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Posted by ed_uk on April 8, 2005, at 7:10:04
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight? » Vivi, posted by Maxime on April 7, 2005, at 21:29:36
Hi Maxime!
>Ambien isn't available in Canada. It was, but then they took it off the shelves.
I didn't know that. Why was it withdrawn?
Ed xxx
Posted by Maxime on April 8, 2005, at 10:49:13
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight? » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on April 8, 2005, at 7:10:04
Hi Ed-
On Feb 11th. I remember the exact date because I was to refill my prescription. That is why I had to go cold turkey. That is why I really fell apart after that and switched to dexedrine.
Children had strokes on it in the U.S. and there had been one fatality, again a child in the U.S. Canada is always the first to pull a med. It was the first to pull Serzone.
xxxxx
Maxi
> Hi Maxime!
>
> >Ambien isn't available in Canada. It was, but then they took it off the shelves.
>
> I didn't know that. Why was it withdrawn?
>
> Ed xxx
Posted by Maxime on April 8, 2005, at 10:52:17
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight? » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on April 8, 2005, at 7:10:04
Sorry Ed. I am so Adderall focused that I misread your post.
I don't know why they pulled it. It didn't some standard. It was called Starnox (sp?) here.
Maxi
> Hi Maxime!
>
> >Ambien isn't available in Canada. It was, but then they took it off the shelves.
>
> I didn't know that. Why was it withdrawn?
>
> Ed xxx
Posted by Paulbwell on April 8, 2005, at 22:32:24
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight? » Paulbwell, posted by Maxime on April 5, 2005, at 22:36:03
> > HAHA
> >
> > This is not 1956
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> > HEHE
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> Can you let us in on the joke?
>
> MaximeHi,
Sure,
Dex and other Amphetamines including Methylamphetamine (the most powerfull) were advertised and used extensively in 1950s-1960s for weight loss-purposes.
This has loooong since fallen out of Medical fashion
A Doc prescibing these, (for weight loss) except in EXTREME circumstances--
IS BREAKING THE LAW
Posted by Vivi on April 9, 2005, at 0:14:33
In reply to Maxime-Dex-The joke, posted by Paulbwell on April 8, 2005, at 22:32:24
Well the concern about the weight for me was because I do not need to lose any.
Posted by Vivi on April 9, 2005, at 0:18:10
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight?, posted by Paulbwell on April 5, 2005, at 21:13:58
I have read that in some cases M.D.'s do prescribe amphetamines for weight loss
Posted by Paulbwell on April 9, 2005, at 2:24:55
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight?, posted by Vivi on April 9, 2005, at 0:18:10
> I have read that in some cases M.D.'s do prescribe amphetamines for weight loss
Yes you are correct
Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine) tablets, (Ovation Pharmaceuticals) according to their website, is OFFICALLY indicated for two purposes ONLY,
-ADHD
-Weight loss, short-term, (few weeks) for Exogenous obesity.These are the only medical indications for the tablets.
They are rarely used
Posted by vivi on April 9, 2005, at 23:21:54
In reply to VIvi, posted by Paulbwell on April 9, 2005, at 2:24:55
Thanks for the information. Do you know if Adderall causes weight loss more so than dexedrine. My M.D. wants to talk about switching to the short acting Adderall. Any information is appreciated.
Posted by Interested on April 10, 2005, at 12:46:18
In reply to Re: For Interested, posted by Maxime on April 7, 2005, at 20:48:26
Thanks, Maxime. I've read it with interest. In fact, I asked my neurologist to prescribe Topamax 25 mg. I tried it last night, I was very nauseated and felt terrible. Have you taken Topamax? Did you get over the side effects with time?
Posted by paulbwell on April 10, 2005, at 17:13:33
In reply to Re: VIvi, posted by vivi on April 9, 2005, at 23:21:54
> Thanks for the information. Do you know if Adderall causes weight loss more so than dexedrine. My M.D. wants to talk about switching to the short acting Adderall. Any information is appreciated.
