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Posted by maxime on March 24, 2005, at 22:52:06
I am weeping now. Actually weeping.
I re-started the Parnate. I used to take 80 mg a day. Now for some reason my body won't tolerate it. I get wicked headaches, my neck hurts and I am grinding my teeth.
How can this be? I never had side effects from it before?
What is going on? i don't understand. I am so scared.
Maxime
I am taking 30 mg a day.
Posted by Phillipa on March 25, 2005, at 0:13:52
In reply to What is going on?, posted by maxime on March 24, 2005, at 22:52:06
Maxime, I just don't know. But I care. I'm not qualified to answer this question. If I were with you I would let you curl up beside me and try to offer some safety and support. I'm sorry your friend lives so far away, and It sounds like she is not a person you need to be around right now. Maybe the Babblers in the UK will start to Babble soon and you can get an answer from someone like Ed on the Parnate. I'm so sorry it's not working for you. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by mike13 on March 25, 2005, at 2:10:51
In reply to What is going on?, posted by maxime on March 24, 2005, at 22:52:06
if your just starting a medicine and don't start at a small enough dose, side effects may ensue, it's kind of like reverse withdrawal, that's why when you start meds they have you start at a small amount and then you increase gradually.. i dunno if that's the case just a guess..
Posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 25, 2005, at 6:41:25
In reply to Re: What is going on?, posted by mike13 on March 25, 2005, at 2:10:51
Have you just switched form other medicines?! For my SA I once was taking couple of medicinces together. I felt actually much better when I discontinued all. But I was not depressed at the time. I sense you have a harsh period now, so I can't really say what is right to do. But one possibility is that if your body has been exposed to many medicines over long period it might be thtat your brain is just worn out. Can't you start with less Parnate?
I live over the continent and my heart is with you, if you where here I would have suggested seeing a psychology student at faculty. They cost you nothing plus that we have much more capacity to express understanding to the patients we see, clearly much more than a one 30 years in the field!! and possibly closer to your age?!
I think sleeping is important. Get some 7 hours sleep. Take an aid. Possible to exercise?
I been depressed really bad once. What I learned and got confirmation for at school is just gather together all the little forces you have now and just DO the things you feel you have no energy for, or see very darkly about but rationally you know they might help.
The little things can do great things, believe me. With my SA which involve isolation I feel that short interactions can do much for my general feeling and well being.
I was very impressed with your post the other day. You expressed your free will at its highest. Hold on there, because I know for many of the patients I will see they will have big difficulty in that one. Personally i thinks it's the strongest healer. In fact it was free will that saved William James (The father of American Psychology) from the downs of his depression at a time when no antidepressant existed. He became such a huge inspiration after that that many psychologists would rate him as number 1 all time psychologist (at least historically). The best psychologist is one who already suffered, I think.
Take care and wish you all good.
Ted.
Posted by greg diamond on March 25, 2005, at 6:44:57
In reply to What is going on?, posted by maxime on March 24, 2005, at 22:52:06
Hey Maxime - sorry to hear that the ParnATE is causing such crazy side effects. i just googled it and was rather surprised. it's a medication as last resort for depression (this is news to me) and it has a shitload of side effects, including the ones you mentioned. (it doesn't say specifically headache or teeth grinding, but those are offshoots of the increase in blood pressure, i think). i am glad you are trying a med anyway. we've got to get you out there, writing and thinking. whatever it takes. be strong!
best wishes
Craig.
Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 8:23:47
In reply to What is going on?, posted by maxime on March 24, 2005, at 22:52:06
Are you using trazodone for sleep?
What else are you taking?
You might not have anything to worry about.
Where do you feel the headache?
Had you completely discontinued Parnate? How long were you off of it?
Did you restart Parnate at 30mg?
Try to relax.
I didn't check, but did you read what I had to say about anxiety in another thread?
- Scott
Posted by Wildman on March 25, 2005, at 8:40:22
In reply to What is going on?, posted by maxime on March 24, 2005, at 22:52:06
Maxime (I love your name!)
I am so sorry that you are having such a rough time of it. I read your posts regularly and can empathize with your pain. I see a spark of life in vitality in your words that tells me despite the pain you are enduring, it has not beaten your spirit down. You are strong even if you don't believe it!! I see it, others around here see it and we value you tremendously.
