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Posted by tony_sa on November 17, 2003, at 18:31:04
Hi everyone - -
thank you to all those that post frequently on this board. it is nice to read some continuity from individuals like Ace.
I am 23 almost 24. Had serious SA since about 18. Was on Paxil, for 3 years, nominal difference if at all, but recnetly (about a month ago) switched to another SSRI - prozac. I mentioned to my doctor nardil and he literally stood in shock that i would actually bring up such a pill. He said that there is no way i could get it and it was WAAAY too dangerous. He said its ridiculous to ask about nardil when there are many other 'safer' drugs.
i've read many many posts on nardil and realize that a lot of the fears are just hyped up. but my question is... should i be doing everything i can to get nardil? is it really the panacea those like myself need? i don't know what to take or do, but know i want a life much happier than it is now. I'm sick of being nervous every day of my life.
looking for some help... tony
Posted by crazychickuk on November 18, 2003, at 14:45:36
In reply to social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 17, 2003, at 18:31:04
Erm if i were you i would try every ssri out there then snri then nassa then trylic THEN maoi.. just my opinion.. also for me i found an snri made me manic but it also was good for socializing i was on top of the world i.e effexor ...
Posted by ditzypixy on November 18, 2003, at 14:51:12
In reply to social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 17, 2003, at 18:31:04
i know herbs mightnt be considered as strong as stuff the doctor can give you,but have you ever tried valerian?its actually really good,you can get it in healthfood shops. i felt like that when i was about 15, crippling anxiety just walking down the street,sweating with fear,thinking what the people behind me were thinking of me,until i just tried to fight it off,the way i see it,if someone like that really is behind you(i dunno if this is how it affected you,i could be way off the mark),which is unlikely cos people are usually wrapoped u in their own little worlds,but if they are,theyre obviously extremely insecure themselves. have you tried to get another doctor who does dispense what you want?
Posted by tony_sa on November 18, 2003, at 17:24:00
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by crazychickuk on November 18, 2003, at 14:45:36
> Erm if i were you i would try every ssri out there then snri then nassa then trylic THEN maoi.. just my opinion.. also for me i found an snri made me manic but it also was good for socializing i was on top of the world i.e effexor ...
do you still take effexor? i recently (month now) been on prozac. just this last sunday had a HORRIBLE anxiety day, which leaked into yesterday. but today better. i dunno, i suppose i need to give prozac some more time?thanks!
Posted by john b stevens on November 18, 2003, at 18:40:23
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by crazychickuk on November 18, 2003, at 14:45:36
The great majority of U.S. psychiatrists have no experience using MAOIs. They simply don't get exposed to it in their training, hence they are scared to use them because of the possible interaction with tyramine containing foods. Nardil and Parnate are great meds. However, I would agree with CrazychikUK and try 1 or 2 ssris, an snri, and a tca before an MAOI--just so I could drink all the beer I want!
Posted by tony_sa on November 18, 2003, at 18:46:47
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by john b stevens on November 18, 2003, at 18:40:23
thanks again everyone for their responses! here's the deal... i'm skeptical of everything, i mean advice. i SO badly want to find the miracle drug that will give me my life back. it sounds like nardil (at least on here and www.socialfear.com) is possibly the drug to take. i could EASILY live without beer and cheese if that meant my social anxiety was greatly reduced. However, is it just people on this site that think nardil is the drug to take? as my doctor seems to think this is the case? that some double-blind studies showing nardil to work also show paxil towork.
Questions is - how does someone in CAlifornia, under an HMO get this pill? or is it only possible through the internet?
anyone had any experience with prozac for SA? does it help at all?
Posted by zeugma on November 19, 2003, at 18:50:46
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 18, 2003, at 18:46:47
Klonopin is probably second to Nardil for efficacy in social phobia. I've just started it and have had some problems with sleep-related side effects, but I probably have some form of narcolepsy. Starting my second week at 0.25 mg/day. Some definite anxiety reduction effect, and being around people is less painful.
