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Posted by florence on May 9, 2004, at 22:55:29
I am chronically fatigued. Provigil used to help and I discovered by accident that when I took Sonata (Zaleplom) I noticed SIGNIFICANT lifting of my mood.. I noticed on a Chronic Fatigue Site that Klonopin is one of the top drugs used for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The dose is 2 or more 0.5 mg tablets at night. "Paradoxically, very small doses (usually one quarter to one half of a tablet) in the morning and mid-afternoon improves cognitive function and energy. If the daytime dose is low enough you'll experience greater clarity and think better. If the daytime dose is too high, you'll be drowsy."... Anyhow, I am in a really bad state. So, I have got to call my pdoc this week..Should I bother requesting Klonopin? I already take Xanax to counteract the anxiety(?) (crying, irritable, drop in mood) that occurs when the Provigil wears off each day. I apologize if this doesn't make alot of sense. I can't think very clearly. I want to know if Sonata or Ambien even, act on GABA the same way.. I have had no luck with lamictal, trileptal, zyprexa, neurontin, etc. There is a theory that NMDA is more activated than GABA in patients with "actual" Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Thanks for any help.
Posted by jodeye on May 10, 2004, at 0:56:18
In reply to Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by florence on May 9, 2004, at 22:55:29
> I am chronically fatigued. Provigil used to help and I discovered by accident that when I took Sonata (Zaleplom) I noticed SIGNIFICANT lifting of my mood..
Does Provigil still help? How much do you take? I noticed an improvement in sociability when taking zopiclone at night and then adding coffee the next day. But coffee is not for me.
> I noticed on a Chronic Fatigue Site that Klonopin is one of the top drugs used for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The dose is 2 or more 0.5 mg tablets at night. "Paradoxically, very small doses (usually one quarter to one half of a tablet) in the morning and mid-afternoon improves cognitive function and energy. If the daytime dose is low enough you'll experience greater clarity and think better. If the daytime dose is too high, you'll be drowsy."...
That is quite fascinating. Will you share the web address with me?
> Anyhow, I am in a really bad state. So, I have got to call my pdoc this week..Should I bother requesting Klonopin? I already take Xanax to counteract the anxiety(?) (crying, irritable, drop in mood) that occurs when the Provigil wears off each day. I apologize if this doesn't make alot of sense. I can't think very clearly. I want to know if Sonata or Ambien even, act on GABA the same way.. I have had no luck with lamictal, trileptal, zyprexa, neurontin, etc. There is a theory that NMDA is more activated than GABA in patients with "actual" Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Thanks for any help.
Sorry I can't help, but keep at it!
--Jay
Posted by chemist on May 10, 2004, at 13:06:40
In reply to Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by florence on May 9, 2004, at 22:55:29
> I am chronically fatigued. Provigil used to help and I discovered by accident that when I took Sonata (Zaleplom) I noticed SIGNIFICANT lifting of my mood.. I noticed on a Chronic Fatigue Site that Klonopin is one of the top drugs used for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The dose is 2 or more 0.5 mg tablets at night. "Paradoxically, very small doses (usually one quarter to one half of a tablet) in the morning and mid-afternoon improves cognitive function and energy. If the daytime dose is low enough you'll experience greater clarity and think better. If the daytime dose is too high, you'll be drowsy."... Anyhow, I am in a really bad state. So, I have got to call my pdoc this week..Should I bother requesting Klonopin? I already take Xanax to counteract the anxiety(?) (crying, irritable, drop in mood) that occurs when the Provigil wears off each day. I apologize if this doesn't make alot of sense. I can't think very clearly. I want to know if Sonata or Ambien even, act on GABA the same way.. I have had no luck with lamictal, trileptal, zyprexa, neurontin, etc. There is a theory that NMDA is more activated than GABA in patients with "actual" Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Thanks for any help.
