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Posted by UgottaHaveHOPE on May 20, 2006, at 23:08:12
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by heaven help me on May 20, 2006, at 22:23:37
How about going to your Physician's Assistant to your family doctor on Monday? You can usually see PA's very quickly (even without an appt.) and then explain your situation.
Posted by bassman on May 21, 2006, at 6:33:33
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
This everyone who is on psychoactive drugs worst nightmare-the "begging" for meds that were prescribed and without which, wihdrawal will occur. I think it is inhuman-would this happen to a person for pain meds with a pinched nerve? I doubt it. The stigma of mental illness lives, unfortunately. Where is the "first of all, do no harm" ethic?
No GP that would give you a script for the the meds? I wish I had a magic answer other than my feeling of being disgusted with the ignorance and inhumanity of the medical personell involved.
Best of luck...
Posted by willyee on May 21, 2006, at 14:31:24
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on May 21, 2006, at 6:33:33
Thanks for the advice guys,im not orginaly from this state,and overall my health is good,my pyhsical health,so A gp was never a concern,what i do is go to what they call PATIENT FIRST,like a urgnent care,u know the fast food type places of docters.
I have tried one or two personal gp`s,im still trying to find one through word of mouth.
Anyway i made the decision of going to ER over them,but after speaking to a friend or two sounds like as u guys say having gone to a GP would have been the best thing.
Monday morning i will more likly do so,as i have one klonopin left,however i have two friends who dident get my messages that morning and have since contacted me about giving me some xanax.
Im feeling better about that as i have personaly helped tons of friends with meds when they were in need,as well as advice,and im already defensive now about being used,so again im glad they have at least offered.
Posted by Jost on May 21, 2006, at 14:45:13
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 21, 2006, at 14:31:24
It is bad --the attitude of lots of doctors about pain medications in general--they can be really heartless.
Having a GP or an internist, even if you're in good health, is always worth it, though. What if you get a sinus infection, sprain your ankle, etc?
Jost
Posted by blueberry on May 21, 2006, at 15:48:18
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Yeah, I would try to see a GP right away. Many of them can take you the same day you call or at least within a week. Explain the situation. If you have to, just go right down the yellow pages of the phone book.
In a tight pinch, you can boost the klono and take slightly smaller doses for a few days to stretch it out without missing any days. To do that, go the drug store or health food store and get some taurine and some gaba. The taurine will likely do the best job since it crosses the brain barrier, but gaba can help too. Taurine compliments the actions of benzos and gaba. People have even weaned off klono by using taurine. So in a pinch, you could stretch out the doses you have without missing a day by taking a little bit less than usual and taking as much taurine as you need to make up the difference. It won't be perfect, but it will be a whole lot better than going without.
Posted by jedi on May 22, 2006, at 3:49:50
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Willyee,
Show the ER doctor or any doctor that is treating you this abstract. It is very dangerous to quit clonazepam without a slow taper. Seizures can be induced even in patients without a history of seizures.
Take care,
JediPsychiatr J Univ Ott. 1989 Sep;14(3):484.
Seizure in gradual clonazepam withdrawal.
Wong T, Tiessen E.
Convulsions from abrupt clonazepam withdrawal in patients with a seizure history or concurrent neuroleptic use have been described in the literature. This is a report of a patient without these precipitating factors developing seizure despite "gradual" reduction of clonazepam by .5 mg every 4 days. The possibility of clonazepam withdrawal seizures should be kept in mind even in patients not considered at risk for developing seizures. Clonazepam cessation should be more gradual, even slower than .5 mg every 4 days.
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Posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 10:46:16
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by jedi on May 22, 2006, at 3:49:50
Thanks for the responses you guys,wow its appreciated.
Im happy to say i had a friend come by who is on xanax 4 x a day and had more than enough to spare,in fact gave me a remainder of a bottle as she had more.
After all the advice i have given people to try to sway them from going down my road,i was worried i did it for nothing if no one could help me in a time of need,i dont usualy need anything,well i only needed a few tabs but im very thankful
Posted by bassman on May 22, 2006, at 11:03:36
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 10:46:16
None of us read that you got a controlled substance from another individual, luckily!:>} But I did think to myself, I must admit, "if willyee were within easy driving distance, and since I have extra Klonopin; and since we're all in this together, etc."
Posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on May 22, 2006, at 11:03:36
Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
Thanks for all the support!
Posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 2:35:24
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
Willyee,
So you made up that whole elaborate scenario just to see how people on the board would react? Call me gullible, I guess. You have way too much time on your hands.
Jedi> Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
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> I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
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> Thanks for all the support!