Posted by tony_sa on November 19, 2003, at 19:07:08
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by zeugma on November 19, 2003, at 18:50:46
> Klonopin is probably second to Nardil for efficacy in social phobia. I've just started it and have had some problems with sleep-related side effects, but I probably have some form of narcolepsy. Starting my second week at 0.25 mg/day. Some definite anxiety reduction effect, and being around people is less painful.
thanks for the info... i gathered this much from www.socialfear.com as he says something similar.. how do you know that this drug is efficacious? I mean on social fear it is thought of highly, which it may be so, but are there other sites that speak of klonopin?
Have you had any of these drawbacks yet?
Possible Drawbacks of Long Term Benzodiazepine Use:
* Depression may be aggrevated.
* Reduced mental sharpness may occur.
* Reduced motivation may occur.
Posted by zeugma on November 19, 2003, at 20:33:42
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 19, 2003, at 19:07:08
> > Klonopin is probably second to Nardil for efficacy in social phobia. I've just started it and have had some problems with sleep-related side effects, but I probably have some form of narcolepsy. Starting my second week at 0.25 mg/day. Some definite anxiety reduction effect, and being around people is less painful.
>
> thanks for the info... i gathered this much from www.socialfear.com as he says something similar.. how do you know that this drug is efficacious? I mean on social fear it is thought of highly, which it may be so, but are there other sites that speak of klonopin?
>
> Have you had any of these drawbacks yet?
>
> Possible Drawbacks of Long Term Benzodiazepine Use:
> * Depression may be aggrevated.
> * Reduced mental sharpness may occur.
> * Reduced motivation may occur.
>
it's too soon to know about long-term side effects. Every med has side effects. I have gotten the impression that reduced motivation is as much a problem with long-term SSRI use as with the benzodiazepines. Depression seems to be a side effect peculiar to Klonopin, but I am on a highly effective antidepressant (nortriptyline), with depression mostly in remission.All the studies I have seen suggest Klonopin is highly effective for social anxiety, and many here on this board have said the same.
Posted by tony_sa on November 19, 2003, at 21:01:19
In reply to Klonopin efficacy in social phobia » tony_sa, posted by zeugma on November 19, 2003, at 20:33:42
>
> it's too soon to know about long-term side effects. Every med has side effects. I have gotten the impression that reduced motivation is as much a problem with long-term SSRI use as with the benzodiazepines. Depression seems to be a side effect peculiar to Klonopin, but I am on a highly effective antidepressant (nortriptyline), with depression mostly in remission.
>
> All the studies I have seen suggest Klonopin is highly effective for social anxiety, and many here on this board have said the same.
>
>Thanks for your response!
Depression was something I never knew i had till a couple years into SA. Just a couple weeks ago the doctor announced to me, for the first time, i was clinically depressed. I believe that it is just a symptom of this debilitating SA but as he puts it, it becomes another disorder if depression sits in for too long.
So, obviously if i were going to pick or choose one disorder for another i would choose none. (As depression knocked me out of working for a while). But if there are anti-depressents that work alongside this SA pill, it might be the right companion. Thanks for the advice!
Posted by Alexander on November 20, 2003, at 9:33:28
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 19, 2003, at 19:07:08
> > Klonopin is probably second to Nardil for efficacy in social phobia. I've just started it and have had some problems with sleep-related side effects, but I probably have some form of narcolepsy. Starting my second week at 0.25 mg/day. Some definite anxiety reduction effect, and being around people is less painful.
>
> thanks for the info... i gathered this much from www.socialfear.com as he says something similar.. how do you know that this drug is efficacious? I mean on social fear it is thought of highly, which it may be so, but are there other sites that speak of klonopin?
>
> Have you had any of these drawbacks yet?
>
> Possible Drawbacks of Long Term Benzodiazepine Use:
> * Depression may be aggrevated.
> * Reduced mental sharpness may occur.
> * Reduced motivation may occur.
>totally:
if u go to school, or so, my advice:
...finger off of Klonopin/Rivotril/clonazepamI took it for a while, yes it has a great anxiolytic potential, but at a great cost as well. Valium is the only bezo that the books give a higher rating on anxiolytic effect. That's what I am currently taking.
But, in any case, I would seriously suggest that you get yourself a new doctor, that you find yourself the "patient Bill of Rights" the US one cannot be that different from the Canadian, which says that MD and patient are to communicate as "equals" or on "equal footage". I don't remember.
It is your life,
you have the right to self-determination,
you have the right to pursue happiness
Will you want to give all of that up because of some ignorant "person"?
