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Posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 20:23:31
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?, posted by lynn970 on September 11, 2005, at 20:09:22
Thats enough to cause anxiety....why on earth wld ur insurance not pay??? i wld dispute that. anxiety is awful to live w/ and there is help available. if ur ins. isnt willing to pay for a pdoc or therapy, there are places that offer treatment on a sliding scale payment plan. they are listed in ur phone book or on the net. hang in there Miss lynn.
Posted by lynn970 on September 11, 2005, at 20:30:26
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you? » lynn970, posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 20:23:31
I will definitaly appeal it. I was sent to the emergency room and I woke up in a behavior management unit in another town, all because I said, "If it was not for my children, I would wand to die." Isnt it normal to feel that way? Hasnt everyone felt that way at one time or another?
Posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 20:36:18
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?, posted by lynn970 on September 11, 2005, at 20:30:26
> i know i have said that exact thing but i know that here, by law if i were to say it to a dr.,nurse,etc. they will do the same. lynn, im worried about u, especially not having a doc that specializes in depression/anxiety. please, please look into finding a doc that can help. u are so special and can feel better.
Posted by lynn970 on September 11, 2005, at 20:43:55
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you? » lynn970, posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 20:36:18
Thanks for your concern. I will find a doc. The sad part is that I am a christian. If I have faith in God, then why the anxiety?
Posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 20:57:13
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?, posted by lynn970 on September 11, 2005, at 20:43:55
I've wondered that too lynn. I read a post once where this babbler was also a Christian and felt bad re: her depression/anx. so she asked her Sunday school teacher about it and the teacher replied "God made the people to make the meds. to help u feel better" or something similiar. i found that interesting.
Posted by spriggy on September 11, 2005, at 21:51:36
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you? » lynn970, posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 20:57:13
I am so sorry you are having such a hard time.
I go through periods of anxiety (just hits me upside the head... WHAM! there it is!), and occasionally bouts of depression (only had deeeep suicidal type depression once... what a horror!).
Anyway, my anxiety does seem to just pop up, but when I usually think about it, I can find some sort of trigger (even if it's too much caffeine and not enough sleep, per se).
I dealt with the whole "Christian having anxiety/depression" issue myself and just resolved in my heart that just because I am a Christian doesn't mean I won't experience all the difficulties and realities of life on this earth as everyone else. Don't allow yourself to feel condemned about being human.
You can have all the faith in God in the world and still suffer with depression, anxiety, cancer, or any other human illness. I had to accept that.I have learned to work hard at not "overspiritualizing" my anxiety or depression. Sometimes it just "is."
Lynn, try your best to rest, relax (a good 1 hour massage from a massage therapist works wonders for me!), take a nice long bath, and if you have anti anxiety medicine that helps, take that when you feel it creeping in.
Don't beat yourself up for feeling this way. You are a great person with a strong faith! Keep pressing on..
(((hugs)))
Posted by linkadge on September 12, 2005, at 8:38:22
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you? » lynn970, posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 20:57:13
Yeah, I was a christian at one point but the depression has basically ruined it.
I find it so hard to believe it a god that won't help. But that thought is so quickly replaced by feelings of guilt since my problems are insignificant. If he was going to help, he should focus first on all the starving people in another country, clearly their suffering is worse than my problems. (of course that line of thinking solves nothing either)
God gave us the meds ? What about the people for whom the meds don't work? Does God choose cures that selectively help some people and not others ?
Sorry for being so bitter
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on September 12, 2005, at 8:51:36
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?..Lynn, posted by spriggy on September 11, 2005, at 21:51:36
I know its best not to overspiritualize, but you get to a point where there is nobody or nothing else to blame.
Time is the other killer. If you get better, it's easy to sum up all the rage to a chemical imballence, but when you don't improve its hard not to feel rage against God, you know up there with his feet up on the sofa eating a bag of potato chips. Procrastinating tomorrow I suppose.
If you had a child who was suffering, wouldn't you do everything in your power to help that child? Are our problems out of God's power?, or maybe he just needs to pop an Ecstacy to feel a little more compassion.
Linkadge
Posted by denise1966 on September 12, 2005, at 12:13:45
In reply to anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?, posted by lynn970 on September 11, 2005, at 12:39:52
Hi,
I don't tend to get stressed by external factors I'm usually too depressed for that and know that they're not worth worrying about anyway, my depression worries me more than anything else now.
I wish I did worry about other things. I guess there always there in the back of my mind.
