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Posted by Burt on October 7, 2002, at 14:11:52
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » awake at last, posted by rod on October 7, 2002, at 11:25:41
When I was young, I was a heavy drinker. I think, I started at age 14. I later worked in a job, which was very alcohol tolerant (advertising), any kinds of drinks were on the house, all day. I'm amazed how we got any work done. At age 28, after a serious round of intensive partying, I woke up with a severe panic attack. In a lucid moment, I said to myself: "Have a drink. If the symptoms go anway, then it's the booze." The symptons went away and it was the last drink I had in my life. I'm in my mid 50's now.
My wife drinks. She can't kick it and it literally drives her crazy. Given enough alcohol, she is diagnosed as psychotic or even schizophrenic. Major tranquilizers (antipsychotics, such as Thorazine, Olanzapine etc.) worsen her symptoms.
SSRIs worsen the symptoms (not as much as antipsychotics).
ECT worked, but she doesn't want to repeat it.
MAOIs (Parnate) work.
What really would work is to give up drinking. She has a terribly hard time doing so.
She's an artist, and she thinks and sees the world in fine nuances. In the case of giving up drinking, this works against her.
I am a very linear, black/white type. This sometimes doesn't work for me in daily life, but it definitely helped me giving up drinking (and before that, smoking) cold turkey without any relapses.
I agree that you should never ever have another drink if you have given up. It simply is too dangerous. I don't care whether I am labeled a "recovering alcoholic," a "dry alcoholic," or a teetotaler. It doesn't matter. I simply don't drink.
Also, one side effect of giving up drinking was gaining considerable power. In my alcohol days, I avoided conflicts by getting drunk. Later, I had to face the conflicts and deal with them. After some years, conflicts didn't worry me anymore. I knew, I could deal with them.
Today, my only worry is my wife. That is very hard to deal with.
My opinion: Any "reasons" for drinking (glucose, parents, peer pressure, yada, yada) aren't worth thinking about. I could give you 1000 reasons to get drunk. And when you are an alcoholic, there is one thing you will always have in abundance: Reasons for drinking, and reasons for not giving up. Reasoning with alcohol is a losing proposition. Your either give it up. Or you don't.
Posted by awake at last on October 7, 2002, at 15:00:29
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » awake at last, posted by rod on October 7, 2002, at 11:25:41
No, I have not taken MAOI's, mostly anti-depressants such as Wellbutrin, Celexa and Effexor. But my major complaint was exhaustion, lack of motivation & inability to concentrate - not anxiety, although I had my moments. I was fortunate to finally be referred to an excellent Internist who wanted to exhaust his knowledge before sending me on to a pdoc - or I probably would have gone through many more meds for the wrong reasons.
Fortunately I don't have a history of Drug or Alcohol abuse - or any tragic event to cause depression, so my Internist truly felt my problems were medically derived. It still took us a year to figure it out (note I'd already spent 3 years with other doctors who ran a lot of test and told me I was fine, just getting old, or must have a deeper issue to resolve... whatever!....).
I suffer from Hypoglycemia, Narcolepsy, and Fibromyalgia (Narcolepsy was brought on by the Fibromyalgia). Basically - my immune system went haywire and turn on me - attacking good cells as well as bad. I take Provigil to help correct the Narcolepsy (not curable since our bodies won't replace the lost cells that caused this condition). To control the Hypoglycemia - I maintain the right diet - I feel much better! I've decided to start taking guaifenesin to try to reverse my fibromyalgia - I'm hoping it works.Pdoc's definitely have a place and a need in our society, but sometimes, especially in people who have a history of drug, alcohol abuse, etc, I think it is easy for them to overlook that their problems may be derived from a natural medical issue rather than one induced by outside factors.
My brother is hypoglycemic and an Alcoholic - I know that his panic attacks are driven from drinking. During his dry spells, when he watches what he eats - he suffers no depression or attacks. Unfortunatley he is a musician and for him playing in bars makes it too easy to take that first drink - and quickly that hypoglycemia cycle kicks in and the cravings come back. For him...a cure will mean a career change...and that is hard decision to make. Most of the people I see here - I believe are ready to do whatever it requires to get better.