"as equals" - that means if he doesn't know of what he is talking about, he ought to listen to you and do some research - medicine is a job of "life-long learning" - that just comes with the huge salary.
now tell your doc he should check his attitude or his license at the door, (before he goes and sees patients), become a real physician and/or refer you to one that is one and will take over, as it is his responsibility.
Posted by tony_sa on November 20, 2003, at 16:40:13
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help! » tony_sa, posted by Alexander on November 20, 2003, at 9:33:28
>
> totally:
> if u go to school, or so, my advice:
> ...finger off of Klonopin/Rivotril/clonazepam
>
> I took it for a while, yes it has a great anxiolytic potential, but at a great cost as well. Valium is the only bezo that the books give a higher rating on anxiolytic effect. That's what I am currently taking.
>
> But, in any case, I would seriously suggest that you get yourself a new doctor, that you find yourself the "patient Bill of Rights" the US one cannot be that different from the Canadian, which says that MD and patient are to communicate as "equals" or on "equal footage". I don't remember.
> It is your life,
> you have the right to self-determination,
> you have the right to pursue happiness
> Will you want to give all of that up because of some ignorant "person"?
> "as equals" - that means if he doesn't know of what he is talking about, he ought to listen to you and do some research - medicine is a job of "life-long learning" - that just comes with the huge salary.
> now tell your doc he should check his attitude or his license at the door, (before he goes and sees patients), become a real physician and/or refer you to one that is one and will take over, as it is his responsibility.
>
>Wow. thanks for the thorough message. helps a lot! you know what you said about the doctor is so true. part of my problem is i'm intimidated by figures in authority, so of course i am more than uneasy about questionoing the authority of the doctor. i find that i may visit the doctor with one attention but the doctor 'changes' my mind, ie my last experience when i brought up what he later scowled at - nardil .
i've never heard of this bill of rights, and i wish i knew how to find another doctor, especially since i'm assuming many psychiatrists act like they know all there is about medicine and i'm just a novice.
well, i guess we'll see what happens!
Posted by Alexander on November 21, 2003, at 2:12:42
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 20, 2003, at 16:40:13
> >
> > totally:
> > if u go to school, or so, my advice:
> > ...finger off of Klonopin/Rivotril/clonazepam
> >
> > I took it for a while, yes it has a great anxiolytic potential, but at a great cost as well. Valium is the only bezo that the books give a higher rating on anxiolytic effect. That's what I am currently taking.
> >
> > But, in any case, I would seriously suggest that you get yourself a new doctor, that you find yourself the "patient Bill of Rights" the US one cannot be that different from the Canadian, which says that MD and patient are to communicate as "equals" or on "equal footage". I don't remember.
> > It is your life,
> > you have the right to self-determination,
> > you have the right to pursue happiness
> > Will you want to give all of that up because of some ignorant "person"?
> > "as equals" - that means if he doesn't know of what he is talking about, he ought to listen to you and do some research - medicine is a job of "life-long learning" - that just comes with the huge salary.
> > now tell your doc he should check his attitude or his license at the door, (before he goes and sees patients), become a real physician and/or refer you to one that is one and will take over, as it is his responsibility.
> >
> >
>
> Wow. thanks for the thorough message. helps a lot! you know what you said about the doctor is so true. part of my problem is i'm intimidated by figures in authority, so of course i am more than uneasy about questionoing the authority of the doctor. i find that i may visit the doctor with one attention but the doctor 'changes' my mind, ie my last experience when i brought up what he later scowled at - nardil .
>
> i've never heard of this bill of rights, and i wish i knew how to find another doctor, especially since i'm assuming many psychiatrists act like they know all there is about medicine and i'm just a novice.
>
> well, i guess we'll see what happens!ok,
I don't know where u live, thus I cannot give u any "advice". If u happened to live in Canada, I could give u a few very effective hints.
...talking about the "Bill of Rights"
---they are two different documents with the same name in canada and in the states.In Canada it is more like a document that tells the MD to get down from his high horse (and shows and instructs the people as to how to use a "lasso", which stands for "or else"... It is a document that is only "nicknamed" 'Bill of Rights, 1996', is "fortunately" not a 'guideline' enacted by the 'colleges' but has been enacted in the house of commons.