I wish you all the best. Be strong, there are many who care for you even though we have never met.
Wildman
Posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 10:03:27
In reply to Re: What is going on?, posted by mike13 on March 25, 2005, at 2:10:51
A response to all the responses because I can't respond individually.
I started at 10 mg. Felt the side effects on that. This didn't happen the first time I was on it. I never felt side effects until I reached 110 mg. Then I brought it down again.I am not taking it today.
The headache is in my temples and at the "top" of head. It feels like it is being squeezed. Like something is going to burst in head. My vision then becomes blurry. The is also a pain at the base of my neck ... maybe that is tension. I was grinding the right side of my mouth.
I was on this stuff for over two years with no side effects. Then it poops out.
I have been taking 25 mg of Desipramine at night.
I also take 4 mg of Clonazapam and 450 mg of Trileptal as my mood stabilisers.The headache scares me because in 2003 I took over 5000 mg of Parnate as an OD. It might have been closer to 6500 mg. I thought my head was going to explode. The rest of details I will leave out.
Exercise? Getting out of bed is an Olympic event for me.
If I had a gun I would kill myself. I would.
I don't suffer from anxiety. Never have. I'm BP type 2.
I'm going to bed. Maybe I will post tomorrow.
Thanks for all your kindness and support.
Maxime
PS I haven't lost any weight and that pisses me off to no end. I am a fat cow. I wish I could go back to weighing 70 pounds again. Although even then I felt fat.
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 10:42:09
In reply to Re: What is going on?, posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 10:03:27
> I have been taking 25 mg of Desipramine at night.
You are taking that with the Parnate?
That may well be the problem, right there. Your symptoms seem to be due to serotonin syndrome, although not serious in an absolute sense.
You can't take desipramine with Parnate.
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/tranylcypromine_od.htmIt is specifically listed as forbidden.
Lar
Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 12:09:00
In reply to Re: What is going on? » Maxime, posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 10:42:09
> > I have been taking 25 mg of Desipramine at night.
>
> You are taking that with the Parnate?
>
> That may well be the problem, right there. Your symptoms seem to be due to serotonin syndrome, although not serious in an absolute sense.
>
> You can't take desipramine with Parnate.
> http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/tranylcypromine_od.htm
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> It is specifically listed as forbidden.
>
> Lar
Serotonin syndrome was my first inclination. That's why I asked about whether or not trazodone was being used as a sleep aid.You can mix Parnate + desipramine without sequalae. I've done it. Desipramine is a very selective if not specific NE reuptake inhibitor and should be devoid of 5-HT potentiation. I am not aware of any other properties of desipramine that would make it theoretically dangerous.
The only thing that ever got me well was a combination of Parnate 60mg + desipramine 150mg. I am currently taking Parnate 80mg + nortriptyline 100mg. I had once taken Parnate 150mg + desipramine 300mg. I am not so unusual in my tolerance of this combination. It is safe.
- Scott
Posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 12:09:55
In reply to Re: What is going on? » Maxime, posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 10:42:09
Sometimes benzo's seem to give me headaches, maybe the combo is causing it in you.
You are BP 2 and you don't have any anxiety. See, my doctor just told me that I am bp 2 and he stated the reason for that diagnosis was BECAUSE I had mostly anxiety over depression.
I'm beginning to think my doctor is clueless.
I hope you feel better today maxime!! Maybe try a little caffeine to see if that helps the headache.
(((HUGS)))
Posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 12:18:10
In reply to Re: What is going on? » Maxime, posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 10:42:09
Hi Larry,I am not saying it's not causing the problem, but it can and has been done(see below). I was taking Surmontil for a while with Parnate no problem. Others on the board have as well.
My reaction seemed to be more hypertensive than "serotonin syndrome" in nature.
I think I am dying. That's what it feels like. Or maybe it is because my desire to die is so strong that I feel this way.
I've been crying for two hours straight. I can't stop. I'm trying to keep away from my "sharps".
My doctor is useless.
M.
J Clin Psychiatry. 1985 Jun;46(6):206-9.
