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Posted by Optimist on March 21, 2005, at 23:06:35
Since I've started Parnate and especially at the higher doses I've noticed a rather pleasant side effect. I tend to get goosebumps much much easier... it's the feeling like when you get a shiver down your spine when something exciting/inspiring happens, with the hair on your body standing up. Adding caffeine, and vitex(dopamine agonist) both add this effect as well to the point where it happens at the drop of a hat.
Anyone else experience this?
Brian
Posted by ed_uk on March 22, 2005, at 8:42:24
In reply to Parnate goosebumps, posted by Optimist on March 21, 2005, at 23:06:35
Hi Brian!
I just wanted to say 'hi' to my optimistic friend :-) I'm so glad that you're doing well.
Keep in touch,
Ed.
Posted by Optimist on March 22, 2005, at 9:49:29
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps, posted by ed_uk on March 22, 2005, at 8:42:24
Hi Ed,
Thanks! Hope you're feeling better as well. Honestly, you got to try Parnate man. It's night and day compared to what I've tried so far; Prozac, Wellbutrin, Moclobemide, Lamictal, Adderall. There's got to be some pdoc in the UK that prescribes it. Grrrrrrr. :)
Brian
> Hi Brian!
>
> I just wanted to say 'hi' to my optimistic friend :-) I'm so glad that you're doing well.
>
> Keep in touch,
> Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on March 22, 2005, at 10:12:27
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps » ed_uk, posted by Optimist on March 22, 2005, at 9:49:29
Hi Opt!
>There's got to be some pdoc in the UK that prescribes it.
Maybe there is one somewhere. I can't control what pdoc I see though, I don't have a say. I don't think anyone would prescribe it to me, I'm not depressed atm, I'm tired and ADDish.
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on March 22, 2005, at 10:15:09
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps » Optimist, posted by ed_uk on March 22, 2005, at 10:12:27
Hi again,
In what ways do you think the Parnate's helping?
I know if I did get at prescription it wouldn't be more than 30mg, the UK info warns against prescribing higher doses than this.
Ed.
Posted by ixus on March 22, 2005, at 15:58:05
In reply to Parnate goosebumps, posted by Optimist on March 21, 2005, at 23:06:35
Yes, I have exactly the same effects at 40 mg. I believe it is an amfetamine metabolites reaction. I was more reactive to positive events and impulses (music, etc).
I would like to be more stable though. Could you desribe your symptoms in a more detailed way,
thanks!
/ixus> Since I've started Parnate and especially at
> the higher doses I've noticed a rather pleasant > side effect. I tend to get goosebumps much
> much easier... it's the feeling like when you
> get a shiver down your spine when something
> exciting/inspiring happens, with the hair on
> your body standing up. Adding caffeine, and
> vitex(dopamine agonist) both add this effect as > well to the point where it happens at the drop > of a hat.
>
> Anyone else experience this?
>
> Brian
Posted by willyee on March 23, 2005, at 3:18:15
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps » Optimist, posted by ed_uk on March 22, 2005, at 10:12:27
> Hi Opt!
>
> >There's got to be some pdoc in the UK that prescribes it.
>
> Maybe there is one somewhere. I can't control what pdoc I see though, I don't have a say. I don't think anyone would prescribe it to me, I'm not depressed atm, I'm tired and ADDish.
>
> Ed.Im used to posting on usenet,gotta rember where i am,so hopefully this comment isnt crossing boundaries,BUT alhtough not as easly,you can absolutly postivily order parnate from other resources on the net than a doc.I like to have an emergency supply since its not a med a pharmacy will carry on demand,so i keep extra to which i got offline without a docter invovled.Im sure thats all i can say.
Posted by sukarno on March 23, 2005, at 6:46:39
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps, posted by willyee on March 23, 2005, at 3:18:15
Glad to hear you are feeling well. :)
With that medication there is such a strict tyramine-free diet involved and many medications - both prescription and over-the-counter - can interact with it.
What does your diet consist of? Maybe I'll try that if the diet isn't too bad.
Paul
Posted by djmmm on March 23, 2005, at 10:32:01
In reply to Parnate goosebumps, posted by Optimist on March 21, 2005, at 23:06:35
> Since I've started Parnate and especially at the higher doses I've noticed a rather pleasant side effect. I tend to get goosebumps much much easier... it's the feeling like when you get a shiver down your spine when something exciting/inspiring happens, with the hair on your body standing up. Adding caffeine, and vitex(dopamine agonist) both add this effect as well to the point where it happens at the drop of a hat.