The US Bill, I think is more something like formalities like that u have the right to know each and every individuals name that has had anything to do with your "treatment" from the doctor nurse, even the individual that counted your pills in the hospital. It gives you the right to refuse medical treatment, but itmay be much more. I just don't remember it anymore.
My recommendation to you:
get onto the webpage of your state's college of physicians and surgeons and do some reading. Try to educate your doctor, and if he resists report him for incompetence (not to mention professional misconduct). And lastly: get yourself an MD that knows his stuff. They are out there, not easy to find, but not quite like WMD - talk talk talk, but nowhere to find. Most importantly: when u terminate ur md-patient relationship, make it very clear (in your essay) that u do that because u seriously believe that he cannot help you, that you have a right to it and that he please find u someone that can/will. Because as long as u under the care of a doctor, they cannot abandon you. And by referring you to another doctor, the other doctor consents to take u as his patient, in which case he cannot abandon you either.Do some reading, yourself, about your problems and the various treatments, because u have to assume that
a) the MD has not touched a medical journal in years
b) thus he understandibly may be afraid to engage in certain "therapies" - it's like using a device without having read the manual.This will give him "back-up". Because, after all, the last thing that they wish is to lose their license. They, too, have families to feed.
In other words: help comes to those that are willing to help themselves. DO IT.
Alex
Posted by jparsell82 on November 21, 2003, at 17:31:11
In reply to social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 17, 2003, at 18:31:04
> Hi everyone - -
>
> thank you to all those that post frequently on this board. it is nice to read some continuity from individuals like Ace.
>
> I am 23 almost 24. Had serious SA since about 18. Was on Paxil, for 3 years, nominal difference if at all, but recnetly (about a month ago) switched to another SSRI - prozac. I mentioned to my doctor nardil and he literally stood in shock that i would actually bring up such a pill. He said that there is no way i could get it and it was WAAAY too dangerous. He said its ridiculous to ask about nardil when there are many other 'safer' drugs.
>
> i've read many many posts on nardil and realize that a lot of the fears are just hyped up. but my question is... should i be doing everything i can to get nardil? is it really the panacea those like myself need? i don't know what to take or do, but know i want a life much happier than it is now. I'm sick of being nervous every day of my life.
>
> looking for some help... tony
Hey, just to let you know. I have serious problems with Social Anxiety & also some obsessive thinking & depression. I'm currently on 2mg Xanax XR, 20mg Prozac a day plus I take the smart drug Piracetam and a few supplements. I've also tried about all the ssris and effexor with little success. The best one for me was Prozac... it helps with obsessive worrying and depression without making me too tired. It only helps anxiety a little though so I also take Xanax XR(Note: I've took Klonopin before too and would prefer it by my doc insists on Xanax before Klonopin) Benzodiazepines are said to cause some cognitive impairment if taken for long periods of time. From taking Klonopin, I myself did notice my memory was worse. But I then I discovered Piracetam... it's relatively cheap and it's legal as a nutritional supplement now here in the US. Anyways, I found a study that shows Oxiracetam(almost same as Piracetam except for more potent) when combined with Valium helped to reduce cognitive impairment some. Here's the study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3594460&dopt=AbstractIt really does help, I don't notice any cognitive problems taking my Xanax XR when I take Piracetam 1600mg 2x a day. I'll list a Piracetam source below. If I were you I'd stick with the Prozac and ask your doc if he'll let you combine it with Klonopin.
You can get good info on Piracetam and other mental enhancers here:
http://imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=SF&f=6
Good luck!
Posted by zeugma on November 21, 2003, at 19:14:12
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by jparsell82 on November 21, 2003, at 17:31:11
Starting third week of Klonopin, definite decrease in anxiety, as I noted previously others' facial expressions appear a lot less 'threatening' (leading me to think my SA was actually affecting my organs of perception- rather disquieting...)
My pdoc grilled me about Klonopin side effects, particularly the kinds of things mentioned here (cognitive impairment and the like). He noted that one of my major complaints has been lack of arousal or activation (I have severe inattentive ADD), and he wondered what effect a 'tranquillizer' could have on that. I told him that my anxiety has itself caused some attentional impairment, by making me avoid necessary tasks because they're so anxiety-provoking. The only side effects I've noted so far are sleep disruptions (hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations) that I believe are narcolepsy-related. I'm continuing on the same dose of Klonopin (0.25 mg around 6 am) because that dosage and timing minimizes the sleep disruption.