Hi,
I would pledge my bets on Adderall causing more weight loss, considering it was sold as a diet pill into the 1970s under the tradename (Obetrol)-get it?. This exact same pill (mixed L and D Amphetamine salts) when removed from the market, was reintroduced in 1996 and given the different name of Adderall to treat ADD-get it.
D Amphetamine is said to be ten x more nurologically active as l Amphetamine, its mirror image, which causes far more physical stimulation vs central.
Most people find Dex causes weight loss early in treatment which then ceases after several weeks.Is your MD treating you with Dex for weight issues?
Posted by vivi on April 10, 2005, at 17:39:56
In reply to Re: VIvi_Adderall weight loss, posted by paulbwell on April 10, 2005, at 17:13:33
> > Thanks for the information. Do you know if Adderall causes weight loss more so than dexedrine. My M.D. wants to talk about switching to the short acting Adderall. Any information is appreciated.
>
> Hi,
>
> I would pledge my bets on Adderall causing more weight loss, considering it was sold as a diet pill into the 1970s under the tradename (Obetrol)-get it?. This exact same pill (mixed L and D Amphetamine salts) when removed from the market, was reintroduced in 1996 and given the different name of Adderall to treat ADD-get it.
> D Amphetamine is said to be ten x more nurologically active as l Amphetamine, its mirror image, which causes far more physical stimulation vs central.
> Most people find Dex causes weight loss early in treatment which then ceases after several weeks.
>
> Is your MD treating you with Dex for weight issues?No,for ADD. I am worried about the weight loss because I have a high metabolism and do not need to lose any weight. I know I need to talk to my M.D. about these concerns. Do you know anything about Straterra? I am wondering if that might be better since it is a non-stimulant. The Dexedrine has been affecting my appetite somewhat, but not like I thought.
Thanks for any information,
Viv
Posted by paulbwell on April 10, 2005, at 19:32:14
In reply to Re: VIvi_Adderall weight loss, posted by vivi on April 10, 2005, at 17:39:56
> > > Thanks for the information. Do you know if Adderall causes weight loss more so than dexedrine. My M.D. wants to talk about switching to the short acting Adderall. Any information is appreciated.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would pledge my bets on Adderall causing more weight loss, considering it was sold as a diet pill into the 1970s under the tradename (Obetrol)-get it?. This exact same pill (mixed L and D Amphetamine salts) when removed from the market, was reintroduced in 1996 and given the different name of Adderall to treat ADD-get it.
> > D Amphetamine is said to be ten x more nurologically active as l Amphetamine, its mirror image, which causes far more physical stimulation vs central.
> > Most people find Dex causes weight loss early in treatment which then ceases after several weeks.
> >
> > Is your MD treating you with Dex for weight issues?
>
> No,for ADD. I am worried about the weight loss because I have a high metabolism and do not need to lose any weight. I know I need to talk to my M.D. about these concerns. Do you know anything about Straterra? I am wondering if that might be better since it is a non-stimulant. The Dexedrine has been affecting my appetite somewhat, but not like I thought.
> Thanks for any information,
> Viv
>
>
Hi,I would avoid Adderall in your case then. I take Ritalin and wonder if you have? It often MAKES me hungry. It causes little little physical stimulation if the dose is kept low, and may be worth trying, althought the IR is SHORT acting, and requires frequent dosing.
Posted by stresser on April 10, 2005, at 20:16:38
In reply to Re: VIvi_Adderall weight loss, posted by vivi on April 10, 2005, at 17:39:56
Hi, I recently started taking Strattera, and from what I have noticed I have not had a decrease in appetite. I like that way it helps me contentrate, and stay in the moment. (so to speak) I do think it may be a little to sedating for me, because I feel as if I have no energy to do the physical things I do on a daily basis. I am very dehydrated and have a weak feeling. I have a follow-up appt. Tues. with my doctor and I don't know what she will tell me to do. I may not get anything else, because I know she doesn't like to give stimulants. I really don't think I can continue the Strattera, even though it's great mentally. -L
Posted by notfeelingthebest on April 11, 2005, at 2:54:38
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight? » Interested, posted by Maxime on April 6, 2005, at 21:05:33
In my opinion, speed in general is a nasty drug. I take dexedrine myself sparingly to help me study. I dont know you so I dont know how responsible you are with meds. Yes, alot of people will lose weight while taking them as they supress your appetite for a very long time. In fact, its difficult to eat while youre peaking.