>
> Anyone else experience this?
>
> BrianI have...sometimes, I think the goosebumps/chills are associated with an increase in blood pressure. Goose-bumps are associated with fight or flight, as is an increase in blood pressure, heart rate, etc
Posted by Optimist on March 23, 2005, at 20:58:56
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps, posted by ed_uk on March 22, 2005, at 10:15:09
> Hi again,
>
> In what ways do you think the Parnate's helping?
>
> I know if I did get at prescription it wouldn't be more than 30mg, the UK info warns against prescribing higher doses than this.
>
> Ed.Number 1, I notice a huge energy improvement. I tend now to wake up before my alarm and am ready to go after 7 hours sleep, which would never happen before. I'm also not completely exhausted if I have a late night and have to get up early the next morning. If I get 5 hours sleep I am tired but it is not debilitating as it was before. I can get through my whole day and take a nap when I get home from work to replenish my energy.
I am finding work much more tolerable in of itself as well. Looking at a whole days agenda doesn't get me overwhelmed as it did before. I just tend to tackle one thing at a time, and move on.
I also seem to tackle projects with much more enthusiasm and passion. I can spend a whole day on something and my energy won't wane, when before I could only spend around 2 hours of focused attention then I would be exhausted.
My fear of the future has also diminished somewhat. I'm not so much concerned about what I'm going to do because I have so many more internal resources at my disposal now. My memory is getting better, I have more prolonged attention and am better at mult-tasking, and energy to burn.
Social interaction is also much easier. I don't know if it's me or what, but I seem to be getting much more attention from women lately. I must be projecting more of an air of self-confidence. I doubt it's paranoia that people are watching me. hehe
I'm sure there's many more positive benefits, I just can't think of them now. The important thing is the lack of negatives. My sexual dysfunction that I was experiencing before is almost abated, and the dry mouth is hardly noticable as well anymore. I'm sure in another month they will be gone completely.
Brian
Posted by Optimist on March 23, 2005, at 21:00:53
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps, posted by ixus on March 22, 2005, at 15:58:05
Describe my symptoms of the goosebumps or the mental problems?
> Yes, I have exactly the same effects at 40 mg. I believe it is an amfetamine metabolites reaction. I was more reactive to positive events and impulses (music, etc).
> I would like to be more stable though. Could you desribe your symptoms in a more detailed way,
> thanks!
> /ixus
>
> > Since I've started Parnate and especially at
> > the higher doses I've noticed a rather pleasant > side effect. I tend to get goosebumps much
> > much easier... it's the feeling like when you
> > get a shiver down your spine when something
> > exciting/inspiring happens, with the hair on
> > your body standing up. Adding caffeine, and
> > vitex(dopamine agonist) both add this effect as > well to the point where it happens at the drop > of a hat.
> >
> > Anyone else experience this?
> >
> > Brian
>
>
Posted by Optimist on March 23, 2005, at 21:03:43
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps, posted by sukarno on March 23, 2005, at 6:46:39
My diet consists of everything but old cheese(mild cheese is fine), aged meats(pepperoni, sausage...), tap beer(bottled beer, liquor, and wine is fine), and soy sauce. It's not restrictive at all.
> Glad to hear you are feeling well. :)
>
> With that medication there is such a strict tyramine-free diet involved and many medications - both prescription and over-the-counter - can interact with it.
>
> What does your diet consist of? Maybe I'll try that if the diet isn't too bad.
>
> Paul
Posted by ixus on March 24, 2005, at 0:57:47
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps » ixus, posted by Optimist on March 23, 2005, at 21:00:53
> Describe my symptoms of the goosebumps or the
> mental problems?Hi Brian!
I ment the symptoms of your original mental problems. I take Parnate for atypical depression/dystymia/fatigue/anxiety/ixus
Posted by ed_uk on March 24, 2005, at 13:13:23
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps, posted by Optimist on March 23, 2005, at 20:58:56
Hi Brian!
Are you still on 100mg?
>I notice a huge energy improvement. I tend now to wake up before my alarm and am ready to go after 7 hours sleep, which would never happen before.
