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Posted by Jaynee on December 23, 2003, at 21:24:24
I have been on effexor for about 3 to 4 weeks, lost track. I have been feeling worse on effexor than better. Have not been sleeping and having a bad time with anxiety. I am only on 75mg, and I think maybe I should just quit.
Went into the walkin clinic and saw a doctor, who basically told me to just start exercising and about some study about triathletes and his triathlete friend, etc and how exercise helps sleep. I told him I was too tired to exercise, because I wasn't sleeping and he said how can you be to tired to exercise and not fall asleep. I said because that is how the beast anxiety works. I said unless you've been there you can't relate. He started to yell and tell me I was making presumptions about him, etc, and I said well obviously you haven't experienced this or you wouldn't have told me that all I needed to do was exercise. I told him I didn't come to argue with him and proceeded to walk out when he started yelling at me to come back, "you come back here right now, get back here." He started to walk after me yelling at me. Needless to say I was in tears when I got home.
I am really scared now to go back to my pdoc, because I know he is going to get a note from this weirdo doctor and they seem to look out for one another. I also came to realize that no-one especially doctor can help me and it made me really sad and scared. I just don't know how I am going to get better. I was way better before I started effexor, should I quit or keep trying?
Help.
Thanks.
Posted by Laree on December 23, 2003, at 22:31:34
In reply to I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by Jaynee on December 23, 2003, at 21:24:24
Effexor XR was an AD I couldn't tolerate; I had a very negative reaction to it. At first, when we just thought it wasn't working (but I felt something was off) my pdoc wanted to up the dosage. Well, on my own terms I refused to do that, assuming that what I was feeling on the 75 mg. dose would just be exacerbated with a higher dose. I just knew it wasn't for me...I did not feel good on it. I felt anxious and depressed, if I can recall correctly. After a bad suicidal episode, they quickly took me off of it and put me on another SSRI, which I did have success with. Anyway, if I were you, I would try to find a new pdoc. Is that possible for you? There ARE some great ones out there, sometimes you just have to "try out" some and see where the best fit is. That doc you saw who yelled at you sounds like he's got some issues of his own; it sounds as though he was very defensive. That's his problem--keep in mind that he owns that problem, NOT you. A doctor should never yell at a patient. It is not good practice and it's not right. You were right to walk out of his office. You don't have to subject yourself to that kind of abuse, and you let him know it! Good job! Best of luck!
I have been on effexor for about 3 to 4 weeks, lost track. I have been feeling worse on effexor than better. Have not been sleeping and having a bad time with anxiety. I am only on 75mg, and I think maybe I should just quit.
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> Went into the walkin clinic and saw a doctor, who basically told me to just start exercising and about some study about triathletes and his triathlete friend, etc and how exercise helps sleep. I told him I was too tired to exercise, because I wasn't sleeping and he said how can you be to tired to exercise and not fall asleep. I said because that is how the beast anxiety works. I said unless you've been there you can't relate. He started to yell and tell me I was making presumptions about him, etc, and I said well obviously you haven't experienced this or you wouldn't have told me that all I needed to do was exercise. I told him I didn't come to argue with him and proceeded to walk out when he started yelling at me to come back, "you come back here right now, get back here." He started to walk after me yelling at me. Needless to say I was in tears when I got home.
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> I am really scared now to go back to my pdoc, because I know he is going to get a note from this weirdo doctor and they seem to look out for one another. I also came to realize that no-one especially doctor can help me and it made me really sad and scared. I just don't know how I am going to get better. I was way better before I started effexor, should I quit or keep trying?
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> Help.
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> Thanks.
Posted by Jaynee on December 23, 2003, at 23:29:13
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me » Jaynee, posted by Laree on December 23, 2003, at 22:31:34
Thanks so much for your kind words, it really helped me.