Nonetheless i thinks its risky. You might be happy with the weight loss (and the buzz), but you can very easily get a little carried away, stay awake too long, and slip into a really rotten state.
Your eyes turn into cheerios, and you start thinking way too much about everything and anything. You can really feel the paranoid thoughts coming on and its not pleasant. For as long as you stay awake, you have to sleep for the same amount of time. It really is unhealthy crap. Besides, if youre like most people, the weight will come back in a flash.
Posted by Paulbwell on April 11, 2005, at 9:27:24
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight?, posted by notfeelingthebest on April 11, 2005, at 2:54:38
> In my opinion, speed in general is a nasty drug. I take dexedrine myself sparingly to help me study. I dont know you so I dont know how responsible you are with meds. Yes, alot of people will lose weight while taking them as they supress your appetite for a very long time. In fact, its difficult to eat while youre peaking.
>
> Nonetheless i thinks its risky. You might be happy with the weight loss (and the buzz), but you can very easily get a little carried away, stay awake too long, and slip into a really rotten state.
>
> Your eyes turn into cheerios, and you start thinking way too much about everything and anything. You can really feel the paranoid thoughts coming on and its not pleasant. For as long as you stay awake, you have to sleep for the same amount of time. It really is unhealthy crap. Besides, if youre like most people, the weight will come back in a flash.The dose is too high then,
Thats why amphets are no more used for weight loss, cause the weight loss stops and oftens comes back, with added in tow
Posted by vivi on April 11, 2005, at 17:08:23
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight?, posted by Paulbwell on April 11, 2005, at 9:27:24
> > In my opinion, speed in general is a nasty drug. I take dexedrine myself sparingly to help me study. I dont know you so I dont know how responsible you are with meds. Yes, alot of people will lose weight while taking them as they supress your appetite for a very long time. In fact, its difficult to eat while youre peaking.
> >
> > Nonetheless i thinks its risky. You might be happy with the weight loss (and the buzz), but you can very easily get a little carried away, stay awake too long, and slip into a really rotten state.
> >
> > Your eyes turn into cheerios, and you start thinking way too much about everything and anything. You can really feel the paranoid thoughts coming on and its not pleasant. For as long as you stay awake, you have to sleep for the same amount of time. It really is unhealthy crap. Besides, if youre like most people, the weight will come back in a flash.
>
> The dose is too high then,
>
> Thats why amphets are no more used for weight loss, cause the weight loss stops and oftens comes back, with added in towWell, I am responsible with my meds thats why I am trying to find out all the information I can. No, I am not tryingt o lose weight, I am concerned about losing weight because I am pretty thin. How long do people usually stay on ADD medication?
Any information is greatly appreciated.
Viv
Posted by notfeelingthebest on April 11, 2005, at 23:16:51
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight?, posted by vivi on April 11, 2005, at 17:08:23
i have the same problem. I just make sure that i eat lots of food. If youre planning on using it daily, then i don't know what to say. In my case i would disintegrate. its great for studying but horrific for your body.
Posted by DumbFox on April 14, 2005, at 13:35:08
In reply to Re: Dexedrine to lose weight?, posted by notfeelingthebest on April 11, 2005, at 23:16:51
I have ADHD as well. Currently I'm only on Wellbutrin, which is not working. It's making me extremely fatigued. I would like to try a stimulant, but I don't know if my doctor will do that.
