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Posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 13:13:42
In reply to Re: Methaqualone » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 8, 2005, at 9:53:05
Right, Quaalude did not contain Diphenhydromine and probally a higher dose of methaqualone than Mandrax. Ludes were a very large white tablet,
2 brands, one Lemmon 714, the other Rorer 714. They are bootlegged to this day in Mexico to look like the original discontinued brand, bootlegs contain Diazepam and Phenobarbital and are very disappointing.
Posted by ed_uk on February 8, 2005, at 13:18:48
In reply to Re: Methaqualone » ed_uk, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 13:13:42
Hi!
Benzos are pretty boring!
Do you like hydrocodone? I've never tried it but I suspect that people tend to overate it when they compare it with other opioids. It's received a lot of media attention.
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 13:59:07
In reply to Re: Methaqualone » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 8, 2005, at 13:18:48
The only reason Hydros are popular is because of scheduling they are easier to get than anything stronger like Oxycodone. They are definetly weaker than Oxy, and the APAP makes them risky to take at higher doses. The strongest would be Norco @ 10/325, then Vicodan 7.5/500, and Loritab 5/500, all are available as generic Hydrocodone, the 'best' generics made by Watson. Also I've heard of custom compounding @ 15/125 which is legal, but do you trust the company compounding for you, I've heard alot of complaints. Hycodan is pure Hydrocodone. If I was in the UK I would stick to Dihydrocodiene as far as easy to get. Hydrocodone is easily obtained online in the US, anything stronger cannot be obtained legally over the internet.
Hope I covered it all.
Posted by ed_uk on February 8, 2005, at 14:12:11
In reply to Re: Methaqualone, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 13:59:07
Hi medhed,
The only opioid that I've ever taken is codeine. I took it when I injured my back. At prescribed doses it wasn't effective at all so I had to increase the dose.
Hydrocodone isn't used in the UK at all. Codeine is used a lot and dihydrocodeine is also popular.
>Hycodan is pure Hydrocodone
As far as I know, it also contains a low dose of homatropine.
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 15:30:55
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 8, 2005, at 14:12:11
I had no idea of Homatropine, isn't that used in an eyedrop preparation for dialating pupils for eye surgery.
I've had Hycodan tablets before and a syrup for cough that seemed very strong... that syrup was great... next time I get a cough I'll have to remember.Is dihydrocodiene OTC in the UK? Is it called Contugesic? Are codiene preparations OTC in the UK? I have had Contugesic, Perduretas, and Codeisan Mailed to me from the UK and it all seemed very legal.
Posted by jerrympls on February 8, 2005, at 18:11:10
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 8, 2005, at 14:12:11
> Hi medhed,
>
> The only opioid that I've ever taken is codeine. I took it when I injured my back. At prescribed doses it wasn't effective at all so I had to increase the dose.
>
> Hydrocodone isn't used in the UK at all. Codeine is used a lot and dihydrocodeine is also popular.
>
> >Hycodan is pure Hydrocodone
>
> As far as I know, it also contains a low dose of homatropine.
>
> Ed.Ed - you are correct. HYCODAN is 5mg hydrocodone and 1.5mg of homatropine which is an anti-cholinergic (sub-therapeutic dose). I think the only reason for the homatropine is to help protect from an overdose.
Jerry
Posted by jerrympls on February 8, 2005, at 18:12:59
In reply to Re: opioids, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 15:30:55
> I had no idea of Homatropine, isn't that used in an eyedrop preparation for dialating pupils for eye surgery.
> I've had Hycodan tablets before and a syrup for cough that seemed very strong... that syrup was great... next time I get a cough I'll have to remember.
>
> Is dihydrocodiene OTC in the UK? Is it called Contugesic? Are codiene preparations OTC in the UK? I have had Contugesic, Perduretas, and Codeisan Mailed to me from the UK and it all seemed very legal.
>Homatropine is a relative to atropine and is usually in an eye-drop preparation. The only reason homatropine is added to the hydrocodone is to help "protect" (somehow?) against an overdose.
Posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 18:32:42
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by jerrympls on February 8, 2005, at 18:12:59
Hycodan tablets were weak and gave me headaches.
The syrup was something else, I drank half the pint bottle at the time and my skin was numb, definetly reminded me of Dilaudid at that dose.
Posted by Impermanence on February 8, 2005, at 18:41:18
In reply to Re: opioids, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 15:30:55
Dihydrocodeine is a schedule 2, class A drug in the U.K. and is only available by prescription, however it's easily obtained via the internet without prescription. And yes Contugesic is dihydrocodeine.