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !! » willyee, posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 2:35:24
If you read the whole thread you would know whether or oot i made it up,have i had a history of comming here making up stories? In fact i usualy only stick to posts i might either have a contribution to,or question in,and that is Maois,but if it means my credability thats more important than any thing else so NO i surly did not make up a single word of anything i wrote.
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:32:25
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
My post began very serious and then lightened,so i am sorry for the confusion of anyone reading,its just in that time frame my state of mind changed a little so the direction of my post lightened as well.
Posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 12:44:17
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 12:58:56
In reply to I'm sorry for misunderstanding (nm) » willyee, posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 12:44:17
I don't even know why you said that, as I haven't read any of the other messages. I just wanted to say thank you for apologizing. It stood out, and made the whole board a nicer place.
Lar
Posted by kimcrazylady on May 23, 2006, at 16:25:37
In reply to Re: I'm sorry for misunderstanding » jedi, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 12:58:56
From what I gathered, it was a CYA move since someone suggested it is illegal to get certain drugs from a friend. That is how I read it anyway. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble for sharing meds either.
willyee, have you tried getting some meds from your pharmacist? They generally understand the seriousness of withdrawal and if you use the same store, they will know you have had these scripts filled and know doses, etc. My pharmacy has ALWAYS given me enough to get by if I run out for any reason. I switched docs one time and they were happy to give me enough to get by with confirmation of a new appt. They even once explained how certain folks could be liable if anyone had complications from going without meds. I'd threaten to turn in the freaking doc office unless they called in a script ASAP. They should know the seriousness of withdrawal and I'd make sure they know you are serious about filing a grievance if they don't call in enough until your next appt.
Good luck.
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 17:54:55
In reply to Re: I'm sorry for misunderstanding, posted by kimcrazylady on May 23, 2006, at 16:25:37
Well i seen the same Doc for five years,when she left in that week time frame i immediatly had a problem with staff,mind u in 5 years i never once called there in need of speaking in emergency to my Doc or anyone else.
Well as luck would have it a problem arose the week she left,for the first time i called in the office,and spoke to the offc MGR this being the first time ever i had even known there was one.
From the second she got on the phone she was EXTREMLY COLD,being a phone tech for over years i know u can tell how someone is going to act on the phone within the first few seconds.So of course she did not listen to anything i had to say,and to my grievnace her response was in almost the exact words .......WELL FIND URSELF A NEW DOCTER ELSEWHERE.
I was in total shock,five years there,never comming to them with a single issue and this is the loyality?Well without knowing the entire story she basicaly said shed speak to the referred doc and have him get back to me on my issue.
2 weeks later,2 days before my appt to see this new doc,yess he got back to me,how? In a letter saying he COULD not possably work with me after i had a verbal altercation with a staff member as they are there to aid him,and basicaly told me forget about the appt and to p- off.
I called there and told them thats fine but if they are gonna cut me off two days before my appt i would obviously need 30 days to find a new doc.So i went up and picked up 30 days of standerd meds,never actualy talking to the doc about what i needed,he i assume went off notes,i arrived to find the scripts at the front.
On my way out ironicaly i seen my old doc packing her car with boxes,she expressed howd she miss me,and i told her what had happened and she said part of why she was leaving was the dirtection the office was taking.Long story short(too late) my nearest appt with a spanking new doc would not be until well over a month,klonopin would be the only med id come up short,feeling ok at the time i dident caclulate just how short,and i dident think id fall into W/D so hard.
So i ran out of klonopin due to a miscalculation,not abuse,yet ER doc stared at me,and treated me while writing his 3 pill script of klonopin like i was some benzo gulping junkie.
I called the office but since my doc was totaly gone by now,i was not surprised to not revieve a call back.Thats what i get i guess for opening my mouth and saying i had a problem,i got booted.
I felt so angry when she basicaly told me to get lost at the first sign of a disagreement,i mean this is a docters office,her saying that made me even more firm in my belief that most doc offices dont care a thing about u,i just wish my doc even though i know she was busy leaving could have stepped in a little,but they would not even pass messages along to her saying she was not there on the clock and i should forget about her,she is not my doc anymore and she has nothing to do with my situation.