I did want to say that if you are really concerned about the weight loss that Ensure is a good way to go. I know of several parents who do this with their ADHD children to prevent weight loss. These kids eat their regular meals but the parents give the a couple of Ensures everyday. Just an idea.
Good luck with your appt!
Posted by notfeelingthebest on April 14, 2005, at 15:18:01
In reply to Re: VIVI, posted by DumbFox on April 14, 2005, at 13:35:08
I don't want to go too off-topic, but do you guys actually feel that you suffer from an affliction called "ADHD" or do just find that you have difficulty living according according to established schedules. I personally feel that, however it is my brain is wired, causes me to have off days and on days. So much so that I seem to lag behind "the group" - always. It just seems that certain norms confuse me.
The reason i ask is: when you say "I have ADHD," are you just using a common term to skip the redundant explanation or do you believe that you suffer from this "disorder" because your doctor has told you so? If its the latter, I don't think amphetamines are going to "cure" you. I just think its a crude but effective way of making your life less difficult - like booze for social phobia; a hell of alot more effective than paxil.
Your post is kind of a bummer because I was considering trying wellbutrin or one of those funny new drugs because amphetamines are becoming harder to get. Are you taking a high dose? I've heard some positive feedback, but only at really high doses.
If you are taking amphetamines to study, I've found this to be effective: remove all the distractions that you can (TV, noise, magazines, people) from your environment. Then put your work and front of you and SHAZAAM. You can pretty much focus on anything you want, but you can also get sidetracked and start focusing on other stuff for a long time. So, get rid of the distractions.
Anyway, bottom line on weight loss: it depends on your body and how you react. If you require larger doses, theres probably a greater chance of losing weight. And its more than just weightloss. All the extra brain-power really drains your whole system, so you really have to eat healthy; replenish everything. I dunno, maybe even take weight gainer.
Sorry for the long post, I know theyre boring to read. Blame it on speed.
Posted by DumbFox on April 14, 2005, at 19:16:00
In reply to Re: VIVI, posted by notfeelingthebest on April 14, 2005, at 15:18:01
"I don't want to go too off-topic, but do you guys actually feel that you suffer from an affliction called "ADHD" or do just find that you have difficulty living according according to established schedules."
I'm assuming you meant this as a question. I do feel, no make that know, I have ADHD. It is not cop-out for being stupid or lazy. If that was the case I would have self-diagnosed myself years ago.
"The reason i ask is: when you say "I have ADHD," are you just using a common term to skip the redundant explanation or do you believe that you suffer from this "disorder" because your doctor has told you so? If its the latter, I don't think amphetamines are going to "cure" you. I just think its a crude but effective way of making your life less difficult - like booze for social phobia; a hell of alot more effective than paxil."
I find your first statement really offensive. I'm not sure where you have come to the conclusion that I have been somehow swindled into thinking I have ADHD and that there is nothing wrong besides your so called "lagging behind the group". My answer is no, I didn't need a doctor to tell me something I have suspected for over 15 years. Nor have I ever thought that amphetamines would be a "cure" for my ADHD. I would like to trial it out and see if it improves any of my symptoms. I was quite hopeful that the Wellbutrin would do the trick and am very disappointed that it has not.
"Your post is kind of a bummer because I was considering trying wellbutrin or one of those funny new drugs because amphetamines are becoming harder to get. Are you taking a high dose? I've heard some positive feedback, but only at really high doses."
Gee, I was thinking the same thing about your post...what a bummer. I am taking 300mg a day. I too have heard positive feedback, but not only at high doses. I know one woman who has had amazing results with 75mg a day. Everyone is different, what works for one, may not work for another. Keep an open mind.
"If you are taking amphetamines to study, I've found this to be effective: remove all the distractions that you can (TV, noise, magazines, people) from your environment. Then put your work and front of you and SHAZAAM. You can pretty much focus on anything you want, but you can also get sidetracked and start focusing on other stuff for a long time. So, get rid of the distractions."