Combined MAOI, TCA, and direct stimulant therapy of treatment-resistant depression.
Feighner JP, Herbstein J, Damlouji N.
Patients with "treatment resistant" depression who do not respond to standard methods or relapse over time have a moral and legitimate right to innovative
therapy. Combined treatment with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs), tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs), and stimulants has been resisted by practitioners because of hypertensive and hyperthermic crises noted in certain cases. This paper reports a case series demonstrating the safety and efficacy of adding a stimulant to an MAOI or to a combination of TCA and MAOI in the treatment of intractable depression.PMID: 3997787 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> > I have been taking 25 mg of Desipramine at night.
>
> You are taking that with the Parnate?
>
> That may well be the problem, right there. Your symptoms seem to be due to serotonin syndrome, although not serious in an absolute sense.
>
> You can't take desipramine with Parnate.
> http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/tranylcypromine_od.htm
>
> It is specifically listed as forbidden.
>
> Lar
Posted by zeugma on March 25, 2005, at 12:30:22
In reply to Re: What is going on? » Larry Hoover, posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 12:18:10
Maxime,
if the problem is hypertensive then maybe the desipramine is causing the problem.
Do you have a blood pressure cuff on hand?
On the other hand, the desipramine might be intensifying your emotional reactions. Others (including myself) have experienced increased crying, etc. as part of the effect, which in the long run may be therapeutic, but certainly not for everyone.
Surmontil would be less likely to cause this because it's very sedating.
-z
Posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 13:11:54
In reply to Re: What is going on?, posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 12:09:55
FOR SPIGGY- (this is from http://www.psycheducation.org/depression/02_diagnosis.html#Anchor-Anxious-39198
If you go to web site you can click of on some of the links inside the article for more information.My hypomania manifests as racing thoughs and a lot irritability. But I don't feel anxious. My racing thoughts are just ideas, ideas, idea and more ideas. Ideas for books, business plans, Phd dissertations, more book ideas, plans to save the world etc. I once had so many ideas I started writing them on the wall. Luckily I used a pencil. I then take on too many projects (volunteer especially).
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Anxious depression could be "bipolar"?!Warning: leaving DSM-IV territory
The remainder of this "diagnosis" discussion cannot be found in the DSM. I will repeatedly reference mood disorder experts, but many of these views are controversial. You must evaluate for yourself the validity of what follows.
Unfortunately, "hypomania" is quite a mis-naming. There are many patients whose "hypomanic" phases are an extreme and very negative experience. As noted above by Dr. Jamison, mania can be negative as often as it is positive. The "racing thoughts" can have a very negative focus, especially self-criticism. The high energy can be experienced as a severe agitation, to the point where people feel they must pace the floor for hours at a time. Sleep problems can show up as insomnia: an inability to sleep, rather than decreased need. (If you or a friend or doctor is skeptical about anxiety as a "bipolar" symptom, try that link for more details and references.)
In my experience most of these people come to treatment with a combination of agitation, anxiety and self-criticism — and they can’t sleep well. Is this "anxiety?" Is this some mood variation? How could you tell the difference? Is there a difference? What is really going on chemically? Unfortunately, this is still almost completely unknown. See the appendix "What’s the latest on why?", which I will try to keep updated frequently, for the latest research about the cause of this illness.
Again, my opinion: you can’t easily distinguish "anxious depression" from bipolar II in a mixed state. I doubt that there is a distinction to be made, ultimately (when we know, hopefully someday relatively soon, what the chemical basis for anxiety with depression really is). For example there is nearly complete overlap between Generalized Anxiety Disorder and Bipolar II.
For now, the only way to tell is by how treatment turns out. Depression that is not bipolar can get better and stay better: with time, or counseling, or formal psychotherapy, or antidepressants. If you get better — great! If you don’t, you may need this new understanding of mood disorders in order to consider mood stabilizers medications, discussed in detail below, as an option.
Meanwhile, at least one experienced mood researcher warns that anxiety in someone who is depressed is associated with a high suicide risk.Fawcett(b) So although there is diagnostic confusion, there are tremendous stakes involved. Approaching this situation with an open mind seems wise, given this risk.
> Sometimes benzo's seem to give me headaches, maybe the combo is causing it in you.