I hope for you this might be an answer - if not, keep researching - in my adventures, the thing I found most is that knowledge truly is power. If I had left it up to the doctors to figure out what was wrong, I would still not feel well today - my research led me to question my doctors, to tell them things I wouldn't normally tell them (For example - why would I tell my Internist that I have brittle fingernails or TMJ - that's a dental thing right? - Wrong - it was another factor to diagnosing my Fibromyalgia). Had I not stumbled across the symptoms of Fibromyalgia and questioned my doctor on it - he never would have considered it.Good Luck!
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> > My 4 years of torture - going from doctor to doctor trying to figure out what was really wrong with me and determining how to fix it rather than downing pills that didn't help
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> Im just curious, did you ever try a MAOI (especially Moclobemide)??
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> Besides that, your info about hypoglycemia is very usefull. It might be the answer to my problems too ...
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> rod
Posted by FredPotter on October 7, 2002, at 22:42:15
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » rod, posted by awake at last on October 7, 2002, at 15:00:29
I don't play piano as my main source of income but I do play jazz regularly in bars. Every morning I pop an antabuse pill (while I'm only partially awake) and then I can forget alcohol. It's remarkably liberating. It's quite possible to drink soft drinks and play music. In fact I'm staggered by how much better I play
Posted by Burt on October 8, 2002, at 9:18:20
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » awake at last, posted by FredPotter on October 7, 2002, at 22:42:15
> I pop an antabuse pill (while I'm only partially awake) and then I can forget alcohol. It's remarkably liberating. <
Interesting. Antabuse gives you a violent reaction when mixed with alcohol. Chemically, it doesn't help you "forget" alcohol. The aim is that you remember the violent reaction and to avoid the booze in oder to avoid the violent reaction.
If you can really (honestly) "forget" alcohol with antabuse, then soon you will be able to do so without it. (I wouldn't rush to judgement on it though - if it works, it works.) Taking antabuse doesn't hurt you. But not drinking while not taking antabuse will be even more liberating.
Posted by Panic_Attack on October 8, 2002, at 19:09:45
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » awake at last, posted by FredPotter on October 7, 2002, at 22:42:15
That's another problem I have. I am a musician (flutist) for a rock band and we are always around alcohol. I cannot play @ a club or a bar and NOT drink. Impossible... its boring. Im @ work right now... Tomorrow is my day off so i cant wait to get out of here and hit the bar. Im better though... i dont drink as much as i use to. I can have 4 or 5 beers and be fine.... verses the 10-15 beers + liqour i use to have. Anyways... im @ work... my supervisor just pissed me off.. i feel like punching him in the face. FUCK!
Posted by Sean P on November 12, 2003, at 1:37:19
In reply to Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by Panic_Attack on September 27, 2002, at 11:13:59
I am 25 years old and I am getting the same exact things!!! I used to drink all summer long when I was 21 and up until last year even and just sleep it off and say oh well another hangover this is nothing and so on, until about 2 months ago when I woke up at 7 on Saturday wide awake with horrible anxiety and panic, I couldn't breathe and my heart would play with me, it really sucked. I started drinking wine or a beer in the morning and tried to go back to sleep but it's so hard. It started right before a wedding my friend had, I figured this will go away I can drink on weekends and it will be cool. Come to now I would drink on Sundays now and just count the hour till 1 or 2 so I could kill that hangover and panic, but it was so haaaard to get rid of that hangover of 10 beers plus by the end of the day I was so depressed and felt like going to the hospital because I was dying, it hit it's wits end the last few weeks and literally ruined 4 mondays in a row! My Mom saw me and was like not again with this, and yep I had it again and once again suffered through a horribly long day of anxiety and depression, one day it was just horrible and felt really dark and gloomy, real depressing. I am thinking about cutting down alot too and avoiding these hangovers, whether it is blood sugar or not that goes down it is flat out frustrating and scary, I used to handle this so well and say f it and laugh hangovers off, if it didn't go away I got a 40 on Sunday at 8 or so and watched football and it went away quick, not it seems hangovers can't even be drunk away! I feel everything you do and am pissed off because this is our life on weekends and I used to enjoy it so much, my friends still do (Not one he drinks all day when he has it to cope, he is an alcoholic to the fullest, I can see it when I look at him). This is a vicious cylce and no it won't go away and just dissapear into the dark. I used to sleep late like I said now it's 7 or 8 or earlier and then up until I get my butt outta bed, it is horrible to say the least. I feel you, but think you and me have to do something, glad others out there experienced this and can help (I am not alone!).