I was really upset by that episode with the doctor. I thank god I have my sister to talk to, and that there are people like you out there, because that experience with the doc would have sent me over the edge otherwise. I have decided that effexor is not the drug for me. I am going to try and wean myself off of this drug. When I was on Celexa, it started to work within the 2nd week. I just feel so awful right now. I cried for 2 hours straight. I haven't allowed myself to cry for at least a year if not 2 years now. Maybe I needed to release some pain, but I think effexor is making me really sad and down and worse anxious.
Thanks again, your words really helped.
Posted by Mr. Scott on December 23, 2003, at 23:29:42
In reply to I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by Jaynee on December 23, 2003, at 21:24:24
Effexor did not work for me either. Turned out I was actually bipolar II. That doctor sounds like a big jerk. I would find another one who will listen. Don't give up hope.
Scott
Posted by ian24 on December 23, 2003, at 23:33:41
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me » Jaynee, posted by Mr. Scott on December 23, 2003, at 23:29:42
No matter what you said a Doctor should not yell at you. You should go to another Doctor.
Posted by linkadge on December 24, 2003, at 6:50:47
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by ian24 on December 23, 2003, at 23:33:41
Yes, I have to agree that the doctor does sound like he has problems of his own. This is incredably dumb advice to give somebody especially when they're fried like this. Excercise won't help when you're in a state of HPA axis dysregulation that you are in.
Anyhow go back to a doctor (a different doctor if necessary) and simply explain that effexor is making you feel worse, explain all the symptoms that it has brought on. A good doctor (one that is well versed) will know very well that some peope don't react well to effexor.
You are going to want to try something different.
Perhaps celexa, or another SSRI will bring you relief.If a doctor mentions the incident, simply say that that "you may not know more about medicine than doctors do, but you do know more about yourself"
There comes a point where you must trust yourself more than the doctors. They're not the ones living in your body.
Best of Luck
Linkadge
Posted by gardenergirl on December 24, 2003, at 9:45:33
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by linkadge on December 24, 2003, at 6:50:47
I agree, find a new doctor if that is possible, but also realize, as others have pointed out, that the problem was his!
I was told by my doc that I really needed to "think more positive thoughts" and that would help my atyical depression. Right. I'll tell my diabetic husband he just needs to make more insulin, too! Some people just don't get it.
Good luck and take care of yourself!
Posted by TheOutsider on December 24, 2003, at 19:44:02
In reply to I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by Jaynee on December 23, 2003, at 21:24:24
Hey Jaynee
Your UK right? I am.
Sorry if this post is a little incoherent, I'm quite tired.
I have never taken effexor, but I think that if it was going to help you it would have done so by now, so I would probably stop.
I think you should maybe make a complaint about the doctor who saw you. I know its hard, but the only way that doctors like that can be contained is if people complain.
If your worried about the crazy doctor ruining your reputation with your P doc I would just try and explain how he behaved, no reasonable person would accept that behaiver.P.S Doctors do not always look out for each other, my current P doc appologies for my previes ones behaiver, although he is private!
Sorry about spelling am dyslexic
Posted by Jaynee on December 24, 2003, at 20:56:46
In reply to Docs behaiver was totaly unnaceptable, typical UK!, posted by TheOutsider on December 24, 2003, at 19:44:02
Hi Outsider, I am in Canada. And I have quit the effexor today, and started back on Celexa. I am sure I will start to feel better soon.
Thanks for your kind words.
Posted by Jaynee on December 24, 2003, at 21:00:03
In reply to I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by Jaynee on December 23, 2003, at 21:24:24
I quit the effexor and went back on celexa today. Hopefully I will get better soon. I actually got in to see my usual doctor, and he is such a good guy, what a difference.
Anyways, hopefully it all works out, he also gave me zelnorm for my stomach, so hopefully that will work too.
Thanks again and Merry Christmas all.