>
> You are BP 2 and you don't have any anxiety. See, my doctor just told me that I am bp 2 and he stated the reason for that diagnosis was BECAUSE I had mostly anxiety over depression.
>
> I'm beginning to think my doctor is clueless.
>
> I hope you feel better today maxime!! Maybe try a little caffeine to see if that helps the headache.
>
> (((HUGS)))
Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 13:13:54
In reply to Re: What is going on? » Larry Hoover, posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 12:18:10
Hi.
I wouldn't recommend using imipramine in combination with an MAOI. It is serotinergic and can produce a mild to moderate SS, especially if combined with Nardil.
- Scott
> I am not saying it's not causing the problem, but it can and has been done(see below). I was taking Surmontil for a while with Parnate no problem. Others on the board have as well.
>
> My reaction seemed to be more hypertensive than "serotonin syndrome" in nature.
>
> I think I am dying. That's what it feels like. Or maybe it is because my desire to die is so strong that I feel this way.
>
> I've been crying for two hours straight. I can't stop. I'm trying to keep away from my "sharps".
>
> My doctor is useless.
>
> M.
>
>
>
> J Clin Psychiatry. 1985 Jun;46(6):206-9.
>
> Combined MAOI, TCA, and direct stimulant therapy of treatment-resistant depression.
>
> Feighner JP, Herbstein J, Damlouji N.
>
> Patients with "treatment resistant" depression who do not respond to standard methods or relapse over time have a moral and legitimate right to innovative
> therapy. Combined treatment with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs), tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs), and stimulants has been resisted by practitioners because of hypertensive and hyperthermic crises noted in certain cases. This paper reports a case series demonstrating the safety and efficacy of adding a stimulant to an MAOI or to a combination of TCA and MAOI in the treatment of intractable depression.
>
> PMID: 3997787 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>
>
> > > I have been taking 25 mg of Desipramine at night.
> >
> > You are taking that with the Parnate?
> >
> > That may well be the problem, right there. Your symptoms seem to be due to serotonin syndrome, although not serious in an absolute sense.
> >
> > You can't take desipramine with Parnate.
> > http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/tranylcypromine_od.htm
> >
> > It is specifically listed as forbidden.
> >
> > Lar
>
>
Posted by ed_uk on March 25, 2005, at 13:29:37
In reply to Re: What is going on? » Spriggy, posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 13:11:54
Hello,
>Unfortunately, "hypomania" is quite a mis-naming. There are many patients whose "hypomanic" phases are an extreme and very negative experience. As noted above by Dr. Jamison, mania can be negative as often as it is positive. The "racing thoughts" can have a very negative focus, especially self-criticism. The high energy can be experienced as a severe agitation, to the point where people feel they must pace the floor for hours at a time. Sleep problems can show up as insomnia: an inability to sleep, rather than decreased need.
'Racing thoughts' seem to be useful as an indicator of bipolar disorder. Racing thoughts (LOTS of thoughts/many different ideas) need to be distinguished from OCD w/o compulsions (the same thought a million time a day) and from anxious ruminations. Also, the disorganisation of ADD (doing lots of things at once but not very well) may sometimes appear similar.
Ed.
PS. Sorry about the bad descriptions- I'm hungry, need to eat!
Posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 17:21:16
In reply to Re: Racing thoughts, posted by ed_uk on March 25, 2005, at 13:29:37
Well, as much as I HATE to admit it, that link sounded like they had written about me.
My anxiety is a very horrific internal restlessness that makes me feel like I'm going to explode on the inside. It's like my insides are doing jumping jacks..
I cycle from that horrible phase of anxiety to depression to feeling kind of normal and this seems to be happening more and more and more often.
The problem at this point is that they are thinking I have diabetes (yet they still haven't figured out WHICH kind) and that I might have a hyperthyroid thing going on to. So not only am I dealnig with this horrible on going anxiety, but also some annoying physical symptoms from who knows what just yet;diabetes or thyroid??
Hopefully this Lamictal will help me becuase today has been a very,very,very hard day. I woke up feeling normal and within 2 hours felt that overwhelming depression again, and now I sit here shaking ALL over with that horrible restless anxiety that makes me want to jumpt out of a window.