Codeine is available as an O.T.C. med only when mixed with paracetamol, asprin or ibuprofen and the maximum amount is 12.5mgs per tablet, but codeine is easily separated from the drugs using a water filter. I guess the ideology behind this is it's better to let a human being die from liver failure than let them get a feeling they might enjoy!!!
Posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 19:24:15
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by Impermanence on February 8, 2005, at 18:41:18
Codiene= Tylenol 3 30mg, Tylenol 4 40mg, Emperim 4 40mg.
Hydrocodone= Loritab 5/500, Vicodin 7.5/500, Norco 10/325
Oxycodone= Percodan 5,7.5/500 aspirin, Percocet 5,7.5/500 tylenol, Oxycontin 10-80mg., Tylox 10/500
Morphine= MS Contin 30,60,100mg.
Hydromorphone= Dilaudid 1,2,3,4mg and HP injectable
Fenanyl= Duragesic 50,75,100 mcg.hr. transdermal system
Some US brand names for pain killers.
I'm sure I must have missed some...
like to add to the list?
Posted by CareBear04 on February 8, 2005, at 21:06:42
In reply to OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 19:24:15
hi all-- been following this thread with great interest. i've been on percocet since october. i should have a higher tolerance, but i think the max i can handle is 2 7.5/500s a day without getting loopy. i've been having an occasional drink or two lately; i've been more social. i don't mix them for a high. i've heard very scary things about mixing opiates with only downers including alcohol. can anyone give me a guess as to the max number of pills or drinks i can take safely? i also take 4mg of xanax a day and 2mg at night. thanks!
Posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 22:43:06
In reply to opiates with alcohol, posted by CareBear04 on February 8, 2005, at 21:06:42
First, I would say that 2 percs, 3 white sticks, and some drinks each day is a good amount unless you feel like you can handle more.
This mix is risky for everyday because they are 3 drugs that interact with each other, a miscalculation of too much of any one could cause respitory failure, like your tripling your risk. Plus, each one of those drugs intensifies the other so it's like triple strength of each.
I think that it is important that you find out what your tolerance is and what combos you like though. I would cut out the alcohol, that stuff is really the worst drug- unless it's half bottle of wine. Try some herb instead, you'll thank yourself.I'm baked right now!
Bye.
Posted by jerrympls on February 8, 2005, at 22:57:21
In reply to Re: opiates with alcohol » CareBear04, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 22:43:06
WOW. Medhed is advocating mixing alcohol and narcotics and CHEMIST was banned??? This doesn't make sense Dr. Bob.
Posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 7:46:20
In reply to Re: opioids, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 15:30:55
Hi,
>Is dihydrocodiene OTC in the UK?
In the UK, dihydrocodeine is available OTC in a medication called Paramol. Paramol contains paracetamol (acetaminophen) 500 mg and
dihydrocodeine tartrate 7.46 mg. Paramol tablets are schedule 5 in the UK.In the UK, dihydrocodeine is available as 30mg and 40 mg immediate release tablets. The 40mg tablets are called DF118 Forte. It is also available as DHC Continus, a modified release preparation which comes in 60mg, 90mg and 120mg tablets. These dihydrocodeine *tablets* are all schedule 5 in the UK.
Remedeine tablets contain 20mg dihydrocodeine/500mg APAP, Remedeine Forte tablets contain dihydrocodeine 30mg/500mg APAP. These dihydrocodeine *tablets* are all schedule 5 in the UK. ALL dihydrocodeine preparations require a prescription except Paramol.
Dihydrocodeine is also available as an oral solution containing dihydrocodeine tartrate 10 mg/5 mL. This oral solution is schedule 5.
*Pure* dihydrocodeine, and any dihydrocodeine preparation designed for injection is schedule 2 in the UK.
To summarise, dihydrocodeine is classified as a schedule 2 drug in the UK. However, many dihydrocodeine preparations are exempt from most of the controlled drug requirements and are classified under schedule 5. Most dihydrocodeine preparations are therefore subject to minimal control.
Under the UK Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, dihydrocodeine tablets are class B. When prepared for injection, dihydrocodeine is a class A drug
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 9:03:15
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 7:46:20
Thankyou for all the info, I'm starting a new file.
I figure Contugesic, Codesian, and Perduretas must of came by way of UK from Argentina (that's why the Spanish brands). Perduretas were the funniest looking tablets, like flat multicolor, very primitive looking, 30mg. coedine.