Posted by ramsea on November 12, 2003, at 3:07:32
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by Sean P on November 12, 2003, at 1:37:19
This was my experience. Also booze could lead to depression or mania. In any case I had to give up 100% because it is a substance that doesn't agree--like an allergy or an allergy exactly. Some people can't eat wheat, some can't eat peanuts, some can't eat strawberries. Chocolate brings on migraine in some people. Etc. So what do folks do? Almost always they avoid the offending substance 100% to prevent pain. This doesn't make you an alcoholic--just someone who finds alcohol makes you sick.If you give up for a few months, you could reintroduce a small amount--an honest small amount!!!! like a true single serving of white wine, say, just the one serving--and see if you get the bad reaction. If you don't then you can drink a single serving at appropriate moments! You could then try two glasses and see what happens.
Really we should be abiding by the health recommendations of alcohol and so if you get panic/anxiety after over-drinking, that is less unusual. Many people get panicky and sick after boozing up. It's being toxic. Poisoned. I hope you resolve this as it can cause very much grief unresolved, and that horrible feeling upon an anxiety attack induced by alcohol use is totally bleak, a terror. Milk can help, before a drinking session and after, plus really excellent hydration, small sips of clear water throughout night, good protein to avoid blood sugar problems...But best bet, discover how alcohol intolerant you really are.
Posted by panic_attack on November 12, 2003, at 10:22:01
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by ramsea on November 12, 2003, at 3:07:32
Hey guys... well its been over a year since I posted this babble and I must admit that I am still having the same problems. I am now 23 years old and unemployed :( I got fired b cuz of my drinking. I was always so ill that I had to call out of work alot. I was their best employee... they loved me but they had to do what they had to do. Now I am going on 1 week sober (and counting) and need to find another job. Im sick of feeling sick. I wish that I can quit drinking 100%. Everybody I know drinks... we live in South Beach so there are always parties and events going on. My friends drink like fishes and have no complaints the next morning whereabout I feel like dying. They all think im crazy but they have no idea how sick I get. I shake... I cant do anything.. cant go outside.. .wont answer the phone... cant breathe right... heart plays tricks on me... feel so weak that I could die BUT I cant sleep. I thought I was the only one that experienced this. Surprised to see other posts with people w/ same experience. I had a drug overdose and thats why Im having these problems. Just cant party like I use to. Gotta slow down!! We'll see what happens.
Posted by Marlin on November 12, 2003, at 20:57:19
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by panic_attack on November 12, 2003, at 10:22:01
Hey Everyone, I just discovered this website last night and couldn't believe what I was reading. I couldn't believe there were so many other people out there that had the same problems as me and understood exactly how I felt, because out of everyone I know, nobody seems to get it. I stumbled upon this through a web search "panic after eating".
It seems I may have finally figured out part of my problem. Reading 'Awake at last' posts made me think I might have hypoglycemia.
I have so much to say it's hard to start - I guess I'll try to be brief, but it'll be hard with 8 years worth of mental problems.
My problems started after I graduated college and had major panic attacks. Of course at the time I had no idea what the hell was going on - I thought I was having a nervous breakdown. Got a psychiatric evaluation - put me on Klonopin. That helped, but since I drank so much it was life threatening. Quit cold turkey - freaked out and had a relapse. Started Paxil (30mg) and eventually leveled out. Saw a psychologist for a while and ended up becoming more anxious afterwards than I was to begin with, so I quit. Drank very heavily - you all know the stories - black outs / 24hr. binges / don't remember parking car / DUI in '96 - totalled my car. Gained a ton of weight on Paxil, started to ween myself off of it 3 times and had relapses every single time. Saw a Psychiatrist for 18 months - he was an asswipe and ended up really hurting me. Then I saw a psychotherapist who was awesome - saw her for two years. By this time I was 27, I had quit using cocaine, ecstasy, acid, mushrooms, and crack. Yep, I even smoked crack for Christ's sake. Gained major ground with her - referred me to a neurologist - diagnosed me right away - textbook case of ADD. Got on Ritalin. I found a whole new world - I could actually concentrate and focus like I never have before. Still on Paxil (10mg.) I eventually developed a 'tick', which plaqued me for a whole year ... all most likely stemming from the Ritalin and took Tenex to counteract this. Switched to Adderall - but got me too loopy. Switched to Concerta, lost the tick - thank God. Considerably cut down on my drinking for the first time in 12 years. Admittedly I get drunk, but once every two weeks vs. minimum twice a week - fall down drunk. 4th time was the charm, finally weened myself off of Paxil - I think I've kicked it for good. Haven't taken any since August '03. Still take Concerta and that's all. Considering trying non-stimulant based Straterra, but am very hesitant.