I am to the point that I am tempted to tell my doctor, " Figure out WHAT is wrong with me or stick me in the hospital so someone else can."
I need to pray harder and see if God can settle me down. I haven't given Him a chance today.
Posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 17:31:53
In reply to Re: Racing thoughts, posted by ed_uk on March 25, 2005, at 13:29:37
Okay, I am not entirely comfortable posting this, but I am hoping you won't think I am complete idiot.
I am wondering if I am having reactions to the Parnate because of what is inside me. I am going to see my GP on April 6th because I think I suffer from Candida overgrowth - if you don't know what it is go to http://www.candida-society.org/ncs/whatiscandida.htm
I have the symptoms. I wasn't even thinking of candida when I made the appointment with my doctor. It is just that I have had a constant yeast infection which is driving me nuts. Then today I remembered about the "The Yeast Connection" and I did some reading (not much because I am too tired). But I seem to fit the profile, plus it might fit with my thyroid problem.
So if I candida yeast flourishing in my body, would that be "containdicated" with MAOI. I know it sounds ridiculous but since yeast and MAOI don't mix, then maybe my body is the cause for the hypertensive experiences.
So that is my theory. Please let me know what you think. Please do not place the dunce cap on my head. I already feel like a worthless sh*t who is losing her mind.
Maxime
Okay I am going to hit submit post now ...
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 17:34:42
In reply to Thanks Maxime, posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 17:21:16
> Well, as much as I HATE to admit it, that link sounded like they had written about me.
>
> My anxiety is a very horrific internal restlessness that makes me feel like I'm going to explode on the inside. It's like my insides are doing jumping jacks..I strongly suggest that you get some taurine. It's an amino acid, and a neurotransmitter in your brain. There are dedicated reuptake pumps for taurine in every synapse. It works very much like GABA, the neurotransmitter whose receptor is agonized by benzodiazepines. If you play loosy-goosy with chemical terminology taurine is gamma-amino (prop) sulphonic acid, whereas GABA is gamma-amino butyric acid. It's the same structure, but with a sulphonic acid group in place of the carboxylic acid one.
The neat thing about taurine is that it crosses the blood/brain barrier readily. It's also really inexpensive. I bought 300 grams for about $10. It works in minutes, dissolves in water nicely, tastes sort of sweet.....
Available at places where body builders get their supplies, or the bigger supplement stores.
2000 mg (half a teaspoon) does wonders for me.
Lar
Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 18:09:46
In reply to Dumbest most embarrassing post ever, posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 17:31:53
> Okay, I am not entirely comfortable posting this, but I am hoping you won't think I am complete idiot.
Please see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050322/msgs/475578.html
That's a very interesting idea, and even if it is wrong, demonstrates exceptional and creative logical thinking. You get an A+. It might be right for all I know.The mechanisms behind Parnate induced hypertensive events is not entirely understood. Having said that, the tyramine reaction is to a great degree dependant upon the inactivation of the MAO enzyme in the gut and the digestive process.
- Scott
Posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 18:11:32
In reply to Re: Thanks Larry » miracles, posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 18:00:24
maxime,
I'm no doctor but your theory makes sense to me! I've even wondered if I have a candida thing going on as well. I have had a yeast infection virtually non stop since before Thanksgiving. I can take the otc creams, then everytime I have a "monthly cycle" it comes back the day after my cycle stops.
What is up with that?My dh thinks there is a conspiracy against us being intimate anymore. ROFL
NOW.. LARRY, thanks a lot for that info. What neurotransmitter will taurine effect? Or is it a neurotransmitter itself? The reason I ask is becuase my doctor suggested to me that I never take anything that directly effects seratonin or norepiphrine.
I wig out very easily when things enter my brain. I mean, very, very easily. I have a super sensitive central nervous system.
Everyone swore Valerian root would help my anxiety-- yeah, well I took it and did not sleep until 5 am. becuase it made me shake so badly.
I tend to have the opposite effect at times with drugs; codeine makes me have energy, some benzos make me wired, etc..
I will try it but wondered if I should start out on an even lower dose because of my reactions to other things??
