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Posted by pretty_paints on February 21, 2005, at 10:49:29
Can you get addicted to these anti-EPS drugs, which they give you if you're on an antipsychotic??
For example, procyclidine.
I feel I could. They make me feel relaxed and blissful. I feel like a surge of warm, soothing-ness flowing through my body.
Also, can your body get used to them, so you have to keep taking more and more to get the same effect?
Thanks xx
Posted by SLS on February 21, 2005, at 11:31:40
In reply to Can you get ADDICTED to anti-EPS drugs?, posted by pretty_paints on February 21, 2005, at 10:49:29
Hi.
> Can you get addicted to these anti-EPS drugs, which they give you if you're on an antipsychotic??
>
> For example, procyclidine.
>
> I feel I could. They make me feel relaxed and blissful. I feel like a surge of warm, soothing-ness flowing through my body.
>
> Also, can your body get used to them, so you have to keep taking more and more to get the same effect?
>
> Thanks xxI don't know the answers to your questions. I can only guess.
Why do you find yourself in need of an anticholinergic drug?
Although not unheard of, I really doubt that you will become psychologically addicted to an anticholinergic like procyclidine. I don't think you will need to take more and more of the drug to maintain a response. However, there is the potential for a withdrawal syndrome upon abrupt discontinuation. It includes things like anxiety, dizziness, muscle spasms or rigidity, difficulty walking, tremulousness, and restlessness.
Have you noticed any changes in dreaming while asleep?
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk on February 21, 2005, at 13:48:56
In reply to Can you get ADDICTED to anti-EPS drugs?, posted by pretty_paints on February 21, 2005, at 10:49:29
Katie, how much procyclidine are you taking... and how frequently?
Ed.
Posted by med_empowered on February 21, 2005, at 17:22:03
In reply to Re: Can you get ADDICTED to anti-EPS drugs?, posted by ed_uk on February 21, 2005, at 13:48:56
Hey! The only place I've EVER read about an "addiction" or "dependence" on anti-EPS medication was in "Survining Schizophrenia," the latest edition, written by self-proclaimed schizophrenia+bi-polar expert E. Fuller Torrey...even he only mentions one case of it. Think about how these drugs work: they disrupt the normal cycle of the release and absorption of dopamine to an ENORMOUS degree; even newer drugs appear to block about 60-70% of normal dopamine absorption. Basically, regular use of neuroleptics causes a kind of drug-induced Parkinson's, with side-effects that are frighteningly similar to what those with Parkinson's experience...this is why anti-Parkinson's drugs help; they temporarily make dopamine levels more normal.
Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2005, at 17:56:55
In reply to I wouldn't worry about it., posted by med_empowered on February 21, 2005, at 17:22:03
Kate, why are you not responding to Ed and myself? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by pretty_paints on February 22, 2005, at 4:23:17
In reply to Re: I wouldn't worry about it. » med_empowered, posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2005, at 17:56:55
Oh Phillipa I'm sorry! Are you mad at me? I wasn't deliberately not responding.
The truth is I was still trying not to spend too much time on the board, but then this akathisia kicked off and I needed to ask some questions. I don't mind coming on babble for that sort of stuff, it's the stuff about my thoughts that I find hard and that gets me confused.
Sorry. You have both been sweethearts. I'm just being really rubbish, not keeping in contact. Things here are ok, I'm going to see my social worker this afternoon.
The day I went a bit awol (I discovered the next day) was that I had forgetten to take my meds!!! I seriously thought I was magic, and that I could have ironed my skin and it wouldn't have hurt, or that I could fly, like I do in my dreams. I was seriously freaked out but couldn't get in touch with anyone. Anyway, that night I really lost it like I used to before I was on AP's.
Then the next morning I went to put my PJ bottoms in the wash and I discovered yesterdays tablets in the pocket. Eeek. I had no idea they would affect me so much. Well, at least it proves the Abilify is doing *something*.
Anyway sorry again for the no-replies. Plz don't be mad at me. I'm just trying to make sense of my head.
hope you are both well? How's it going Phillipa? Oh by the way Phillipa, you may have already told me but, do you work? (if you don't mind me asking), or are you on sick leave?
And Ed, how's Uni? How many weeks of term do you have left?
lots of love
Kate xxxxxoh, ps: I am taking about 20mg procyclidine a day Ed. And to Scott, I am taking it for EPS's due to Abilify. I had a bottle leftover from when I was in hospital taking Rispiridone, so I rang my social worker and asked if I could take some of them again and she said sure.