hello there....sonata and ambien bind to sub-units of the GABA receptor in a different fashion than do benzodiazepines, although the resultant anxiolytic effects (or hyponotic/sedative) are from the same mode of action with the receptor....i recall a very short action for sonata, and it being used (mostly) for people who have trouble falling asleep; ambien lasts longer, and is used when one has trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. the site-selectivity in the GABA type A receptor probably accounts for some non-benzodiazepine characteristics of these drugs, e.g., preservation of duration spent in a couple(?) of sleep stages....hope this helps a bit, and all the best, chemist
Posted by florence on May 10, 2004, at 14:06:02
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by jodeye on May 10, 2004, at 0:56:18
> I had succes with provigil for over 2 years; most of the time 50-100 mgs was enough. Now, I have tried up to 250 with not much improvement. I am not a coffee person either. What is zopicom (sp.?). The info about Klonopin came from an excellent website called Immune Support that has many different boards: Depression, Chronic Fatigue, Arthritis, Lupus. It has an article in their "Library" entitled Dr Paul Cheney discusses the benefits of Klonopin. It is an EXCELLENT site; well-monitored just like Psycho Babble. ..chemist thanks for taking the time to answer my post; I am SO frustrated becuz I FINALLY find something that works (provigil plus sonata) and of course, since Sonata has such a short half life I had to take 3-4 pills a day to feel well. (not high or drunk: just normal!) My pdoc is great but is afraid the DEA will come take her away id she keeps giving me scripts for Sonata. She offered me Ambien last week but it didn't seem to work as well as the sonata; as far as lifting my mood. Plus, I had bad headaches from it. SO, that is why I am trying to research Klonopin. I hate to ask for yet another drug that may do little or nothing. I take Xanax but do not notice any antidepressant effects. In fact, I only need it to counteract the Provigil "meltdown". Any thoughts on how to find a drug that works on the same Gaba or part of the brain as Sonata? > I am chronically fatigued. Provigil used to help and I discovered by accident that when I took Sonata (Zaleplom) I noticed SIGNIFICANT lifting of my mood..
>
> Does Provigil still help? How much do you take? I noticed an improvement in sociability when taking zopiclone at night and then adding coffee the next day. But coffee is not for me.
>
> > I noticed on a Chronic Fatigue Site that Klonopin is one of the top drugs used for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The dose is 2 or more 0.5 mg tablets at night. "Paradoxically, very small doses (usually one quarter to one half of a tablet) in the morning and mid-afternoon improves cognitive function and energy. If the daytime dose is low enough you'll experience greater clarity and think better. If the daytime dose is too high, you'll be drowsy."...
>
> That is quite fascinating. Will you share the web address with me?
>
> > Anyhow, I am in a really bad state. So, I have got to call my pdoc this week..Should I bother requesting Klonopin? I already take Xanax to counteract the anxiety(?) (crying, irritable, drop in mood) that occurs when the Provigil wears off each day. I apologize if this doesn't make alot of sense. I can't think very clearly. I want to know if Sonata or Ambien even, act on GABA the same way.. I have had no luck with lamictal, trileptal, zyprexa, neurontin, etc. There is a theory that NMDA is more activated than GABA in patients with "actual" Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Thanks for any help.
>
> Sorry I can't help, but keep at it!
>
> --Jay
>
>
Posted by jodeye on May 10, 2004, at 15:48:57
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by florence on May 10, 2004, at 14:06:02
> > I had succes with provigil for over 2 years; most of the time 50-100 mgs was enough. Now, I have tried up to 250 with not much improvement.
I have heard testimonials that NMDA antagonists can prevent stimulant tolerance. I can only wonder if they might prevent Provigil tolerance as well?
> > What is zopicom (sp.?).
Zopiclone (imovane(tm)) is what I call one of the Z-drugs... Ambien, Sonata, Imovane -- they all start with the letter Z. I think zopiclone has a longer effect than either Ambien or Sonata. It is a french molecule that can be obtained from Canada with a US doctors prescription. Under $20 a month. You should be able to find a monograph on a canadian web site. Since it is NOT an FDA approved drug, it can legally be imported because of the *compassionate use* legislation. FDA approved drugs are not legally importable yet.
> > The info about Klonopin came from an excellent website called Immune Support that has many different boards: Depression, Chronic Fatigue, Arthritis, Lupus. It has an article in their "Library" entitled Dr Paul Cheney discusses the benefits of Klonopin. It is an EXCELLENT site; well-monitored just like Psycho Babble.
