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Posted by rod on February 5, 2005, at 5:44:49
:-P
first, I have to say that I live in one of this old, naughty problematic european countries, as Clusterbomb Donald once called them. I dont think it is available in the US by now.
After talking with my doc about transdermal selegiline, he told my about the already available Xilopar, which is basically Selegiline which gets absorbed via the mucous membrane of the mouth. Also bypassing hepatic first pass metabolism. Resulting in that 1,25mg Xilopar equals 10mg oral selegiline. the blood levels of metabolites (N-Desmethylselegilin, I-Methamphetamin und I-Amphetamin) is thereby 88% to 92% lower than with oral (10mg) selegiline.
The Prescription info says its contraindicated with ADs, SSRIs and TCAs etc. etc. blabla so just be careful.I have stated taking it yesterday. I hope I will be able to cut down cigarette consumption etc. provides some useful activation, stimulation.
Anyway. I though you might be interested to hear about this drug, since I have never heard about it here.
Roland
Posted by Kenny Koala on February 5, 2005, at 8:44:16
In reply to XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline, posted by rod on February 5, 2005, at 5:44:49
> :-P
>
> first, I have to say that I live in one of this old, naughty problematic european countries, as Clusterbomb Donald once called them. I dont think it is available in the US by now.
>
> After talking with my doc about transdermal selegiline, he told my about the already available Xilopar, which is basically Selegiline which gets absorbed via the mucous membrane of the mouth. Also bypassing hepatic first pass metabolism. Resulting in that 1,25mg Xilopar equals 10mg oral selegiline. the blood levels of metabolites (N-Desmethylselegilin, I-Methamphetamin und I-Amphetamin) is thereby 88% to 92% lower than with oral (10mg) selegiline.
> The Prescription info says its contraindicated with ADs, SSRIs and TCAs etc. etc. blabla so just be careful.
>
> I have stated taking it yesterday. I hope I will be able to cut down cigarette consumption etc. provides some useful activation, stimulation.
>
> Anyway. I though you might be interested to hear about this drug, since I have never heard about it here.
>
> Roland
>That's interesting info, I hit google & it looks like Xilopar is available in half of Europe. I am somewhat jealous that you are able to get this med, which naughty country do you live in? :) When looking for info on these drugs I am constantly stunned on how much stuff English speaking countries miss out on.
Posted by SLS on February 5, 2005, at 9:44:40
In reply to XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline, posted by rod on February 5, 2005, at 5:44:49
Good luck, Roland.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk on February 5, 2005, at 13:38:56
In reply to Re: XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline » rod, posted by SLS on February 5, 2005, at 9:44:40
Hello,
In the UK, it is called Zelapar!
Ed.
Posted by HerV on February 5, 2005, at 15:25:15
In reply to Re: XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline, posted by ed_uk on February 5, 2005, at 13:38:56
> In the UK, it is called Zelapar!
And Otrasel in France.
Posted by ed_uk on February 5, 2005, at 18:50:49
In reply to Re: XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline, posted by HerV on February 5, 2005, at 15:25:15
Hello!
Are you from France? I like it how there are people from lots of different countries on psycho-babble?
Ed.
Posted by SadDoggie on February 6, 2005, at 3:46:02
In reply to Re: XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline » HerV, posted by ed_uk on February 5, 2005, at 18:50:49
You know we should really talk a lot more about european meds on this board, and japanese meds, and who knows where else. God knows the US meds don't work for many of us. For us treatment-resistant people here I'm sure the thought is "I wish we had more medicines in the US". In Japan who knows if they've got their own version of Prozac but only better. So many meds never come here from so many countries because they can't compete and it's too expensive to bring. And the US companies don't want them to come, probably making legislators make up some laws so they can't come. Yes their safety might be a concern since the thinking in the US is no one but the US has an FDA watching out for people. But I doubt this when you're talking about places like Europe and Japan. And even if they don't, are you going to pass up that med, the one that just might work for you?
SadDoggie
Posted by ed_uk on February 6, 2005, at 8:42:16
In reply to Re: XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline, posted by SadDoggie on February 6, 2005, at 3:46:02
Have a look at these Japanese adverts for psych drugs.......
http://homepage3.nifty.com/kazano/gallery/index_e.html
Ed.
Posted by Iansf on February 6, 2005, at 20:55:24
In reply to XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline, posted by rod on February 5, 2005, at 5:44:49
> After talking with my doc about transdermal selegiline, he told my about the already available Xilopar, which is basically Selegiline which gets absorbed via the mucous membrane of the mouth. Also bypassing hepatic first pass metabolism. Resulting in that 1,25mg Xilopar equals 10mg oral selegiline. the blood levels of metabolites (N-Desmethylselegilin, I-Methamphetamin und I-Amphetamin) is thereby 88% to 92% lower than with oral (10mg) selegiline.
>
>
So what is the situation regarding Xilopar and food interaction? Does it bypass the digestive system?And if taking 1.25mg Xilopar is equivalent to 10mg oral selegiline, does that mean that 2mg of Xilopene would no logner be selective but would affect both MAO-A and MAO-B since it would be equivalent to between 15 and 20 mg of oral selegiline?