I told you I had a lot to say! I really hope people aren't bored by this, it's just hard to sum up 8 years of mental anguish. Right now I think I have a pretty good handle on things. But lately I've felt like I've somewhat regressed in terms of the panic/general anxiety. It seems like I get panicky after I eat... but the symptoms are inconsistent. But after reading the posts above, maybe I'm onto something. At this point I am so used to panic attacks, they barely phase me anymore. But the panic that drags on for hours and hours and even days is what makes me want to drive full speed off a bridge. I went through some very good periods of up to 6 months where I felt great, but I was on Paxil, plus all the 'self medicating'. Now I have eliminated many things that I know contribute to panic, and still have long, dragged out panic attacks. I've really come a looooong way and this pisses me off to no end. I'm so sick of this. Maybe there's some truth about what I'm eating and my blood sugar. Check out this lady's story, I couldn't believe how long she suffered..... very interesting:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/hypoglycemia.htmlThe thought of changing my diet completely PLUS quitting drinking forever is absolutely terrorizing for me. I don't know if I can handle that. I can definitely empathize with 'panic_attack' - it's so 10 times as hard to contemplate when all your friends are total booze hounds and seem to be fine. It's almost like I'd have to find all new friends... and at 30 it's no easier than if you're 23. I wonder if hypoglycemia is indeed part of my problem that I can diet such that drinking responsibly won't continue to be a negative factor.
I'll end this before it turns into a novel. Just wanted to share my whole picture. How can I finally put this panic to bed for good?
Posted by Sean P on November 12, 2003, at 21:34:39
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by panic_attack on November 12, 2003, at 10:22:01
I haven't been the same since I used ecstacy one damn time!!! I wasn't near as nervous but after I had an anxiety attack from ecstacy in 98 I have been slowly getting worse and it has come to this, could one time do that? I am glad you looked and decided to post again on here because we can talk about our experiences and how much it sucks. Funny your friends all drink and mine do too, so I really can't get around it from what it seems, although one of my friends gets this too but he drinks every single day almost to get rid of his anxiety (He is dumb). I lost jobs too from this, calling in or just leaving work to go home because I was too nervous from drinking again, it really sucks. I can't believe this is happening to me. Have you tried to restore you intestinal health with Probiotics or Candida cleanse? I have heard alcohol ruins your intestinal track so this could be a blessing if you want to try it. Acidophilus and Candida Cleans are the name, try those if you can. I also recommend B Vitamins in higher doses as they have helped and Vitamin C as well, of course both free of additives and Sugar etc., they should help you a little bit with Anxiety. I would also recommend you try some Magnesium because that gets depleted like heck when you drink and it causes Anxiety and depression when depleted. Answer back and tell me how you are doing ok...
Sean
> Hey guys... well its been over a year since I posted this babble and I must admit that I am still having the same problems. I am now 23 years old and unemployed :( I got fired b cuz of my drinking. I was always so ill that I had to call out of work alot. I was their best employee... they loved me but they had to do what they had to do. Now I am going on 1 week sober (and counting) and need to find another job. Im sick of feeling sick. I wish that I can quit drinking 100%. Everybody I know drinks... we live in South Beach so there are always parties and events going on. My friends drink like fishes and have no complaints the next morning whereabout I feel like dying. They all think im crazy but they have no idea how sick I get. I shake... I cant do anything.. cant go outside.. .wont answer the phone... cant breathe right... heart plays tricks on me... feel so weak that I could die BUT I cant sleep. I thought I was the only one that experienced this. Surprised to see other posts with people w/ same experience. I had a drug overdose and thats why Im having these problems. Just cant party like I use to. Gotta slow down!! We'll see what happens.