Dihydrocoedine is hard to get now, some kind of krackdown. I can get the syrup but because of the weight of the liquid and bottles, shipping costs would not justify the price.I've always heard that in England legally they can supply heroin to a patient. Legal heroin?
Posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 9:48:55
In reply to Re: opioids » ed_uk, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 9:03:15
Hi!
>I've always heard that in England legally they can supply heroin to a patient. Legal heroin?
Yes, diamorphine (heroin) is widely to used to treat severe pain in the UK. It is administered by continuous subcutaneous (sc) infusion to treat the severe pain of terminal illness. A machine called a syringe driver is used to administer it. When a continuous sc infusion is necessary, diamorphine is used in preference to morphine because it is more soluble and so large doses can be dissoved in small quantites of water. You can dissolve up to 250mg in 1ml of purified water.
Diamorphine is also used by IV, IM or sc injection to relive severe acute pain eg. acute MI. When given orally, it is almost completely metabolised to morphine and has no advantages over morphine when given by this route.
Diamorphine is metabolised to 6-acetylmorphine and morphine. It is illogical that other countries have made diamorphine schedule 1, it's abuse potential is no greater than oxycodone, hydromorphone etc. In the UK it is a schedule 2 drug. Diamorphine is no more dangerous than any of the other potent opioids.
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 10:27:54
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 9:48:55
In the file. Thankyou.
Posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 10:59:23
In reply to Re: opioids » ed_uk, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 10:27:54
Hi,
What sort of file are you making?
What is your opinion of the drug laws in the US?
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 13:30:28
In reply to Re: drug laws » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 10:59:23
I don't pay much attention to the drug laws unless I get my nose rubbed in it. But I know all the laws for just in case...
I paid my dues for the life I've chosen or is it I have not chosen this life of paying dues or due to the life choice you will get paid or paying to choose life does not pay or does this mean my life is over?
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 17:42:45
In reply to Re: drug laws » ed_uk, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 13:30:28
I've kracked the case, opiates help depression! My online doctor, Dr. Wassisname, granted me a script for 60 10/325 Hydrocodone. The thought of those yellow watsons coming to my door makes me all warm and fuzzy, my depression IS better. I have to admit, the idea makes me nauseus though.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 9, 2005, at 20:52:15
In reply to Re: opiates with alcohol, posted by jerrympls on February 8, 2005, at 22:57:21
> WOW. Medhed is advocating mixing alcohol and narcotics and CHEMIST was banned??? This doesn't make sense Dr. Bob.
Thanks for the input, but I'd like follow-ups regarding administrative issues to be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050128/msgs/455646.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 11:39:58
In reply to OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 17:42:45
My hydros arrived today...COD, the deliveryman looks at me funny. Perhaps I get too many stange packages.
I've taken 5, I have nothing to bother with today.
Posted by CareBear04 on February 11, 2005, at 12:11:27
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 11:39:58
i know abbout the uncomfortable feelimg. must you be there, or there is a rule that says you have to ab there when they arrive? better luck with it!
Posted by jerrympls on February 11, 2005, at 12:19:27
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 11:39:58
> My hydros arrived today...COD, the deliveryman looks at me funny. Perhaps I get too many stange packages.
> I've taken 5, I have nothing to bother with today.Medhed -
Are you ordering opiates off of internet pharmacies just to get high or to attempt to help with your depression?? Taking 5 at once doesn't sound like a good strategy in my opinion. I know it's extremely hard to find a doc who will prescribe opiates for depression - but I get the feeling you are just wanting to get high? I REALLY don't mean to judge or anything, I'm just advising to be cautious about mixing opiates with your other meds without the supervision of your doctor.
If I may ask- what meds are you taking for depression if any? Do you drink a lot when taking these meds - including the opiates? Please be careful as this could be a lethal combination.
I really hope that things work out for you. From your posts it sounds as if you're giving up on doctors and traditional treatments and have decided to self-medicate. If this is true, many people on this board - including me are here to listen and help in any way we can.
Please do not take this post the wrong way - I really want you to feel better.
Thanks
Jerry
Posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 14:50:55
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION??? » medhed, posted by jerrympls on February 11, 2005, at 12:19:27
No, I don't drink (except small amounts of wine).
From my pdoc I am taking Effexor and Welbutrin.
I have a very high tolerance to opiates even if I haven't used them in a while.
When I find something that compares to 'self medication' I will rethink my options.
Thankyou for your post, I believe in your concern.
Sometimes I cannot predict what will come out of my mouth/keyboard, and I am very defensive of my beliefs surrounding my use of chemicals.I hope your opiate trials are going well.
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