A very ugly experiance from start to.......well were not quite done yet!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
I think it is mean to joke about a serious problem that actually does happen to people- and when it's real, it can be a n.i.g.h.t.m.a.r.e., hell. Have you ever personally experienced this problem for real? "Irresponsable" or not, all kinds of things can happen to turn "pill shortage" into reality: theft, absentmindedness, taking too much impulsively, whatever. The drugs of the class are notoriously addictive, too. I don't think it's fair to automatically blame the sufferer or say they are irresponsable. Also, some unfortunate folks DO have to crawl to work without their meds at times, and some suffer heinously-whether or not they even make it to work. It sucks to flip out in the office or on public transportation, for example, to have no one believe you when you explain lost your bottle of pills (again), etc. Fortunately, when it happened to me, doctors believed me, gave me a re-supply, asked some questions. It happens. I would bet most people here who use benzos are aware of what they are dealing with, and there are plenty of genuine trauma stories on this board to educate anyone who might not have been aware, or who would like to learn more. Why add fictional "educational" parables???? Why, why are you so especially priveleged to do so? This board is for real, right? Sure hope so. Personally, I am newish here, trying to educate myself, and I hope it's from people sharing real, credible stories and insights and that we can learn from each others' experiences. I don't like feeling tricked. I went through losing a bottle of klonopin, and I didn't think it was funny, I don't believe it was anything of my fault- but that isn't even what matters. It was humiliating hell before finally being addressed and "educational fiction" feels patronizing. I can't exaggerate: HELL. I hope fiction or jokes don't happen here too often, for that would compromise the Board's credibility, and take people's attention away from someone having a REAL crisis. Thank you for your consideration.
> Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
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> I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
>
> Thanks for all the support!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
At this point I'm confused and have no idea if you made any of it up or not, but the possibility of it is upsetting, and I think I'll go read something else.Best wishes.
> If you read the whole thread you would know whether or oot i made it up,have i had a history of comming here making up stories? In fact i usualy only stick to posts i might either have a contribution to,or question in,and that is Maois,but if it means my credability thats more important than any thing else so NO i surly did not make up a single word of anything i wrote.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:58:32
In reply to more Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !! » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
I think the answer is "yes" in reference to making up stories-and your reply to someone else who asked you the last time was almost identical to this one.
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
> Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » bassman, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
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> Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
> something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
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> > Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
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Im the brother of the person in question,i have a valid yahoo account and myspace and much more so i just would like to make that clear so no one believes otherwise.I watch him on this site when he is supposed to be doing other things,and have just read this posting.From what i gather,the orginal post,by my brother,was in 05,during this time,due to his docter suddenly retiring he was left short of klonopin.
Thinking he was stronger than he was,he attempted to make it without,since he could only seek a new docter which he immediatly did,but that was going to be no short of six weeks,leaving him at best 2 weeks with no medication.
He posted a sincere post,he buzzed around it because in the post he wanted to share that he got help,a friend did step up and provide him with the benzos he needed until he seen his docter.Er which he spent all day in,did not,this had him terrified,he was happy to share the bad with the good and tell people he was going to be ok.
Again this all stems from the same post,the same thread on `05.
Replying to a old thread is fine,makes total sense,but im sorry if i come out wrong but it seems as if you display this situation as it being new,my brother is banned,and bassman answering this post even said "like last made up story"When he says that,he means just that,the last one,which going back to first base,was answered by will, that the reason he bounced around the post was in fear of actualy comming out and saying he recieved medication from a friend and not a docter.
Even though it wasnt his fault he ended up in the spot,not knowing the doc was leaving,trying to go to ER,etc,he still did not want to post openly he was using medication not prescribed to him,while at the same time he wanted to share to some people,bassman actualy,that he was ok.
Unless im mistaken,and please make this known to me without hesitation,you were involved in the orignal thread that took place on `05,which Will addressed this very question,and explained he would never flat out make a story up.
My brother was always on herE,posting and i seen a lot of them where he just basicaly answered questions.Why would anyone believe he would make up a random story for no reason,is this the impression he gave off,i ask this out of genuine concern.Anyway,again to close,the post in question was about a situation that happened in `05,one that i know personaly for a fact was terrifying for him,he did not make any of it up,and there still exsists a thread dated all in `05 where this is asked and answered,bassman you were apart of it and said some encourgaging things i saw.
Will is banned,there is no SECOND story,this post is in reply to the same story of `05,in which if im not mistaken the poster was a part of then too.I was surprised to see it show up `07,will posted a story about a situation very close to him,very close,im surprised how easly it seems his character would be questioned without even looking and seeing this poster is respondig to a long thread already spoken of and answered,and not being the case of a new story just made up,does any of this seem funny to anyone?
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:35:51
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
I was wrong now i that i look,u were not part of the orignal thread,but yess he did not make up a single word of the story,if anything couldent put the entire horror into words......again things being the way they are,he did not want to flat out state he got help from a friend and not a docter,sorry for the confusion.
I assure you however,it was not made up,it was very very real.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 20:14:23
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 22:07:03
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 20:14:23
> Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
You mention that before you mention that there actualy was no second "fake story" and it was a lil mishap,would you want to be accused of faking a story when you dident at all,come on no one is trying to argue here,nevermind im so saddened it`s unreal.
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