Posted by Rvanson on December 25, 2003, at 5:49:30
In reply to I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by Jaynee on December 23, 2003, at 21:24:24
> I have been on effexor for about 3 to 4 weeks, lost track. I have been feeling worse on effexor than better. Have not been sleeping and having a bad time with anxiety. I am only on 75mg, and I think maybe I should just quit."
Go with your feelings. That much I have learned.
> Went into the walkin clinic and saw a doctor, who basically told me to just start exercising and about some study about triathletes and his triathlete friend, etc and how exercise helps sleep. I told him I was too tired to exercise, because I wasn't sleeping and he said how can you be to tired to exercise and not fall asleep. I said because that is how the beast anxiety works. I said unless you've been there you can't relate. He started to yell and tell me I was making presumptions about him, etc, and I said well obviously you haven't experienced this or you wouldn't have told me that all I needed to do was exercise. I told him I didn't come to argue with him and proceeded to walk out when he started yelling at me to come back, "you come back here right now, get back here." He started to walk after me yelling at me. Needless to say I was in tears when I got home.File a compliant with the AMA or similar organization. People like this need to be peer reviewed and fined, IMO.
> I am really scared now to go back to my pdoc, because I know he is going to get a note from this weirdo doctor and they seem to look out for one another. I also came to realize that no-one especially doctor can help me and it made me really sad and scared. I just don't know how I am going to get better. I was way better before I started effexor, should I quit or keep trying?
>Yes, they do often cover up each others mistakes and often reapeat the same regimine of meds that didnt work before, after getting the records from a past doctors office.
My advice: Dump this freaking out-of-control Quack pronto! How can he help you if he cannot control HIS emotions ?
If it were me and he was yelling like that at me, I might well have "gotten physical" with him, if you know what I mean (wink-wink).
I'm too old and tired to put up with garbage like that from a doc taking 100 of my hard earned dollars for a 10 or 15 minute "office visit".
The last thing people with mental illness need is doctors who are incompetant and rude, like this joker.
After over 20 years of this illness, I can assure you that there are plenty of shingle hangers that dont know how to handle anything out of the ordinary. No way you will get them to prescribe non-FDA meds that accutally work, for petes sake !Thats why I have decided to go on my own these days after studying the symptoms vs effective medications, like so many others here have done.
HMO's and the FDA have made the practice of mental heathcare a giant mess, IMO.
Posted by nicky847 on December 25, 2003, at 10:33:48
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by Rvanson on December 25, 2003, at 5:49:30
Jaynee-
Your doc sounds like he needs the effexor more than you do..good for you that you recognized hes not the doc for you and good luck to you in finding one that will help you more..there ARE good docs out there..unfortunately its alot of trial and error..> > I have been on effexor for about 3 to 4 weeks, lost track. I have been feeling worse on effexor than better. Have not been sleeping and having a bad time with anxiety. I am only on 75mg, and I think maybe I should just quit."
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> > Went into the walkin clinic and saw a doctor, who basically told me to just start exercising and about some study about triathletes and his triathlete friend, etc and how exercise helps sleep. I told him I was too tired to exercise, because I wasn't sleeping and he said how can you be to tired to exercise and not fall asleep. I said because that is how the beast anxiety works. I said unless you've been there you can't relate. He started to yell and tell me I was making presumptions about him, etc, and I said well obviously you haven't experienced this or you wouldn't have told me that all I needed to do was exercise. I told him I didn't come to argue with him and proceeded to walk out when he started yelling at me to come back, "you come back here right now, get back here." He started to walk after me yelling at me. Needless to say I was in tears when I got home.
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> File a compliant with the AMA or similar organization. People like this need to be peer reviewed and fined, IMO.
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> > I am really scared now to go back to my pdoc, because I know he is going to get a note from this weirdo doctor and they seem to look out for one another. I also came to realize that no-one especially doctor can help me and it made me really sad and scared. I just don't know how I am going to get better. I was way better before I started effexor, should I quit or keep trying?
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> Yes, they do often cover up each others mistakes and often reapeat the same regimine of meds that didnt work before, after getting the records from a past doctors office.