Like one of the other messengers, to me anxiety is a constant ongoing thing, part of my depression and is neither made worse or better by situational factors.
Sometimes when my anxiety is really bad it's slightly helpful when I've had to go to a meeting or something and just pretend for a while, you know have to act. But I usually rush out for a cigarette after the meeting, it never really goes away for good.
Denise
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 16:18:23
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?..Lynn, posted by spriggy on September 11, 2005, at 21:51:36
Thanks you guys. I called my gynacologist today. My estrogen levels are low. The doctor increased my estrogen dose and said that we will try that first.
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 16:31:10
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?..Lynn » spriggy, posted by linkadge on September 12, 2005, at 8:51:36
Linkage, you sound like a precious person. I know what you are saying, but I know that God is real and that He is a good God. We live in a fallen, sin filled world. A lot of times things that go wrong are not because of God, it is because we are governed by the spiritual and physical laws in which we live.
I have a chemical imbalance because my the genes which have been passed down to me have been mutated over the many years. (Great Grandparents)
This world is sinful. "We do not fight against flesh and blood, but againsnt powers, and principalities..." Many times God wants to help us, but He cant because of our lack of faith, or because we have broken some spititual law. I am NOT saying that bad things happen to good people because they did something wrong. I am saying that the more we Know God the more we can see just how good He is."My people perish for a lack of knowledge.'
My precious, sweet friend. I pray that you can come to a peace with God. I know that you have issues about sexual identity. I apologize for every "christian" who may have been mean or judgemental towards you because of that. God knows where you are. He loves you. Just be real with Him. He knows your heart.
He has done many miracles in my life and I am looking forward to the day when I nolonger fight this dreadful disease of mental illness. I have already come such a long way.
Your friend till the end,
Lynn(((Linkage))))
Sometimes I am afraid to say that I am a Christian because of some of the things people have done in the name of christianity.
Posted by linkadge on September 12, 2005, at 17:35:07
In reply to Re: precious Linkage, posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 16:31:10
I can see that you have a good heart.
Its not that I want to disagree, but I just don't see it. God is above all of the dynamics. He is above our sin. God can plays by his own rules. He makes the rules.
Why then, do Christians suppose that he is somehow restricted in his ability to help people?
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on September 12, 2005, at 17:35:08
In reply to Re: precious Linkage, posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 16:31:10
Lynn, that was a beautiful message to Link but I hate to sound so negative. It just seems that everytime I make strides to change my life and do something good something bad happens. That's kind of what's going on in my life now. And let me tell you my anxiety is sky high. And meds aren't helping. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 18:05:54
In reply to Re: precious Linkage » lynn970, posted by Phillipa on September 12, 2005, at 17:35:08
I dont have all the answers but I know the one who does.
There are answers that I would like Hime to tell me too.
My anxiety level is extremely high right now too.
I do know that all things work together for the good of all those who love and obey Him. It is not over with yet.
I remember when God did not let me have this certain house. My prayer went something like this, "God, you did not let me have my babies, (the 4 that I lost) and now you wont let me have the house, WHY?
Now, I have the most beautiful little girl, and a house that I love. ( I would have been very depressed at the other house - looking back at it now)
Some of the pregnancies that I had, I knew better than to try to get pregnant. I knew that my body wasn't ready. The first miscarraige, I know that there was going to be something severly wrong with the baby.
I have two daughters - ages 12 and 5. My baby girl is named Natalie. Her name means "To be born." I did not know that when I chose that name. I prayed about a name and that name just kept coming to me. Later, I will tell you guys more about that story. It was a miraculous thing.
I dont have all the answers, but I know that
God is a good god. He does look beyond our sin. He looks at what Jesus did on the cross and all he sees is that our sins were washed away; in the blood that Jesus shed.Link, Phillipa, its not over yet. I am sorry that we all go through horrible things but there is hope. "Eye has not seen and ear has not heard what He has prepared for those who love him."
Linkage, some things I do not understand. I will be the first to admit. I have a precious little boy in my class. (I love him so much) It is as if he is a girl trapped in a boy's body. My heart goes out to him because I know what kind of hell on earth he will have to go through to try to sort out who he is. I know that God judges the heart.
Lots of love,
Lynn
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 18:32:41
In reply to Re: anxiety- Does it sneak up on you?, posted by linkadge on September 11, 2005, at 13:36:09
How come sometimes I can not worry at all and other times I am just filled with worry about something that is just so irrational?