It sounds almost to good to be true :-) I got up mid-afternoon today, I hate getting out of bed.
>I am finding work much more tolerable in of itself as well. Looking at a whole days agenda doesn't get me overwhelmed as it did before. I just tend to tackle one thing at a time, and move on.
I want to be like that!
>I also seem to tackle projects with much more enthusiasm and passion.
Are you tackling things which you would previously have found very boring?
>I don't know if it's me or what, but I seem to be getting much more attention from women lately.
LOL You're more attractive that you ever realised!
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by Optimist on March 25, 2005, at 9:43:58
In reply to Re: Parnate goosebumps » Optimist, posted by ixus on March 24, 2005, at 0:57:47
Hi Ixus,
Ok... my problems before were dysthymia/fatigue/social anxiety/existential depression.
Brian
> Hi Brian!
> I ment the symptoms of your original mental problems. I take Parnate for atypical depression/dystymia/fatigue/anxiety
>
> /ixus
Posted by Optimist on March 25, 2005, at 9:53:18
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate! » Optimist, posted by ed_uk on March 24, 2005, at 13:13:23
> Hi Brian!
>
> Are you still on 100mg?Yes I am. I was going to titrate downwards, but I like the amphetamine feeling so much I think I'll stay where I am for awhile. I want to make sure I'm stabilized for awhile as well before I start reducing it. If I had my way I'd probably raise it to 200mg a day just for the euphoric effects if price and my pdoc's input were ok.
> >I notice a huge energy improvement. I tend now to wake up before my alarm and am ready to go after 7 hours sleep, which would never happen before.
>
> It sounds almost to good to be true :-) I got up mid-afternoon today, I hate getting out of bed.Yeah, it feels wonderful. I feel like a new person.
> >I am finding work much more tolerable in of itself as well. Looking at a whole days agenda doesn't get me overwhelmed as it did before. I just tend to tackle one thing at a time, and move on.
>
> I want to be like that!
>
> >I also seem to tackle projects with much more enthusiasm and passion.
>
> Are you tackling things which you would previously have found very boring?Yeah I'd say so. Things which would have been mundane or boring before I don't have as many problems with like, housework, errands, etc...
> >I don't know if it's me or what, but I seem to be getting much more attention from women lately.
>
> LOL You're more attractive that you ever realised!Yeah I guess so. :) It has helped my self-esteem greatly. For some reason before it never sank in before to much effect. I'd say positive things to myself before but they wouldn't sink in. It's like the Parnate allows my feelings to follow my mind much more easily if that makes any more sense.
Brian
Posted by ed_uk on March 25, 2005, at 10:53:20
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate! » ed_uk, posted by Optimist on March 25, 2005, at 9:53:18
Hi Brian :-)
>I like the amphetamine feeling so much I think I'll stay where I am for awhile.
Would you say you're euphoric?
Ed.
Posted by willyee on March 25, 2005, at 12:16:28
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate! » ed_uk, posted by Optimist on March 25, 2005, at 9:53:18
I could take parnate all day,300 mg,but unless i take a high dose concurrently,no less than 40 mg,i will not achieve any robust euphoria.
40MG at times,does achive it,and above it im assuming will,however the times i tried 50 mg i was not able to tolerate it,at this dose adding anything is much more severe and im much more careful,idlike to take a higher dose,is there any suggestions on how to tolerate a higher dose,breaking it up even as little as 20 min apart would break the chain and it would be similiar to two seperate doses,it needs to be the higher dose in a single setting.
What is ur highest single dose ?I dont know if u answered this before but id like to know cause parnate is not helping me i feel like im wasting money and pills when i ingest them.
Posted by ed_uk on March 25, 2005, at 16:46:30
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate!, posted by willyee on March 25, 2005, at 12:16:28
Hi willyee!
>i will not achieve any robust euphoria.
Would you say it actually makes you euphoric or do you think you just feel so much better because it's relieving your depression. I've been wondering whether Parnate is more likely to induce euphoria than other ADs.
Ed.
Posted by Optimist on March 30, 2005, at 7:27:05
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate! » Optimist, posted by ed_uk on March 25, 2005, at 10:53:20
> Hi Brian :-)
>
> >I like the amphetamine feeling so much I think I'll stay where I am for awhile.
>
> Would you say you're euphoric?
