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Posted by KaraS on July 11, 2004, at 18:08:24
In reply to Re: Lorily, forget my last question to you!, posted by lorily on July 11, 2004, at 16:39:01
> Kara, Thanks, how great to have support, HUH? Like I said, I lowered it even from the 1/4 yest and today, especially today. For a minute I thought why even bother? but, no, I will continue this minimal dose another day or so. I have an appt to see the psych dr on the 21st. Won't she be surprised?
How can you go lower than 1/4? Could you actually break that 1/4 pill in half?
Posted by KaraS on July 11, 2004, at 18:13:15
In reply to Antidepressants and suicide, posted by worm on July 11, 2004, at 12:13:16
> All I know is from my own personal experience. Even in the worst of my depression, I was never suicidal. But while I was taking Effexor, I thought about it all the time, even thinking about methods, etc.
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> And I didn't know it was one of the "side effects" of Effexor until I started reading these messages. So I had no reason to blame the Effexor or use it as an excuse. When I found out it could have been the
> Effexor, I quit taking it, and I have never felt better.That's frightening. They really should warn people more that this could be a side effect. It's never happened to me but if it had, I would sure like to have known the cause. Could save a lot of people a lot of trouble - not to mention saving lives!
Posted by lorily on July 11, 2004, at 19:24:50
In reply to Re: Lorily, forget my last question to you!, posted by KaraS on July 11, 2004, at 18:08:24
I have the capsules. Not very scientific or accurate, but I do the best I can.
Posted by KaraS on July 11, 2004, at 22:59:10
In reply to Re: Lorily, forget my last question to you!, posted by lorily on July 11, 2004, at 19:24:50
> I have the capsules. Not very scientific or accurate, but I do the best I can.
Of course - that makes more sense!
Posted by alan38 on July 12, 2004, at 6:15:45
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by lorily on July 11, 2004, at 16:09:44
I have been totally off effexor for 4 weeks and am still having to take (1) claritin every other day to curb the Brain flashes/Zaps. Would you say this par for the course??? That is the only withdrawal symptom I have at this point.
Do you know if the other "popular ADs" out there cause the brain zaps as well??? Reason being, I was on Lexapro/Zoloft/Paxil and finally effexor from 9/2003 to July 5, 2004 (last day of effexor). Probably just my brain trying to do it on it's own.Your thoughts.....
Posted by alan38 on July 12, 2004, at 6:21:02
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects » alan38, posted by dizzzzy on July 9, 2004, at 16:19:46
The claritin D or Benadryl virtually eliminate the dizziness/brain Zaps ( do you get those?). I don't know the Phamacology but it does work.
What has been the length of time on your coming off Effexor (withdrawal period)?
Posted by annesand on July 12, 2004, at 7:09:35
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by Raggy on July 10, 2004, at 23:28:56
Which issue of Self is it in? I looked at the July issue on a store shelf yesterday and didn't see it.
Posted by annesand on July 12, 2004, at 7:12:33
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by Frisky_Cat on July 11, 2004, at 5:28:39
Why the nastiness? It really doesn't help anything.
Posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 8:08:01
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by alan38 on July 12, 2004, at 6:15:45
Alan, that site I mentioned has a lot of really good info in it. According to that and other info I've gathered, it all depends on how long you were taking it and how slowly/quickly you withdrew it from your system.
I'm going pretty slow but steadily downward and feel good. Today I haven't taken anything, felt a little off-kilter walking to the bus, but I'm going to see how it goes. I brought a very small amount (a tad less than yesterday which was less than a 1/4) just in case I feel too uncomfortable. I'm trying to avoid all that pain!!!!!
Are you taking any other meds? I'm wondering because when I stopped the depakote, I felt side effects of effexor like when I first started it, then when I decreased it, I started feeling better. I guess I REALLY don't need it anymore!!! Maybe some of what you're feeling is due to other meds you're on?
Posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 8:19:36
In reply to Re: Lorily, forget my last question to you!, posted by KaraS on July 11, 2004, at 22:59:10
Kara, I haven't taken anything today yet. Feeling okay, I felt a little discombobulated walking to the bus, but OK!!! I brought a capsule with a little bit in it in case I feel uncomfortable. so far so good WHOOOOO-HOOOOOO.
Posted by Raggy on July 12, 2004, at 8:33:23
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by annesand on July 12, 2004, at 7:09:35
> Which issue of Self is it in? I looked at the July issue on a store shelf yesterday and didn't see it.
It is in the July 2004 issue, on page 137. I had a hard time finding the topic also, should have been their main story.
Posted by annesand on July 12, 2004, at 8:39:21
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by Raggy on July 12, 2004, at 8:33:23
Thanks! I'll grab one today.