Posted by Sean P on November 12, 2003, at 21:42:23
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by Sean P on November 12, 2003, at 21:34:39
One more thing, I have been catching overwhelming speedy thoughts this last week or two and can't slow it down for an hour or so, it's just sped up so much it's annoying! I also wake up some nights and have hallucinations while I am half asleep like seeing something and jumping up and nothing there, plus hearing a voice and waking up but it's the middle of the night and once again half asleep and confused it's crazy! Anyone ever wake up with the heart skipping and seeing things? I am not even drunk when I do it, but it is really scary lately! I am going to take my B Vitamins in full and Vitamin C to stop a deficiency and tell you guys if it really helps out, if it does I would be glad to tell you guys how well it does.
Posted by carolee on November 13, 2003, at 9:34:15
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by Marlin on November 12, 2003, at 20:57:19
hey guys -
it really is amazing how it seems that the majority of us who are writing in have had some drug issues in the past that seems to have brought about our anxiety/depression/panic/BP. i too used to do speed, acid, ecstasy, cocaine, and pot. my last time parting w/coke brought about my anxiety/panic attacks...which was about 15 yrs ago. i had stopped everything at that point, been on many prescription drugs for my problems, but nothing seems to help. iam trying to "natural" route.
i just came off lexapro - hated the SE's.
are we to live with suffering of these mental issues because of our fun filled past parting days!
this totally sucks.
i cant drink like i used to either, and when iam hung over, iam definately more sensitive to having panic attacks. i am shaky, heart pounding, can't go out of the house, talk on the phone...
its comforting to know others feel like this, but on the same hand, its so overwhelming to live like this!
Posted by Sean P on November 13, 2003, at 10:11:45
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by carolee on November 13, 2003, at 9:34:15
Oh yeah Carolee silly me to forget, the marijuana started the panic attacks in high school, only when I was too high did I get them but they came then, slowly started coming when I was sober soon after high school. Drugs do change your neurotransmitters I am afraid, what is a panic attack when you are high can come when you are sober one fine day after that, good looking pointing that out.
> hey guys -
> it really is amazing how it seems that the majority of us who are writing in have had some drug issues in the past that seems to have brought about our anxiety/depression/panic/BP. i too used to do speed, acid, ecstasy, cocaine, and pot. my last time parting w/coke brought about my anxiety/panic attacks...which was about 15 yrs ago. i had stopped everything at that point, been on many prescription drugs for my problems, but nothing seems to help. iam trying to "natural" route.
> i just came off lexapro - hated the SE's.
> are we to live with suffering of these mental issues because of our fun filled past parting days!
> this totally sucks.
> i cant drink like i used to either, and when iam hung over, iam definately more sensitive to having panic attacks. i am shaky, heart pounding, can't go out of the house, talk on the phone...
> its comforting to know others feel like this, but on the same hand, its so overwhelming to live like this!
Posted by mrporter1 on November 13, 2003, at 13:19:47
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by Sean P on November 13, 2003, at 10:11:45
Very interesting everybody. Over the past year or so, I've developed some of the same symptoms and have no idea why. Easily hungover (used to drink anything with no impact next day) - nauseated, headache, anxiety. I've had 2 major (and yes - day long) panic attacks the day after a party night. Sure this was the time it wasn't panic, but heart attack.
I have issues when eating certain things, too. High heart rate, anxiety - sometimes very bad. Especially if I eat very greasy things or eat way too much. It's terrible. Often afraid to even eat. Alcohol makes this worse, too - much worse.
Have had one episode (that I know of) of low blood sugar - almost fainted and recovered after drinking juice. I happened to have a glucometer and blood sugar was low. However, I haven't done a full glucose curve to see how it fluctuates. But now I'm wondering if there might be a blood sugar issue.
BTW...I take Wellbutrin XL, Atenolol (manage heart rate), Adderall during most days, Klonopin as needed.
Anyone know of other research resources?? Or next steps to take??