I do know, regarding the issue of cognitive impairment, that much of my mental energy went into agonizing over my dealings with others, and if the Klonopin keeps working like this my higher-order functioning will get a massive boost.
Posted by tony_sa on November 22, 2003, at 3:36:07
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by jparsell82 on November 21, 2003, at 17:31:11
>
>
> Hey, just to let you know. I have serious problems with Social Anxiety & also some obsessive thinking & depression. I'm currently on 2mg Xanax XR, 20mg Prozac a day plus I take the smart drug Piracetam and a few supplements. I've also tried about all the ssris and effexor with little success. The best one for me was Prozac... it helps with obsessive worrying and depression without making me too tired. It only helps anxiety a little though so I also take Xanax XR(Note: I've took Klonopin before too and would prefer it by my doc insists on Xanax before Klonopin) Benzodiazepines are said to cause some cognitive impairment if taken for long periods of time. From taking Klonopin, I myself did notice my memory was worse. But I then I discovered Piracetam... it's relatively cheap and it's legal as a nutritional supplement now here in the US. Anyways, I found a study that shows Oxiracetam(almost same as Piracetam except for more potent) when combined with Valium helped to reduce cognitive impairment some. Here's the study:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3594460&dopt=Abstract
>
> It really does help, I don't notice any cognitive problems taking my Xanax XR when I take Piracetam 1600mg 2x a day. I'll list a Piracetam source below. If I were you I'd stick with the Prozac and ask your doc if he'll let you combine it with Klonopin.
>
> http://www.sherwyns.com/shop/product_view.asp?id=18045&StoreID=VNP3KN5J3HSR2L1D0G03N0ET9VTJ27C2&private_product=1
>
> You can get good info on Piracetam and other mental enhancers here:
>
> http://imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=SF&f=6
>
> Good luck!Hi... thankk you for your indepth response. I will log this message and look up the links (after i'm done with college finals and major essays this month) .
yeah i'm on prozac (that's it) right now. it seems to be helping with the depression. I WISH it fixed social anxiety stuff. i daily deal with the nervous, sweaty hands stuff constantly.
i'm a bit skeptical on nutritional supplemants because of the controversy/debate surrounding them. but its ALWAYS worth look into it.
thanks again.
Posted by tony_sa on November 22, 2003, at 3:39:59
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help! » jparsell82, posted by zeugma on November 21, 2003, at 19:14:12
> Starting third week of Klonopin, definite decrease in anxiety, as I noted previously others' facial expressions appear a lot less 'threatening' (leading me to think my SA was actually affecting my organs of perception- rather disquieting...)
>
> My pdoc grilled me about Klonopin side effects, particularly the kinds of things mentioned here (cognitive impairment and the like). He noted that one of my major complaints has been lack of arousal or activation (I have severe inattentive ADD), and he wondered what effect a 'tranquillizer' could have on that. I told him that my anxiety has itself caused some attentional impairment, by making me avoid necessary tasks because they're so anxiety-provoking. The only side effects I've noted so far are sleep disruptions (hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations) that I believe are narcolepsy-related. I'm continuing on the same dose of Klonopin (0.25 mg around 6 am) because that dosage and timing minimizes the sleep disruption.
>
> I do know, regarding the issue of cognitive impairment, that much of my mental energy went into agonizing over my dealings with others, and if the Klonopin keeps working like this my higher-order functioning will get a massive boost.
>
>yeah klonopin seems to offer a lto for anxiety. i totally can relate to facial expressions. amazing how powerfully detrimental they can be, especially, when were trying to use eye to eye contact (which most of the time i fail at) . well, i forgot are you taking anything to supplemenat any cognitive delay?
also - your very right at how anxiety can already cause cognitive delay. i mean if i or you are constantly fixated on anxiety, especially social interaction, how could we ever pay attention and really stay intuned to anything else? maybe the trade off is worth it?