Posted by Phillipa on September 12, 2005, at 18:58:27
In reply to Re: ((Linkage))) (((Phillipa))), posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 18:05:54
Lynn how did you know part of my anxiety was trying to make a decision on a house in a city 6hours away vs Florida. We've been driving all summer looking for a job for my husband. I am so afraid all alone but I know he has to work. It's been suggested that i do volunteer work even though I have a current RN license. But the stress of that job helped to create the mess I'm in. So now how would you suggest we make that final decision and the one on the house. You are such a good person. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 19:09:27
In reply to Re: ((Linkage))) (((Phillipa))) » lynn970, posted by Phillipa on September 12, 2005, at 18:58:27
Phillipa, I had no idea that was part of your anxiety. I just prayed and asked God to show me what to write.
>So now how would you suggest we make that final decision and the one on the house. You are such a good person. Fondly, Phillipa
When we have a decision about a job to make I pray this way. "Lord, please open the doors that need to opened and close the doors that need to be closed." I pray that God would smooth out the path that He wants you to take. That you guys would buy the house that He wants you to have and that no one or nothing would stop that. I also pray that He will put you at the job that He wants you to be at. I pray this in the name of Jesus.
Thanks for saying such a sweet thing about me. I can tell that you are a good person too.
Lots of love,
Lynn
Posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 20:31:34
In reply to Re: ((Linkage))) (((Phillipa))), posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 18:05:54
I too have asked many times "why", knowing that i am not supposed to question God(through my teaching) but i remember being a little girl and things that happened are to horrid for me to even want to remember and i wld. pray and pray and somehow, i made it. i believe w/ all my heart and soul that God heard and watched out for me. i would rather believe in something in such a hard world and find some peace than to believe in nothing. Sorry for rambling (and this may end up on the Faith board) but i wanted to express that.
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 20:42:45
In reply to Re: ((Linkage))) (((Phillipa))), posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 20:31:34
Have you ever heard of Joyce Meyer? She was sexually abused when she was young. She experienced all types of emotional pain. She is now an awsome woman of faith. I listen to her all the time.
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 20:46:33
In reply to Re: ((Linkage))) (((Phillipa))), posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 20:31:34
Also, a lot of the bad things that happened to me as a child has made me very sensitive to my student's needs. It has helped me to love all people regardless of race, economic level, etc.
I dont know if that is why I went through it, but I know that God is not a God of waste. He uses everything for good. He can turn a bad situation and make it good. Sorry for rambling. I took some xanax for anxiety. I am a little "drunk." from the meds.
Posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 21:18:33
In reply to Re: Wildcard, posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 20:42:45
Posted by spriggy on September 12, 2005, at 21:24:06
In reply to She's my favorite!!! (nm) » lynn970, posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 21:18:33
Trust me, even as a Christian, I wish I had the answer to God's reason/rationale behind his allowance of such horrible suffering.
I don't understand it. I've had my share of it. I know most of the suffering God allowed in my life eventually produced some "good fruit." It wasn't something I could see, feel, or grasp at the time, but now looking back, I see how suffering birthed a new compassion for me, a deeper understanding of my need for God, and even understanding how unfair life is (despite that God is good).
I have a son that is severely autistic. He is 10 years old. I have to feed him, change him, bathe him. He is still in diapers. I prayed for many, many years over him and believed with all my soul that God had the ability to heal him. I never saw healing.
I had to figure out what to do with that. I knew God could (and still can) but understanding why He chose not to, was something very hard for me to come to grips with (still is some days).
Somewhere, in the midst of this pondering, questioning and pain, it's as if I came to this resolve in my heart that I likely will never know "why?" but could I still realize,believe, and have faith that God is still good??
And eventually, my answer was "yes." Despite all this pain, this suffering, this "unfairness".. God is still good.
There is no logic behind it. But suffering and God do seem to go hand in hand and yet I believe, the suffering we experience (no matter how difficult) still does not change the core of God and who He is.
He is good.
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 21:28:53
In reply to God and suffering... linkadge, posted by spriggy on September 12, 2005, at 21:24:06
My pastor had a son who was severly handicapped. My pastor has seen healing. He was paralyzed and God healed him. His son, however was never healed. I too know that God is good. His light penetrates the darkness in which we live. How dark would it be without Him?
Posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 21:29:19
In reply to God and suffering... linkadge, posted by spriggy on September 12, 2005, at 21:24:06
Posted by lynn970 on September 12, 2005, at 21:52:18
In reply to I truly admire u (nm) » spriggy, posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 21:29:19
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