Thanks. I'll check it out. I'm ready to ask my doc to prescribe Klonopin + Adderall (or Klonopin + Provigil) for my symptoms of fatigue and APD, and I have not yet seen the Klonopin dosing schedule you describe.
> > I am SO frustrated becuz I FINALLY find something that works (provigil plus sonata) and of course, since Sonata has such a short half life I had to take 3-4 pills a day to feel well. (not high or drunk: just normal!)
Sonata during the day? you say?
> > My pdoc is great but is afraid the DEA will come take her away id she keeps giving me scripts for Sonata.
After seven wonderful years together, my doc says that he is willing to prescribe virtually anything I ask for as long as there is the tiniest rationale for it. He has very little history prescribing stimulants though. Which makes me wonder what are a doctors legal issues in prescribing stimulants all of a sudden, and possibly at a somewhat higher dose than the PDR recommends. Is someone really watching him? How close?
> > She offered me Ambien last week but it didn't seem to work as well as the sonata; as far as lifting my mood. Plus, I had bad headaches from it. SO, that is why I am trying to research Klonopin. I hate to ask for yet another drug that may do little or nothing. I take Xanax but do not notice any antidepressant effects. In fact, I only need it to counteract the Provigil "meltdown".
What is the Provigil "meltdown?"
> > Any thoughts on how to find a drug that works on the same Gaba or part of the brain as Sonata?
Ambien, Sonata, and Imovane all work on the same GABA receptor subtype, but as to which part of the brain, hard to know.
--Jay
Posted by florence on May 10, 2004, at 19:51:51
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin? » florence, posted by jodeye on May 10, 2004, at 15:48:57
> > > I had succes with provigil for over 2 years; most of the time 50-100 mgs was enough. Now, I have tried up to 250 with not much improvement.
>
> I have heard testimonials that NMDA antagonists can prevent stimulant tolerance. I can only wonder if they might prevent Provigil tolerance as well?
>
> > > What is zopicom (sp.?).
>
> Zopiclone (imovane(tm)) is what I call one of the Z-drugs... Ambien, Sonata, Imovane -- they all start with the letter Z. I think zopiclone has a longer effect than either Ambien or Sonata. It is a french molecule that can be obtained from Canada with a US doctors prescription. Under $20 a month. You should be able to find a monograph on a canadian web site. Since it is NOT an FDA approved drug, it can legally be imported because of the *compassionate use* legislation. FDA approved drugs are not legally importable yet.
>
> > > The info about Klonopin came from an excellent website called Immune Support that has many different boards: Depression, Chronic Fatigue, Arthritis, Lupus. It has an article in their "Library" entitled Dr Paul Cheney discusses the benefits of Klonopin. It is an EXCELLENT site; well-monitored just like Psycho Babble.
>
> Thanks. I'll check it out. I'm ready to ask my doc to prescribe Klonopin + Adderall (or Klonopin + Provigil) for my symptoms of fatigue and APD, and I have not yet seen the Klonopin dosing schedule you describe.
>
> > > I am SO frustrated becuz I FINALLY find something that works (provigil plus sonata) and of course, since Sonata has such a short half life I had to take 3-4 pills a day to feel well. (not high or drunk: just normal!)
>
> Sonata during the day? you say?
>
> > > My pdoc is great but is afraid the DEA will come take her away id she keeps giving me scripts for Sonata.
>
> After seven wonderful years together, my doc says that he is willing to prescribe virtually anything I ask for as long as there is the tiniest rationale for it. He has very little history prescribing stimulants though. Which makes me wonder what are a doctors legal issues in prescribing stimulants all of a sudden, and possibly at a somewhat higher dose than the PDR recommends. Is someone really watching him? How close?
>
> > > She offered me Ambien last week but it didn't seem to work as well as the sonata; as far as lifting my mood. Plus, I had bad headaches from it. SO, that is why I am trying to research Klonopin. I hate to ask for yet another drug that may do little or nothing. I take Xanax but do not notice any antidepressant effects. In fact, I only need it to counteract the Provigil "meltdown".
>
> What is the Provigil "meltdown?"
>
> > > Any thoughts on how to find a drug that works on the same Gaba or part of the brain as Sonata?