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 18:30:18
In reply to Maxime and larry, posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 18:11:32
> NOW.. LARRY, thanks a lot for that info. What neurotransmitter will taurine effect? Or is it a neurotransmitter itself? The reason I ask is becuase my doctor suggested to me that I never take anything that directly effects seratonin or norepiphrine.If you take the neurotranmsitter definition, and break it up into categories, the Big Three powerful ones are dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. But there are all kinds of other ones, too. Another category of neurotranmsitters is the neuromodulators. They "adjust" the effect of the Big Three. Examples of the neuromodulator category are GABA, glutamate, and taurine. I don't know why taurine gets ignored, but dedicated taurine reuptake mechanisms have been identified, and it is found mixed in with the Big Three in the storage vesicles that are ready to be fired when a neuron goes off.
> I wig out very easily when things enter my brain. I mean, very, very easily. I have a super sensitive central nervous system.
Maybe literally because of a taurine deficiency. What it does is slow down the firing rate of the brain. It's one of the natural tranquilizers.
I'm being a little bit specious about this. Who knows why you're sensitive, but taurine could help.
> Everyone swore Valerian root would help my anxiety-- yeah, well I took it and did not sleep until 5 am. becuase it made me shake so badly.Me too. It's called a paradoxical reaction.
> I tend to have the opposite effect at times with drugs; codeine makes me have energy, some benzos make me wired, etc..Ya, those sedating antihistamines give me a buzz....
> I will try it but wondered if I should start out on an even lower dose because of my reactions to other things??There is nothing wrong with being prudent.
I have an intense reaction to MSG. You know, what they call "Chinese food syndrome". I was out last summer, and had a big feed of take-out Chinese. Didn't even think about the MSG. It hit me hard. I was all flushed, felt nauseous, sweaty. Then I thought of taurine. It directly inhibits glutamate. I took half a teaspoon in water, and in maybe two minutes, I was totally OK. Bingo!
Lar
Posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 19:32:12
In reply to Re: Maxime and larry » Spriggy, posted by Larry Hoover on March 25, 2005, at 18:30:18
First of all Larry, I will try the taurine after our vacation ( we leave for Disneyland on Monday).
AND about MSG- I was watching a Christian tv program the other day that had a doctor on (don't dismiss me right away because I watch Christian tv, LOL), anyway, this dr. specifically mentioned that things like MSG and Aspartame literally he said, " Kill your brain cells."
He said MSG is poison. I had never heard that before but I knew whenever I have eaten anything with MSG, I got horrible headaches and felt very sick to my stomach.
Maybe that explains it.
Anyway, I found it interesting because I also get horrible headaches when I eat or drink anything with Aspartame.
Any thoughts on if he's right? I hope so because I ordered his book. LOL
BUt hey Larry, if you ever decide to put out your own book, I'd buy it too. LOL
Posted by Phillipa on March 25, 2005, at 21:06:27
In reply to Larry- MSG, posted by Spriggy on March 25, 2005, at 19:32:12
Me too! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on March 25, 2005, at 22:55:58
In reply to Re: Dumbest most embarrassing post ever » Maxime, posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 18:09:46
Thanks Scott. ;)
Not many doctor's buy into the "yeast connection" so I don't know if she will do the necessary test for candida. Although I forgot to mention that I also have "tinea versicolour" a topical skin fugus that shows up as dark patches. I have it on my chest, and on the small of my back. She told me about a cream/wash I could use to make it go away but she said it would come back ... and it did.
I wish I could get my endocrinologist, my psychiatrist and my GP together because my problems are connected and some dialogue between the people treating me could make all the difference.
In the meantime I am left suffering to the point where I feel like I am truly losing my mind.
Maxime
> > Okay, I am not entirely comfortable posting this, but I am hoping you won't think I am complete idiot.
>
> Please see:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050322/msgs/475578.html
>
>
> That's a very interesting idea, and even if it is wrong, demonstrates exceptional and creative logical thinking. You get an A+. It might be right for all I know.
>
> The mechanisms behind Parnate induced hypertensive events is not entirely understood. Having said that, the tyramine reaction is to a great degree dependant upon the inactivation of the MAO enzyme in the gut and the digestive process.
>
>
> - Scott
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