: In reply to Re: Is amineptine (survector) totally extinct?, posted by undopaminergic on May 9, 2008, at 19:07:52 you will see my posts about the amineptine not working this time. It has in the past though. I do not know why sometimes it does and others not.
I was not able to take Tianeptine before and am not sure if I will be now but what effect has it had on you?
Was on Amisullpride for some time and had increased prolactin so I am not sure about taking sulpride myself.
I really am not functioning well or much at all and cognitively doing worse and worse. I might not be the best person to ask about how the medications work. But I am told AMineptine works for some and not for others.
Good Luck and keep me informed. Let me know if you have any other questions too,
oky
Posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 11:12:14
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by okydoky on May 16, 2008, at 12:30:59
> Can you tell me how the Amineptine is going for you? I'm planning on starting it next week. Having high hopes for it as Dopaminergics have really been the only meds that have pushed me to any sort of a remission state. The other meds just help me get along, makes life that little bit easier...
>
> As for the Lamical, take it VERY slowly! The rash is an issue (as you know now) and also if you are Bipolar of sort then it'll probably cause a bit of hypomania, which isn't always a bad thing if you're constantly depressed! Also check you glands around your throat, they can sometimes inflame, if that happens just try lowering the dose slightly.
>
> I should add that my brother and I (we suffer the same prety much) have found that augmentating Clonazepam at night to sleep seems to make the Lamictal work better. Maybe try that? We also take a low dose (100mg) of Sulpiride, helps with social phobia and has a slight antidepressant effect.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
Gary.
I read what I posted to you yesterday and it does look very helpful. Sorry
Amineptine, when it did work:
I could tell within three days. The seller suggests a weeks trial. It is known to have a quick onset of action, or rapid onset
Not good at nomenclature some of this is from wikipedia. Thought it might help me both understand myself and explain symptoms and improvement
Sadness improved, anxiety not so much, felt alive again though
Symptoms of Anhedonia, was able to feel pleasure again which gave me hope
Slept better which is a major problem for me
I was still restless or agitated and took Clonazepam
Psychomotor agitation
I tear at my fingers and although I do not remember I am sure that stopped
Feelings of worthlessness, inappropriate guilt, helplessness, hopelessness, pessimism
All improved much
Difficulty thinking, concentrating, remembering or making decisions
Decision making always improves when my depression is better, concentration and focus likely improved but I have significant problems with these
With hope thoughts of death and suicide were not an issue while the Amineptine worked
I tend to be social even when depressed at least until the last year or two
I was energized and began doing everyday tasks I had given up on
My sensation of pain and its ability to overcome me was much improvedI definitely needed to augment Amineptine with Clonazipam
Dysthymia was ever presentAmineptine on its own was almost as good as Parnate for me. It was the only antidepressant besides Parnate that ever helped me at all.
I believe I tried Pramipexole and became too agitated. I continue to take ritalin. I thought you would b intereted to know I take 40-60mg of oxycontin daily also and about 15mg of valium. I started taking Atarax at night to calm bladder spasm down and help me sleep.
I am still itching from the rash that started so I think I made the right decition stopping the Lamictal? I started taking Stablon again and stopped the amineptine for now. I wanted to see how I reacted to the Stabon on its own and because I have only a limited supply of amineptine left to try and wanted to try it with Selegiline. I am very indecisive. Big problem. I ask for help here and get great respone but am unable to really follow up much because of the indecisivness.
Keep me updated on what you try together and how it all works. I wish you the best.
oky
Posted by x-tof on May 26, 2008, at 8:53:34
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by okydoky on May 16, 2008, at 12:30:59
As Stablon isn't working for me, I have one entire box left. If there's anybody interested in buying it,feel free to contact me.
Posted by West on May 27, 2008, at 15:27:02
In reply to Re: stablon/tianeptine is not working at all!, posted by Sigismund on May 11, 2008, at 19:52:10
I too didn't have the desired response. I have 15 x 15 blister packs of stablon brand which i need to sell. (and 45 zyban 150mg). Feel free to contact.
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