>
> Ambien, Sonata, and Imovane all work on the same GABA receptor subtype, but as to which part of the brain, hard to know.
>
> --Jay
>
Thanks much for responding to my post. I appreciate the info you provided. When I was first given Provigil becuz I was so fatigued that I could not get out of bed, it took me a while to figure out that the sudden drop in mood about 5-6 hours after taking the Provigil was FROM the Provigil. (Drop after peak plasma levels, I theorize) I would cry for no reason; overreact to things that never bothered me before; also had these feelings if I took Provigil too late in the day and woke up in the middle of the night with thoughts of total doom and gloom. I noticed when I took the Sonata in the evening that I REALLY did a complete turn around. Like I would think, who was THAT person a few hours ago? Also, stupid songs would continue and contine to play in my mind. One day, I did not take the Provigil and I literally laid on the couch and just rocked and felt like I could not shake the "down" feeling. I never had a racing heart or sweats though. So I didn't think it was anxiety. Eventually, my pdoc gave me Xanax which helped prevent this from happening. But it doesn't give me the uplifting mood like Sonata. SO, after finding out that Klonopin can be given during the day, I thought there might be a connection. IMPORTANT TO NOTE: there is no doubt in my mind that I would have fallen asleep during the day IF I was taking the Sonata alone and NOT in CONJUNCTION with the PROVIGIL.... I am such a calm person that it kills me to take the Provigil (also tried Ritalin and Adderall for a few days) and feel jumpy and shakey.. Interesting about the med from Canada. I belong to a natural thyroid group and someone just posted about their Armour thyroid prescription ordered from online from a Mexican (?) pharmacy. The package was conviscated by the Customs/FDA. She got a letter that said the drug she ordered was available in the USA and there was no need to buy it outside the country. (Problem is, many drs do not believe in natural Armour thyroid, only Synthetic Synthroid which is not the same thing)..Sorry so long--but how ironic how? BTW my pdoc is super! She whips out the PDR when she is unsure about something; even knows if a higher dose pill is cheaper ("just cut it in half") She did tell me once that some drs have gotten sued becuz the drugs they have prescribed have made addicts out of the patients. I don't mean to insult your intelligence but, did you know that Provigil is not the same class of stimulant as Adderall, Dexedrine, or even Ritalin? That is probably why she gave it to me first. I ALWAYS had trouble with SSRIs causing drowsiness and provigil was used to help counteract this. I better stop for now. Hope I answered your questions...You DID have a question..didn't you? I get very carried away when I start to write..
Posted by jlbl2l on May 10, 2004, at 20:15:46
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by florence on May 10, 2004, at 19:51:51
florence,
i happen to be an expert on chronic fatigue syndrome. i work with the president of the national chronic fatigue foundation's president (gail kansky) and am HIGHLY knowledgable on all the latest information and theories - including the latest (the ciguatera epitope/& Martin's stealth virus findings). I am in contact with many researchers regarding CFS and FMS. If you would like we can pursue this discussion via email. Let me know.
jlbl2l
Posted by florence on May 12, 2004, at 11:44:39
In reply to Attention - florence - CFS - I may be able to help, posted by jlbl2l on May 10, 2004, at 20:15:46
>I was very happy to read your post. I would appreciate communicating with you. I am having an especially bad week-so fatigued that I can hardly type this message. To simplify: I have been bedridden with fatigue since January. CFIDS was ruled out about 5 years ago when I was experiencing the same relentless fatigue. In hindsight, I am almost POSITIVE that the Lupron shots (leuprolide acetate-GnRh agonist or LH agonist?) I received altered my hypothalamus. I was completely FINE last year while on the Lupron shots. FM is now listes as a possible side effect of Lupron but CFIDS is not. But since many people have both FM and CFIDS, I suspect a Lupron connection. I do not have any joint pain and no immune problems or infections. just the relentless fatigue.I was told by several drs that it was probably depression. But ADs have not really helped; often exacerbated my fatigue. Provigil helped me for a long time but is doing next to nothing now; possibly helping me feel more alert even though I am still in bed. I would be most grateful to you for any insight you can share. I keep very up-to-date on CFIDS and FM research. But Nova Bouknight of the CFIDS (?) info center emailed me that she had never heard of Lupron and was rather surprized that no one had ever inquired about its use. (She has been at the CFIDS (?) Center for over 11 years.. I really have to stop now-my mind is not focusing very well. I am probably going to try Klonopin next but I don't have much hope that it will do much...since nothing else had helped much. Since Sonata (zaloplom) lifted my mood when taken with the provigil..my current research involves the GABA or whatever...but I am too foggy to pursue it any more right now.. Please keep in touch..unlike most people: when I am off the laptop, it is usually becuase I do NOT feel well. Thanks for listening and contributing!