>
> Ed.Hi Ed,
I wouldn't necessarily say euphoric... it's more like a pleasant stimulation.
Posted by Optimist on March 30, 2005, at 7:32:02
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate!, posted by willyee on March 25, 2005, at 12:16:28
Sorry for the wait guys. I haven't been checking in as often lately.
I usually split it up, 50mg at breakfast, and 50mg at lunch. My largest dose has been 80mg at one time and was very nice. :) That was a lunch dose. I had taken 20mg earlier for breakfast. For me I have no problems tolerating it. For someone who doesn't tolerate high doses very well I'd suggest breaking up the doses as small as possible over as many times as you may need.
Brian
> I could take parnate all day,300 mg,but unless i take a high dose concurrently,no less than 40 mg,i will not achieve any robust euphoria.
>
> 40MG at times,does achive it,and above it im assuming will,however the times i tried 50 mg i was not able to tolerate it,at this dose adding anything is much more severe and im much more careful,idlike to take a higher dose,is there any suggestions on how to tolerate a higher dose,breaking it up even as little as 20 min apart would break the chain and it would be similiar to two seperate doses,it needs to be the higher dose in a single setting.
>
> What is ur highest single dose ?I dont know if u answered this before but id like to know cause parnate is not helping me i feel like im wasting money and pills when i ingest them.
Posted by Optimist on March 30, 2005, at 7:34:35
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate! » willyee, posted by ed_uk on March 25, 2005, at 16:46:30
Hi Ed,
I've heard Parnate is one of the only few AD's that can result in dependence probably due to it's euphoric effects. From what I said in an earlier post, it's possible I may have been experiencing euphoria. I'm just not sure what to compare it to.
Brian
> Hi willyee!
>
> >i will not achieve any robust euphoria.
>
> Would you say it actually makes you euphoric or do you think you just feel so much better because it's relieving your depression. I've been wondering whether Parnate is more likely to induce euphoria than other ADs.
>
> Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on March 30, 2005, at 8:16:45
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate! » ed_uk, posted by Optimist on March 30, 2005, at 7:27:05
Hi Brian!
>it's more like a pleasant stimulation.
LOL Sounds good to me!!!!!!!
Regards,
Ed.
Posted by willyee on April 1, 2005, at 19:08:31
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate! » willyee, posted by Optimist on March 30, 2005, at 7:32:02
Wow i bow to you,fear is obviously not a factor for you and parnate.
I tried to take on 50 mg yesterday,and later became faint,my stomach felt ill,and had sweating,i wasnt in fear cause i know how to tackle a parnate crisis,and i did so,but there is no way i could take 50 mg again,it was horrable for me in everywhere,im just recupperating today.
My highest dose is 40mg,and thats only when i feel espcialy fatiqued and epressed,and even then its a stretch,to think you can take 80 mg,wow.
Im 6ft 200 pds,would u mind sharing ur weight and height?Im sooo frustrated everyday parnate is becomming less effective,and im detarating quickly,its quite frightening.
Posted by Optimist on April 3, 2005, at 18:54:37
In reply to Re: The Optimist loves Parnate!, posted by willyee on April 1, 2005, at 19:08:31
Hi Willyee,
I imagine I could handle 100mg in one dose without too much trouble, but as you know there's a lot of individual variability between people. I'm not really sure what the implications are.
I'm 6'3, 235lbs myself, so it seems we are similar in body mass indexes.
What seemed to make the Parnate better for me was adding vitamin B6(200mg), B12(2mg), and folic acid(5mg). I could tell the folic acid made a huge difference when I started it a few weeks ago. I'm sure you may have heard that MAOi's can reduce the B6 in your system which may indicate a special requirement.
Brian
> Wow i bow to you,fear is obviously not a factor for you and parnate.
>
> I tried to take on 50 mg yesterday,and later became faint,my stomach felt ill,and had sweating,i wasnt in fear cause i know how to tackle a parnate crisis,and i did so,but there is no way i could take 50 mg again,it was horrable for me in everywhere,im just recupperating today.
>
> My highest dose is 40mg,and thats only when i feel espcialy fatiqued and epressed,and even then its a stretch,to think you can take 80 mg,wow.
>
> Im 6ft 200 pds,would u mind sharing ur weight and height?Im sooo frustrated everyday parnate is becomming less effective,and im detarating quickly,its quite frightening.
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