Posted by zeugma on November 22, 2003, at 15:48:10
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 22, 2003, at 3:39:59
the tradeoff is going to different for every person. Labels like 'nootropic' and dumb drug', thrown around so much by sites like http://biopsychiatry.com, are highly misleading if not virtually useless IMO. Alcohol is certainly a 'dumb drug,' in fact far dumber than any commonly prescribed psychotropic, and yet I was able to write graduate-school papers on copious amounts of it and get A's... because my constant anxiety was quelled long enough to string thoughts together coherently (even though there was a relatively brief 'window of opportunity' before the motor activity of writing became impossible... alcohol is a drug with a truly frightening adverse-effect profile, and that makes it impractical as a treatment for long-term anxiety).
If you try Klonopin, just be alert for any effects both good and bad. That goes for any drug.
Posted by jparsell82 on November 23, 2003, at 12:55:23
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by zeugma on November 22, 2003, at 15:48:10
Yeah, the Klonopin may really help your problems with Attention & concentration because of atleast in my case, anxiety is mostly what causes my attention & concentration problems in social situations. But my short-term memory was definitely affected by Klonopin but has been now restored with Piracetam. You shouldn't have anything to be cautious with Piracetam. It used to be a prescription drug in Europe and because side effects are very rare and it's almost impossible to overdose they brought to the US over the counter. There are many studies you can look up on Piracetam. Here's a start:
Posted by zeugma on November 23, 2003, at 13:15:26
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by jparsell82 on November 23, 2003, at 12:55:23
At what dose, and at what point timewise did you notice problems with short-term memory on Klonopin?
Posted by jparsell82 on November 23, 2003, at 20:41:20
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help! » jparsell82, posted by zeugma on November 23, 2003, at 13:15:26
I started at 1mg in the morning daily. I noticed my mental sharpness wasn't as good from the first day I started taking it. In social situations it was actually better, because I could listen and think of a response more easily. Normally, without Klonopin, I would get so anxious to the point where when someone asked me a question I couldn't even take there question in and form a response because I would get too nervous to pay attention & concentrate(if that makes any sense to you) But with Klonopin when I'm not in a social situation like say at my house with nobody there. I would much easier forget where I would sit things down and such.
Posted by tony_sa on November 23, 2003, at 21:00:39
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by jparsell82 on November 23, 2003, at 20:41:20
> I started at 1mg in the morning daily. I noticed my mental sharpness wasn't as good from the first day I started taking it. In social situations it was actually better, because I could listen and think of a response more easily. Normally, without Klonopin, I would get so anxious to the point where when someone asked me a question I couldn't even take there question in and form a response because I would get too nervous to pay attention & concentrate(if that makes any sense to you) But with Klonopin when I'm not in a social situation like say at my house with nobody there. I would much easier forget where I would sit things down and such.
'- what if you already have had that problem? (always forgetting where you put stuff) i am ALREADY scattered. and yes in social situations sometimes i am so nervous i only think about one thing : making my mouth stop shaking so of course i can't pay attention to someone talking to me! i'm wondering how klonopin would affect someone that already considers themselves forgetful and scattered? yeah i know, only way to know is to try it youserlf.
btw, do you get sweaty hands when nervous? has that reduced your sweaty hands?
Posted by Viridis on November 24, 2003, at 1:00:04
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some help!, posted by tony_sa on November 23, 2003, at 21:00:39
Klonopin caused drowsiness, clumsiness, and short-term memory loss for me for about the first week or two. All of these side effects then went away, and haven't come back, but the relief from anxiety has remained. This seems to be a pretty standard pattern, although of course there could be exceptions.
Good luck
Posted by tony_sa on November 24, 2003, at 1:10:03
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some h, posted by Viridis on November 24, 2003, at 1:00:04
> Klonopin caused drowsiness, clumsiness, and short-term memory loss for me for about the first week or two. All of these side effects then went away, and haven't come back, but the relief from anxiety has remained. This seems to be a pretty standard pattern, although of course there could be exceptions.
>
>can you provide examples of 'no anxiety' i mean. obviously you still have SOME anxiety right? but how is it different? mind explaining the symptoms that went away after taking this medicine?
Posted by leopard on November 24, 2003, at 2:16:59
In reply to Re: social anxiety suffering... looking for some h, posted by tony_sa on November 24, 2003, at 1:10:03
I am on Effexor 75mg for Socail Phobia/Anxiety. It is the only thing that has worked for me.
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