>
> i happen to be an expert on chronic fatigue syndrome. i work with the president of the national chronic fatigue foundation's president (gail kansky) and am HIGHLY knowledgable on all the latest information and theories - including the latest (the ciguatera epitope/& Martin's stealth virus findings). I am in contact with many researchers regarding CFS and FMS. If you would like we can pursue this discussion via email. Let me know.
>
> jlbl2l
Posted by jlbl2l on May 12, 2004, at 23:35:57
In reply to Re: Attention - florence - CFS - I may be able to help, posted by florence on May 12, 2004, at 11:44:39
my email is [email protected] please email me when you feel you have the energy. i know i can help you.
-jlbl2l
Posted by Tony P on May 13, 2004, at 20:38:15
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin? » florence, posted by chemist on May 10, 2004, at 13:06:40
I have been on Zopiclone (aka Imovane) - that's the longer-acting one available in Canada - for far too long (most of the last few years). Like the benzodiazepines, it develops tolerance, although not as quickly. Initially 7.5 mg worked for me, but then I had to bump it to 15 (with Dr's approval), and now I find it takes 30 mg (NOT approved) to get me three or four hours sleep. I may have some cross-tolerance from the benzos I take, too.
I don't think I have true chronic fatigue syndrome, but I sure have many of the symptoms (plus sleep apnea which doesn't help). I haven't slept more than three hours straight through more than once or twice in the last six months. I know it's time to stop the Zopiclone - but what else to do? I was already on 4 mg klonopin a day; my MD is having me try Xanax 30 mg at bedtime, and drop the klonopin to 2 mg/day, but the Xanax seems to me to be very mild and slow to work.
Where's that magic pill???!!!
Tony
> > I am chronically fatigued. [...] I want to know if Sonata or Ambien even, act on GABA the same way.. I have had no luck with lamictal, trileptal, zyprexa, neurontin, etc. There is a theory that NMDA is more activated than GABA in patients with "actual" Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Thanks for any help.
>
> hello there....sonata and ambien bind to sub-units of the GABA receptor in a different fashion than do benzodiazepines, although the resultant anxiolytic effects (or hyponotic/sedative) are from the same mode of action with the receptor....i recall a very short action for sonata, and it being used (mostly) for people who have trouble falling asleep; ambien lasts longer, and is used when one has trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. the site-selectivity in the GABA type A receptor probably accounts for some non-benzodiazepine characteristics of these drugs, e.g., preservation of duration spent in a couple(?) of sleep stages....hope this helps a bit, and all the best, chemist
Posted by Tony P on May 13, 2004, at 21:27:58
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by Tony P on May 13, 2004, at 20:38:15
Correction - before someone says "Holy Cow - HOW much Xanax are you on???". It's Serax 30 mg. (oxazepam) I just started, not Xanax.
I would be interested to hear others' experience with different benzodiazepines for long-term insomnia and realted sleep disorders.
I thought Dalmane was the standard for waking-up after short sleep type insomnia, but my MD says he always prescribes Serax -- unfortunately I couldn't remember the other name at the time, so I couldn't ask him specifically about Dalmane. I know one or two of the benzos originally recommended for sleep got a bad "rep" in North America due to a few people abusing them, but I believe they're still used in Europe.
Tony
Posted by chemist on May 13, 2004, at 23:44:07
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by Tony P on May 13, 2004, at 21:27:58
> Correction - before someone says "Holy Cow - HOW much Xanax are you on???". It's Serax 30 mg. (oxazepam) I just started, not Xanax.
>
> I would be interested to hear others' experience with different benzodiazepines for long-term insomnia and realted sleep disorders.