Posted by Jakeman on February 6, 2005, at 22:55:34
In reply to Re: Japanese adverts » SadDoggie, posted by ed_uk on February 6, 2005, at 8:42:16
The Japanese ads are great! That guy next to the Tofranil ad resembles how I look in the morning after no sleep.
Since this is an international message board I totally agree that we need more sharing of information about medications and supplements available from various countries. I've never understood why some meds like Stablon or Immovane have been studied and used for many years outside the US but they are not available here. One problem though is that our moderater will cut off any discussion about how to obtain medications from other countries... which results in a chilling effect overall on those kind of discussions.
Posted by ed_uk on February 7, 2005, at 11:01:29
In reply to Re: Japanese adverts Saddoggie » ed_uk, posted by Jakeman on February 6, 2005, at 22:55:34
>One problem though is that our moderater will cut off any discussion about how to obtain medications from other countries... which results in a chilling effect overall on those kind of discussions.
Hi!
I think we can talk about how to obtain foreign drugs with a prescription, but we're not allowed to talk about obtaining foreign meds w/o a prescription. Also, we can't mention sites which sell drugs w/o a prescription.
Ed.
Posted by Jakeman on February 7, 2005, at 17:06:57
In reply to Re: Japanese adverts » Jakeman, posted by ed_uk on February 7, 2005, at 11:01:29
> >One problem though is that our moderater will cut off any discussion about how to obtain medications from other countries... which results in a chilling effect overall on those kind of discussions.
>
> Hi!
>
> I think we can talk about how to obtain foreign drugs with a prescription, but we're not allowed to talk about obtaining foreign meds w/o a prescription. Also, we can't mention sites which sell drugs w/o a prescription.
>
> Ed.Hi Ed,
Any ideals on how one could obtain a prescription for a drug from a foriegn country?
Thanks, Jake.
Posted by SadDoggie on February 7, 2005, at 18:07:26
In reply to Re: Japanese adverts » SadDoggie, posted by ed_uk on February 6, 2005, at 8:42:16
Thanks for that link, that's a great site.
> Have a look at these Japanese adverts for psych drugs.......
>
> http://homepage3.nifty.com/kazano/gallery/index_e.html
>
> Ed.
Posted by SadDoggie on February 7, 2005, at 18:09:55
In reply to Re: Japanese adverts, posted by Jakeman on February 7, 2005, at 17:06:57
Oh dear, I think this might be a no no but here goes. xxx
> Any ideals on how one could obtain a prescription for a drug from a foriegn country?
>
> Thanks, Jake.
>
>
Posted by Jakeman on February 7, 2005, at 21:58:46
In reply to Re: Japanese adverts, posted by SadDoggie on February 7, 2005, at 18:09:55
> Oh dear, I think this might be a no no but here goes. xxx
>
> > Any ideals on how one could obtain a prescription for a drug from a foriegn country?
> >
> > Thanks, Jake.
> >Thanks Doggie, but I imagine parts of your post may soon be censored. I understand that Bob does not want to allow transfer of information that may cause illegal activity. But this is a gray area. I see people here that are suffering and and are desperate for answers, no matter where they come from. That's why international input is so valuable. I've ordered drugs from foriegn countries that have helped. And it not clearly evident that the US government forbids this as long as it's for your own use. In terms of prescriptions, no US doctor will write you an out of country script. But we can be informed consumers.
http://counsellingresource.com/medications/discount-drugs/personal-importation.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 8, 2005, at 1:53:38
In reply to Re: Japanese adverts, posted by SadDoggie on February 7, 2005, at 18:09:55
> I think this might be a no no but here goes. xxx
Right, please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by gromit on February 8, 2005, at 3:51:31
In reply to Re: prescription medication without a prescription » SadDoggie, posted by Dr. Bob on February 8, 2005, at 1:53:38
I was just about to order liquid deprenyl because I thought it would give more flexibility in dosing. If what you say is true maybe the tablets would be better. Has anybody taken both the pills and the liquid?
Thanks
Rick
Posted by SadDoggie on February 8, 2005, at 10:00:53
In reply to Re: prescription medication without a prescription » SadDoggie, posted by Dr. Bob on February 8, 2005, at 1:53:38
hey I don't remember writing xxx! Arghh.
> > I think this might be a no no but here goes. xxx
>
> Right, please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Posted by rod on February 17, 2005, at 5:37:25
In reply to XILOPAR® - sublingual Selegiline, posted by rod on February 5, 2005, at 5:44:49
Just for the record, after 4 days, I stopped taking it. Its also (like ordinary seleg.) anxiogenic and just causes stress, which impaied my ability to concentrate. Also did nothing for smoking or sugar cravings.
If someone interested, I now try Tianeptine again. But only at 2x half a tab. not 3 and later 6 tabs a day. But this issue deserves a new thread if its is working. And well, hmmm, more later :)
Roland
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