Posted by SLS on February 22, 2005, at 7:30:26
In reply to Yo dudes, posted by pretty_paints on February 22, 2005, at 4:23:17
> oh, ps: I am taking about 20mg procyclidine a day Ed. And to Scott, I am taking it for EPS's due to Abilify. I had a bottle leftover from when I was in hospital taking Rispiridone, so I rang my social worker and asked if I could take some of them again and she said sure.I wouldn't hesitate taking the procyclidine if it helps. If it were me, I would take it for 2 weeks and then discontinue it by tapering.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2005, at 16:16:16
In reply to Re: Yo dudes, posted by SLS on February 22, 2005, at 7:30:26
I'm glad you're alright. I didn't know what else to do to get your "attention". Why don't you get a pill box that you can put your daily meds in for a week at a time. Then you will know if you took your meds that day. Won't they break or get lost in your pocket? Maybe for a while your Mom could help you keep track of them untill your feeling better. No, I'm not working. I haven't worked in 8 years. Now I'm afraid to go back. I think I want to though, and I keep telling myself that I will once we can move back to the city we left. My husband has to find a job there first though. I've been changing pdoc, meds, etc. See a therapist tomorrow in the city we left. That's where my new pdoc is too. It's 2 hours away. Hope we can move soon. Fondly, Phillipa PS Of course I'm not mad at you! XX
Posted by pretty_paints on February 22, 2005, at 17:51:34
In reply to Re: Yo dudes, posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2005, at 16:16:16
Hi Phillipa,
My parents do look after my meds, when I went into hospital they bought a safe and now they "administer" them to me like they're a pair of nurses! ha ha
I feel safer with it like that, plus I feel they're more involved and I like that. And I think they like being a bit more involved and part of things too. I dunno.
Oh the tabs were in wrappers, they were ok. My mum used to wake me early and give me Seroquel coz it would send me to nod nod land, and if I waited till I'd got up and then taken them, I'd be asleep all day long probably! Now I'm on Abilify, she leaves them out for me and i take them when I get up (altho on this occasion, I went downstairs to get some milk to take them with, and i forgot all about them). Abilify really wakes me up, so if I took them early I'd be buzzing around the house, ha ha.
Actually I'm having a really crap evening. Can I explain? Well over the last two weeks, every time I've felt weird or been experiencing things, I've rang up or gone down to see my social worker Helen. I have a pdoc and a social worker. Now I was under the impression that they all worked together, and therefore anything that I relayed to Helen would automatically be forwarded to my doc. They all work in the same building/offices etc.
Anyway today I go down to see Helen, and she says "yes you must remember to tell all of this to Johanna (my doc)" and I was like what?!! I can't believe it. I've got to go over it all and explain it again.
Am I being totally unreasonable? I just thought I'd see what you guys think. I thought we all worked together, type of thing. Now I feel like, what was the point telling Helen about everything in great detail when I have to go relay it to my doctor again anyway. I dunno. I guess I just feel relief when I explain something. And now I've got to go back over it all again.
I dunno. What do you think? Do any of you have similar problems? Am I just being a bit of a spoilt brat, wanting them to do all these things for me?
I feel like I'm just doing it to get attention. That's what it's made me feel like. I mean, it's like I'm going "ne-naw ne-naw, I'm ill, please tell the doctor, I'm very important, look at me, I'm ill, look, look at my symptoms, la de da".
When I don't think I am doing it to get attention. Do you think I am?? I was just under the impression that Helen was in cahoots with the doctor. Obviously I would still have doc appointments, but at least she would know a little about what's been going on...instead of me having to relay it all again.
Oh I dunno
Anyway I'm tired. My dad said he will ring Helen for me tomorrow, coz I can't bare to tell her the truth, I'm worried it will offend her, or maybe she'll think "oh Katie just wants attention from the doctor, that's why she wants me to fill the doctor in on all that's been happening". When I don't think that's true.
Anyway nightnight my dears.
speak soon xxxxxxxxxx
Posted by pretty_paints on February 22, 2005, at 17:58:22
In reply to Re: Yo dudes, posted by pretty_paints on February 22, 2005, at 17:51:34
When I said :
"I feel like I'm just doing it to get attention. That's what it's made me feel like. I mean, it's like I'm going "ne-naw ne-naw, I'm ill, please tell the doctor, I'm very important, look at me, I'm ill, look, look at my symptoms, la de da"."
I DIDN'T MEAN, "I feel like I'm just doing it to get attention". I MEANT, it LOOKS like I'm just doing it to get attention, to them I mean.
Get me?
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2005, at 19:06:08
In reply to Re: Yo dudes, posted by pretty_paints on February 22, 2005, at 17:51:34
Usually another health care worker that has spoken with you will communicate with your pdoc what you've said etc. But the pdoc wants to hear it from you. Someone else might have interpreted it wrong, and she wants to gauge your thoughts for clarity, delusions, etc. I'm sure they're not doing it to give you a hard time. Sleep well. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on February 24, 2005, at 9:56:26
In reply to Yo dudes, posted by pretty_paints on February 22, 2005, at 4:23:17
Hi Katie!
>Are you mad at me?
No, of course not :-)
Are you taking 5mg of procyclidine four times a day? How's the akathisia?
Ed.
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