>
> I thought Dalmane was the standard for waking-up after short sleep type insomnia, but my MD says he always prescribes Serax -- unfortunately I couldn't remember the other name at the time, so I couldn't ask him specifically about Dalmane. I know one or two of the benzos originally recommended for sleep got a bad "rep" in North America due to a few people abusing them, but I believe they're still used in Europe.
>
> Tonyhello tony, chemist here....dalmane, restoril, and halcion - the big three of sleep meds in the benzo category (tangential or not) - are still prescribed in the u.s. dalmane and restoril for me were a quick plunge into 14+ hour sleep; halcion is faster acting with a shorter elimination half-life, but the anterograde amnesia and ``hangover'' are not insignificant. can you try ambien (zolpidem), which is quite clean? your feedback is appreciated, and all the best, chemist
p.s. the ``bad rep'' benzo is Rohypnol, aka flunitrazepam.....no longer available in the u.s. for about 2 years or so.....
Posted by Tony P on May 14, 2004, at 0:13:18
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin? » Tony P, posted by chemist on May 13, 2004, at 23:44:07
Thanks for the info, if the Serax isn't working for me by the time I next see my MD, I'll at least have the names of the other choices ....
My understanding of ambien (zolpidem) is that it's structurally very similar to the zopiclone that's no longer working for me (I'm an ex-chemist myself), so I'm almost certainly cross-tolerant; and the main difference is it's shorter acting, whereas I need something longer acting, like trazadone which I can no longer get here in Canada. Maybe your 14+ hrs. of sleep would translate into 8 hrs. for me in my present state of hyperexcitability and high tolerance.
I'd just like to break the vicious cycle I'm in now, of sleep deprivation leading to hyperactivity leading to more bad sleep patterns, with occasional switches to depression hypersomnia. I know there are other things I can (and should) do, like exercise and not posting on psychobabble at 3 AM, but of course I want the magic pill too!
Thanks again for the input,
Tony
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> hello tony, chemist here....dalmane, restoril, and halcion - the big three of sleep meds in the benzo category (tangential or not) - are still prescribed in the u.s. dalmane and restoril for me were a quick plunge into 14+ hour sleep; halcion is faster acting with a shorter elimination half-life, but the anterograde amnesia and ``hangover'' are not insignificant. can you try ambien (zolpidem), which is quite clean? your feedback is appreciated, and all the best, chemist
Posted by chemist on May 14, 2004, at 0:16:56
In reply to Re: Does Sonata/Amb.act on the same GABA as Klonopin?, posted by Tony P on May 14, 2004, at 0:13:18
tony, give zolpidem a try before defaulting to trazadone, which i do admit to have a personal bias against.....after that, look into the benzos halcion, restoril, and lastly, dalmane...you might want to skip right ahead to the benzos, they have been wonderful - if not too wonderful, in many cases - in my experience.....all the best, chemist
> Thanks for the info, if the Serax isn't working for me by the time I next see my MD, I'll at least have the names of the other choices ....
>
> My understanding of ambien (zolpidem) is that it's structurally very similar to the zopiclone that's no longer working for me (I'm an ex-chemist myself), so I'm almost certainly cross-tolerant; and the main difference is it's shorter acting, whereas I need something longer acting, like trazadone which I can no longer get here in Canada. Maybe your 14+ hrs. of sleep would translate into 8 hrs. for me in my present state of hyperexcitability and high tolerance.
>
> I'd just like to break the vicious cycle I'm in now, of sleep deprivation leading to hyperactivity leading to more bad sleep patterns, with occasional switches to depression hypersomnia. I know there are other things I can (and should) do, like exercise and not posting on psychobabble at 3 AM, but of course I want the magic pill too!
>
> Thanks again for the input,
>
> Tony
> ----------------------
> > hello tony, chemist here....dalmane, restoril, and halcion - the big three of sleep meds in the benzo category (tangential or not) - are still prescribed in the u.s. dalmane and restoril for me were a quick plunge into 14+ hour sleep; halcion is faster acting with a shorter elimination half-life, but the anterograde amnesia and ``hangover'' are not insignificant. can you try ambien (zolpidem), which is quite clean? your feedback is appreciated, and all the best, chemist
>
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