Posted by day on November 15, 2003, at 22:14:42
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by Sean P on November 12, 2003, at 1:37:19
I am certainly with all of you. I used to get drunk every weekend from the time I was 18-30. I'm now 36 and I only get drunk maybe once every 6 months. The main reason I cut back was because of the panic/anxiety. The next day after drinking a lot, I would wake up, my heart would race, sweating, feel like I am going to faint, fear that I was dying. Pretty scary. Not a normal hangover. I even went to see a cardiologist. He couldn't find anything wrong with me. He did suggest that my heartrate is very sensitive to things such as adrenaline, nicotine, decongestants, alcohol and anything similar. He did prescribe inderal (it slows the heart rate). I take it when I feel the need. I did take a blood sugar test, it was low and I went back the next day and it was normal. He said that could be it, so I don't know. And yes SeanP, I also wake up sometimes at night and see hallucinations. They're not as bad as they used to be but they still happen. I didn't mean to write so much but it's nice to know you're not alone.
Posted by Sean P on November 16, 2003, at 17:23:59
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » Sean P, posted by day on November 15, 2003, at 22:14:42
If you drink and your heart is racing again the next day (If it still does) then try some Magnesium Citrate Powder in water, it slows your heart down and can really calm you, it worked for me several times. Anyways I am glad (Not really glad but) that other people experience this and not just me, it seems it is more common than I think. I wonder what it really is? Anxiety problems as well? Sluggish livers? Something causes this and I hate it, I like to drink and it seriously can ruin a Sunday for me. I know not to be scared now when I feel like this and it will go away eventually, a fast beating heart is no threat really, it isn't even really that which gives people heart attacks so that relaxes me a little. I felt horrible again today and need to cut it out, not fun at all to say the least and not worth it alot of times. Stay up guys and slow down or cut back on the amount you drink, it probably will help us long term alot.
> I am certainly with all of you. I used to get drunk every weekend from the time I was 18-30. I'm now 36 and I only get drunk maybe once every 6 months. The main reason I cut back was because of the panic/anxiety. The next day after drinking a lot, I would wake up, my heart would race, sweating, feel like I am going to faint, fear that I was dying. Pretty scary. Not a normal hangover. I even went to see a cardiologist. He couldn't find anything wrong with me. He did suggest that my heartrate is very sensitive to things such as adrenaline, nicotine, decongestants, alcohol and anything similar. He did prescribe inderal (it slows the heart rate). I take it when I feel the need. I did take a blood sugar test, it was low and I went back the next day and it was normal. He said that could be it, so I don't know. And yes SeanP, I also wake up sometimes at night and see hallucinations. They're not as bad as they used to be but they still happen. I didn't mean to write so much but it's nice to know you're not alone.
Posted by mrporter1 on November 16, 2003, at 22:56:39
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?, posted by Sean P on November 16, 2003, at 17:23:59
Sean,
You're right - we should cut back. Seems so easy. I've thought about this a lot and I just think that for some of us there is so little pleasure and "easy" time - that a pleasurable alcohol experience is hard to resist. It would be so nice to figure out how to drink a moderate amount, enjoy it like normal people and not have a scary, terrible reaction the next day. Thanks for the mag citrate suggestion!
Posted by sackhoullier on November 17, 2003, at 15:15:45
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » Sean P, posted by mrporter1 on November 16, 2003, at 22:56:39
I've been drinking pretty heavily since I was 15. I've recently turned 30 - over the past year I've developed these same symptoms. I cut the booze out for 10 weeks for the first time in my life in September but started drinking again a month ago when my nan died - not because of the trauma but because I have a huge scouse / Irish / catholic family that sort of demands it (go on Mark, she'd have been well pissed off if you didn't get hammered at her funeral!) Anyway, the ten weeks off had made me feel a lot calmer, but a few weeks into getting bladdered again and I'm back to square one. Those weird chest fluctuations and gasping for breath when in bed freak me out, Sunday can be utterly destroyed by a half decent session in the pub... - Anyway, I'm packing it in again, maybe for good this time.
As others have said, it's oddly reassuring to discover that this isn't just me.