Posted by PoohBear on July 12, 2004, at 10:08:19
In reply to Re: Worm - Antidepressants and suicide, posted by KaraS on July 11, 2004, at 18:13:15
> > All I know is from my own personal experience. Even in the worst of my depression, I was never suicidal. But while I was taking Effexor, I thought about it all the time, even thinking about methods, etc.
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This is interesting, because Effexor STOPPED my suicidal ideation dead in its tracks. For me it's been a Godsend. However, as can be seen on these boards, everybody's different...Tony
Posted by pablo1 on July 12, 2004, at 10:11:08
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by pandareina on July 10, 2004, at 23:39:18
That's good that you are feeling the same exhilaration I feel getting off effexor. I've only been on 75mg for 7 weeks though so have only had brain spark effects renewed dreaming and a sort of hyper manic euphoria. And yes I'm pooping like a champ now LOL!
> ... my ears go zoom-zoom, my brain falls behind when I turn my head ... the nausea ... the poopies ... the confusion ... But thank God, I have no depression - on the contrary, I cannot sleep. I am hyper, happy (too happy), calm and in control.
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> This is my 4rd day without Effexor - the symptoms are now stronger than yesterday, and I am starting to feel a bit fed up with them. I want to tough it out - I do not want to take another type of pill or take some Effexor to take the edge off. I am looking forward to my crazy dreams ...or nightmares ... they can be fun and very scary too.
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Posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 10:15:33
In reply to Re: Worm - Antidepressants and suicide, posted by PoohBear on July 12, 2004, at 10:08:19
Somewhere in these threads was a copy of the FDA (recent) warning about certain ADs (one of them effexor) and their link to worsening depression, suicidal thoughts, et cetera. Meds affect everyone differently, everything does.
Some people get drowsy from coffee.
Posted by worm on July 12, 2004, at 10:32:32
In reply to Re: Worm - Antidepressants and suicide, posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 10:15:33
Yes, different drugs have different effects on everyone. That's why these forums should be used for general advice only. Some of the things mentioned have been helpful to me, some not. The best part is just knowing you are not going through it alone. The brain zaps, the memory loss, made me feel like I was losing my mind. Then when I saw nearly everyone coming off Effexor had the same symptoms, I could somehow deal with it better.
I am so clear-headed and happy now, maybe its just because it's summertime and I have lost a few pounds (because of being off Effexor?) and feel better about myself. If I feel myself slipping, I will talk to my doctor and see if there is some chemical help for me. But for now, I am enjoying life as it comes.
Worm
Posted by alan38 on July 12, 2004, at 13:10:30
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 8:08:01
I am only taking the Claritin (1 tablet every other day). That aleviates all the zaps. I am diabetic so I take insulin every day. I don't think that would have anything to do with the coming off effexor but who knows???
I notice that if I take a claritin and wait a day and a half or so the zaps come back. I don't get it. Other than the zaps, I feel great. Some other posts say It could take a few months for them to get out of your system.Your thoughts...
Posted by dizzzzy on July 12, 2004, at 15:49:56
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by Frisky_Cat on July 11, 2004, at 5:28:39
I am appalled that you would write like this on a message board of people going through something very significant! Different people react differently! Are you on effexor? Why are you writing on this board only to put down what someone may be saying that have or are going through. I was very happy to find this board. It help me realize that what I am feeling going off effexor (dizzy, nausea, etc.) was real and not in my head! I think that you should keep your hostile opions to yourself if you aren't going to say anything beneficial to everyone else!!!!!!!
> I have to protest the comments below. There is no hard evidence that antidepressants increase depression. The most logical explanation for the fact that sometimes people who take antidepressants commit suicide is
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> 2. the antidepressants give them enough energy to commit suicide.
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> I was trained as a statistician. I am smart enough to know that the fact that umbrellas and rain are correlated does not imply that umbrellas caused it to rain.
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> Similarly, if you take a population of extremely depressed prone to suicide, you can't draw the inference that putting them on a drug caused them to commit suicide. Some of these people will commit suicide no matter what treatment they receive or not.
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> I am stunned (as usual) by the inability of people on this board to think straight.
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> I'll add that a good wager is that most of you will back on medication in the near future. Your conditions are chronic and the levels of neurotransmitters in your brain will deteriorate over time.
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> > I want to thank who ever mentioned the article in SELF magazine. The only thing about the article is the fact that it doesn't mention that the FDA has put out the warning how some people can become more depressed and suicidal while taking this drug and also from withdrawal from it.
> > This article will explain a lot more to my son who is still devastated by the death of his dear wife, from this drug.
> > Please, please, listen to your docrors and if you are trying to get off this terrible drug, do it safely.
> > My thoughts and prayers with you all.