My gawd! You are ingenius! Remove the distractions! Why didn't I think of that? And by the way - I'm not a college student, those days are long past me.
Posted by DumbFox on April 14, 2005, at 19:17:34
In reply to Re: VIVI, posted by DumbFox on April 14, 2005, at 19:16:00
Oh and I just happen to notice your previous posts. It sounds like you may have a drug problem, I urge you to find help.
Posted by notfeelingthebest on April 14, 2005, at 20:12:27
In reply to Re: VIVI, posted by DumbFox on April 14, 2005, at 19:17:34
Well I guess there's not too much I can say in response. If you re-read my post, you might see that I pretty much agree with most of the stuff you have to say. Im sure youre aware that the drug world is complicated, and I was just asking you direct questions about your post. All the statements you quoted weren't actually meant to insinuate anything about you. I was just asking if your experiences were similar to mine, etc. (the point of this forum)and ...
its pointless to explain. Suggesting that all of the various titles that come in and out of fashion are a little too neat and tidy - and hastily accepted as fact - is hardly an uncommon point of view. I'd apologize, but I haven't been anything other than civil. Its not like I accused you of having a drug problem or anything.
I guess in a forum like this I'm bound to find stressed out people that are argumentative and quick to take offence so... does it really make you feel any better directing all that negativity at strangers? Good luck with your meds.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2005, at 8:40:43
In reply to Re: VIVI, posted by notfeelingthebest on April 14, 2005, at 20:12:27
> I find your first statement really offensive.
>
> DumbFox> I guess in a forum like this I'm bound to find stressed out people that are argumentative and quick to take offence
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> notfeelingthebestSorry to interrupt, but please post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by vivi on April 16, 2005, at 12:23:39
In reply to Re: VIVI, posted by notfeelingthebest on April 14, 2005, at 20:12:27
> Well I guess there's not too much I can say in response. If you re-read my post, you might see that I pretty much agree with most of the stuff you have to say. Im sure youre aware that the drug world is complicated, and I was just asking you direct questions about your post. All the statements you quoted weren't actually meant to insinuate anything about you. I was just asking if your experiences were similar to mine, etc. (the point of this forum)and ...
>
> its pointless to explain. Suggesting that all of the various titles that come in and out of fashion are a little too neat and tidy - and hastily accepted as fact - is hardly an uncommon point of view. I'd apologize, but I haven't been anything other than civil. Its not like I accused you of having a drug problem or anything.
>
> I guess in a forum like this I'm bound to find stressed out people that are argumentative and quick to take offence so... does it really make you feel any better directing all that negativity at strangers? Good luck with your meds.Thank-you dumbfox for your support. As for the other posts, some people are abviously unhappy with themselves. I have a hard time focusing and ADD medication is helping me therefore, I am living a happier life.
Posted by notfeelingthebest on April 16, 2005, at 16:08:04
In reply to Re: VIVI, posted by vivi on April 16, 2005, at 12:23:39
That was my point. I have a "hard time focusing" and ADD medication comes close to solving the problem. I personally just don't like the terms these conditions are given. Attention Defecit Disorder makes perfect sense, I just think its unhelpful viewing it as a clear-cut problem. I think that my troubles with concentration are just one manifestation of a wider mental and physical state that makes it difficult to navigate life's normal channels. I find that if you break it down into just "normal me + ADD," you're kind of breaking the link with it and other problems you may have that may be related. I don't see why that should cause offence to anyone.
I find that with alot of DR.'s, unless you express a complete belief in ADD as a pure disorder, they are hesitant or unwilling to prescribe you helpful medication. They need a reason with a title and a set symptoms to justify the prescription, and you end up in the position where you feel like youre not being completely honest with your Dr. I think in 10 or 20 years from now, ADD will be referred to as "what was formally known as ADD." Preferrably ten.
I'd like to see physchiatry become less based on theory, or at least see the theories become more elaborate. I don't know if I could take yet another diagram of the old synapse/synapse junction with all the seretonin and gaba bubbles being sent and recieved.
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