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> My advice: Dump this freaking out-of-control Quack pronto! How can he help you if he cannot control HIS emotions ?
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> If it were me and he was yelling like that at me, I might well have "gotten physical" with him, if you know what I mean (wink-wink).
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> I'm too old and tired to put up with garbage like that from a doc taking 100 of my hard earned dollars for a 10 or 15 minute "office visit".
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> The last thing people with mental illness need is doctors who are incompetant and rude, like this joker.
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> After over 20 years of this illness, I can assure you that there are plenty of shingle hangers that dont know how to handle anything out of the ordinary. No way you will get them to prescribe non-FDA meds that accutally work, for petes sake !
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> Thats why I have decided to go on my own these days after studying the symptoms vs effective medications, like so many others here have done.
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> HMO's and the FDA have made the practice of mental heathcare a giant mess, IMO.
Posted by Jaynee on December 25, 2003, at 13:24:37
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me, posted by nicky847 on December 25, 2003, at 10:33:48
I quit effexor yesterday and took a celexa 20mg instead, and took another celexa today and I already feel 80% better. I hate to slam med's but obviously effexor wasn't working with my body chemistry.
It seems so weird how that works. Now I am waiting for effexor withdrawal, but so far so good, maybe because I was only on it for 4 weeks, and started 20mg of Celexa right away, I might get lucky and have no problems.
I think my game plan is going to be to stay on the Celexa for about a month or two and then try and add something to the Celexa to help with energy, since Celexa tends to make me lethargic. I guess I will have to start a new thread for what is best to add on to Celexa for energy.
Thanks again all.
Posted by Donna Louise on December 25, 2003, at 15:47:37
In reply to Quit effexor yesterday and feeling way better, posted by Jaynee on December 25, 2003, at 13:24:37
Wow Jaynee, this guy is truly a lunatic. Not that I haven't been myself a lunatic from time to time..guess it takes one to know one..
What I wanted to say is that you probably won't get withdrawals since you have started another serotogenic drug. That has been my experience anyway.
Posted by Alexander on December 26, 2003, at 22:56:37
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me » Jaynee, posted by Laree on December 23, 2003, at 22:31:34
> Effexor XR was an AD I couldn't tolerate; I had a very negative reaction to it. At first, when we just thought it wasn't working (but I felt something was off) my pdoc wanted to up the dosage. Well, on my own terms I refused to do that, assuming that what I was feeling on the 75 mg. dose would just be exacerbated with a higher dose. I just knew it wasn't for me...I did not feel good on it. I felt anxious and depressed, if I can recall correctly. After a bad suicidal episode, they quickly took me off of it and put me on another SSRI, which I did have success with. Anyway, if I were you, I would try to find a new pdoc. Is that possible for you? There ARE some great ones out there, sometimes you just have to "try out" some and see where the best fit is. That doc you saw who yelled at you sounds like he's got some issues of his own; it sounds as though he was very defensive. That's his problem--keep in mind that he owns that problem, NOT you. A doctor should never yell at a patient. It is not good practice and it's not right. You were right to walk out of his office. You don't have to subject yourself to that kind of abuse, and you let him know it! Good job! Best of luck!
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> I have been on effexor for about 3 to 4 weeks, lost track. I have been feeling worse on effexor than better. Have not been sleeping and having a bad time with anxiety. I am only on 75mg, and I think maybe I should just quit.
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> > Went into the walkin clinic and saw a doctor, who basically told me to just start exercising and about some study about triathletes and his triathlete friend, etc and how exercise helps sleep. I told him I was too tired to exercise, because I wasn't sleeping and he said how can you be to tired to exercise and not fall asleep. I said because that is how the beast anxiety works. I said unless you've been there you can't relate. He started to yell and tell me I was making presumptions about him, etc, and I said well obviously you haven't experienced this or you wouldn't have told me that all I needed to do was exercise. I told him I didn't come to argue with him and proceeded to walk out when he started yelling at me to come back, "you come back here right now, get back here." He started to walk after me yelling at me. Needless to say I was in tears when I got home.