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Posted by Frisky_Cat on July 12, 2004, at 15:53:26
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now » Frisky_Cat, posted by dizzzzy on July 12, 2004, at 15:49:56
> I am appalled that you would write like this on a message board of people going through something very significant! Different people react differently! Are you on effexor? Why are you writing on this board only to put down what someone may be saying that have or are going through. I was very happy to find this board. It help me realize that what I am feeling going off effexor (dizzy, nausea, etc.) was real and not in my head! I think that you should keep your hostile opions to yourself if you aren't going to say anything beneficial to everyone else!!!!!!!
Your comments are totally irrelevant to my comments below on the claims regarding suicidal tendencies.
And yes, tough love is sometimes better than feel good nonsense.
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> > I have to protest the comments below. There is no hard evidence that antidepressants increase depression. The most logical explanation for the fact that sometimes people who take antidepressants commit suicide is
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> > I was trained as a statistician. I am smart enough to know that the fact that umbrellas and rain are correlated does not imply that umbrellas caused it to rain.
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> > I am stunned (as usual) by the inability of people on this board to think straight.
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> > > This article will explain a lot more to my son who is still devastated by the death of his dear wife, from this drug.
> > > Please, please, listen to your docrors and if you are trying to get off this terrible drug, do it safely.
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Posted by dizzzzy on July 12, 2004, at 15:58:39
In reply to Re: Worm - Antidepressants and suicide, posted by worm on July 12, 2004, at 10:32:32
Your message encourages me! I am 2 days off completely and can't wait for the brain zaps to go away! I am taking a claritin but it isn't working that well to keep the zaps away. Although it may be lessening them?! I look forward to everyday as I get closer to feeling normal again!
Thanks.
Posted by dizzzzy on July 12, 2004, at 16:01:36
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by Frisky_Cat on July 12, 2004, at 15:53:26
I am confused as to why my comments are totally irrelevant to your comments previously on the claims regarding suicidal tendencies. I think I covered exactly what I needed to say?! You seem to be a VERY hostile person and I further disagreed with you saying that "tough love is sometimes better than feel good nonsense". Sometimes people just need a friendly ear and someone who understands!
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2004, at 16:30:06
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by Frisky_Cat on July 12, 2004, at 15:53:26
> Your comments are totally irrelevant...
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> feel good nonsensePlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel put down. I already asked you to be civil, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or email me, or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration after your block is over.
Sharing something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by pandareina on July 12, 2004, at 16:33:07
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by lorily on July 11, 2004, at 16:09:44
Thanks! I actually could not take it anymore and took a 75 mg pill - and within the hour i was sooo much better. I am going to decrease it slowly, very slowly - because the pain was too great to handle. I will keep you posted. I will use the capsules and take pellets out until there are none! :)
Thanks for the support!
V.
V. Based on that site I mentioned in a post "look what I found" a few days ago, half life of effexor sr 75 mg takes about 5 days to get out of your system completely. But, the things you are feeling is your brain trying to do what the effexor was doing and not being able to correctly. This I did not make up. The reason we have these feelings on effexor is due to the short half life, it sends our brain into the "do it yourself mode" right away. Zoloft etc can stay in your system for MONTHS, allowing your brain to learn how to do the work on its own, slowly. That's why they reccomend taking one of the other ADs while coming off the effexor. My suggestion is to just take a little bit to curb those feelings. I know you must want to get off it ASAP, I know I did, but I cut from 75 to 37.5 for i guess 5 weeks had bad feelings the first day, so I stayed there and you may have read my other posts and I'm doing great. I feel that taking a small dose to help your brain adjust is absolutely not a bad thing, we have to remember that we have problems we need help with and you don't want to send yourself into a relapse of the depression. Take it easy and don't push yourself to do something you may not be ready for. Feeling worse as the days go on seems like your brain needs a little help for a little bit
> Good luck
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2004, at 16:41:02
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now » Frisky_Cat, posted by dizzzzy on July 12, 2004, at 16:01:36
> Why the nastiness?
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> annesand> I think that you should keep your hostile opions to yourself...
> You seem to be a VERY hostile person
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> dizzzzyPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if they started it. Try to be patient and not to let them push your buttons? Two wrongs don't make a right.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by snake on July 12, 2004, at 18:00:47
In reply to Re: please be civil » annesand » dizzzzy, posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2004, at 16:41:02
just a few words of encouragement, i've beeb off of effexor for 25 days and i'm feeling better. i took bendryl for the nauesa and just suffered with the rest. on a scale of 10 being the worst time i've had a 3 today,thank God.be so glad to be normal again if i know what normal is. now i'm a little anxious it will come back. you guys just hang in there. there is life after effexor. cece
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