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> > I am really scared now to go back to my pdoc, because I know he is going to get a note from this weirdo doctor and they seem to look out for one another. I also came to realize that no-one especially doctor can help me and it made me really sad and scared. I just don't know how I am going to get better. I was way better before I started effexor, should I quit or keep trying?
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the procedure for Canada (Ontario) you would find here:While they may be a bit different in the UK, keep in mind the most often and effective defence for MDs is the "limitation defence" (statute of limitations) in torts.
On top of all there is some stuff u have to do before u can go to court (supposedly and ridiculously) (in Kitchener a man was raped, for example, in hospital, went to the courts right away, and the college of physicians and surgeons, the branch that supposedly regulates the profession in the interest of the people, went to claim that the charge is null and void because the guy didn't first complain with the college, the (self-) regulatory body for physicians.[needless to say that this caused a "slight outrage", resulting in a settlement, and that very quickly, which always include(s) "shut up for money", thus making it impossible to further talk about it - either because u do not know, or because u can/might get disbarred.]
http://www.ontla.on.ca/french/documents/Bills/36_Parliament/session1/M96041e.htm
Anyway:
Try to look up something similar for the UK.
What is interesting, though, is that the Ontario College, even though it has a "complaint form" on its site, does not tell the people that the legislator (probably under pressure from the Union) has two steps to be applied before that in order to file civil charges.
So check out this two page paper (it is in English) write in paragraph form how your rights were violated for each and every point under section "3"(bold).
...and then form a few conclusions as to how this may indicate professional misconduct, incompetence and/or BATTERY (in which case the onus of proof lies fully with the MD, a charge that can be filed when treatment was done w/o consent, which must be
voluntary (coercion/duress = battery, even if no damage)
Informed
w/o misinterpretation)Write this letter nicely to ur MD and tell him that u r doing this pro forma and not to request an apology and/or "due to personal reasons".
As a meter of fact you could write somewhere at the end that you do not appreciate having been put into this situation (of having to write him all of this stuff).Then u write the same stuff the college of physicians and surgeons and to your MP and MPP with: "input re. issues pertaining to self-regulatory bodies" (there's always a committee that investigates something).
See a lawyer that has been certified on the health sector.
If ur complaints are valid and not just "grudge" it will be well worth it, for:
you
the attorney
the people, as MDs that went though civil litigation usually make much better MDs, in the future, if they ever practice again
(P.S.: I haven't totally read ur total post thus cannot even guess if it may be valid)P.P.S.: try to use the phrase "in good faith" (including footmarks") rather more than less (e.g. I seriously believe "in good faith" that...)
But always try and keep in mind:
"a strong man knows how to fight for his rights and not hit back." ---M. Luther King Jn.there is some class action going on against Effexor, too. If u would like to be one of the plaintiffs, let me know I can direct u to the site where u can sign up. On the other hand, if this is a matter against the MD and not the drug, do not do that, because it will lend u more credibility that u go for what u believe was wronged and that was the MDs duty to inform u, or whatever it was.
Hope that helps.
P.S.: always take digital recorders with u to all appointments (e.g. ICDR's from sony - data can be transferred onto hard drive) ...as MDs like to change records slightly (some, at least) this can be played in response, instantly nullifying the MDs credibility on all sectors in question as falsifying records is a serious offence.
(I know it's expensive, but it is WELL worth it - and don't let them tell u that it is "criminal" to tape conversations, which it is not, as one party is aware of it, namely u (if u can admit it in the courts is another issue, but there are always ways)cheers
Posted by Jaynee on December 31, 2003, at 2:10:05
In reply to Re:need help, went to doc and he freaked -PROCEED, posted by Alexander on December 26, 2003, at 22:56:37
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