Posted by Marlin on November 17, 2003, at 18:18:15
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » Sean P, posted by mrporter1 on November 16, 2003, at 22:56:39
> Sean,
>
> You're right - we should cut back. Seems so easy. I've thought about this a lot and I just think that for some of us there is so little pleasure and "easy" time - that a pleasurable alcohol experience is hard to resist. It would be so nice to figure out how to drink a moderate amount, enjoy it like normal people and not have a scary, terrible reaction the next day. Thanks for the mag citrate suggestion!Porter I think you've really touched on something important here. For me, after having horrible bouts of panic for days at a time, sometimes it seems the only time I reach some inner peace is if I'm blasted. And that is indeed hard to resist sometimes. It's like I'd rather take the chance of potentially making things worse by having at least one night of fun, where I can relax and be myself. And then the whole 'friends' issue comes in... it seems right now it's just easier to give in and start drinkin' then explain to my friends why I'm not, or would rather not. Weakness on my part I suppose, but there are no easy answers. I did an experiment 2 years ago where I didn't drink for one month. At the time I was on Paxil and was feeling fine as it was. I lost 15 pounds and still ate like a hog. It was extremely difficult being the only sober guy at the party. I went to a wedding too... very boring. The experiment went well, I felt fine, but I'm just not convinced that quitting drinking altogether will improve my panic. I guess a poor analogy would be that cheeseburgers contribute to being overweight, but it doesn't mean you have to quit eating them forever if you want to stay thin.
Posted by Marlin on November 17, 2003, at 18:47:38
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?, posted by sackhoullier on November 17, 2003, at 15:15:45
Wow, that's impressive. 15 years and then you quit for 10 weeks. How long have you had panic? Have you taken any medication, been to a therapist? What was it like being around your family and not drinking? Were they understanding, or did they just break your balls all the time? What kinds of things did you do when you quit for 10 weeks? Still have fun?
What is 'Scouse'? How long do your panic attacks/chest fluctuations last?
Posted by Sean P on November 17, 2003, at 21:02:10
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿? » sackhoullier, posted by Marlin on November 17, 2003, at 18:47:38
Marlin, last night with the hangover still in me going to be I caught a bad moment when half in and out of sleep and felt like choking and jumped up with my heart skipping, this was VERY scary to say the least and I felt I was really losing it. Sometimes my thoughts will race so fast and scare me, it's like slowwwww down but I can only do that with 400mg of Magnesium Citrate powder, really a big help for Anxiety! Did you know Alcohol kills Magnesium in your body like crazy, and that is what keeps you calm and keeps your neurotransmitters in your head working correct? So our symptoms are B Vitamins being gone which is for our nervous system and key minerals and vitamins, both in which cause panic and anxiety attacks. Half our problem when we drink is malnutrition, it literally ruins healthy flora which helps you assimilate food, enzymes in your stomach which help digest, causes leaky gut (IBS), kills Vitamins and Minerals, so this is whats going on when we drink. I think cutting back would help all of us, that or just be a moderate drinker and not a 6 or 7 + drinker every single time we drink, it seems we always have to get hammered when we drink. I feel this is happening to all of us because of deficiencies and so on, which is the most I can come up with right now. Tell me what you think guys.........
Posted by Sean P on November 17, 2003, at 21:23:18
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?, posted by sackhoullier on November 17, 2003, at 15:15:45
Posted by Sean P on November 17, 2003, at 21:32:21
In reply to Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?!?!?, posted by Panic_Attack on September 27, 2002, at 11:13:59
I am not saying to just do this and go out and drink, but we need to replace B Vitamins and so on in our bodies which are probably causing a ton of the symptoms we are having, I did more research and came up with this for you guys.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/alcohol_protocol.html
Posted by KimberlyDi on November 18, 2003, at 7:48:14
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?, posted by Marlin on November 17, 2003, at 18:18:15
Try counting total days of sobriety, and not the uninterrupted period of sobriety. Look back on the year. Look at something 1 way, say you had 4 1-day relapses. There's saying 4 relapses, or there's saying you had 361 (365-4) days of sobriety. All in all, the less you drink, the better you'll be. Being human guarantees imperfection so be careful with the unattainable goals... It's all a state of mind. :)
Oh yeah, and life is dull being the only sober one.
KDi in TX
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> > You're right - we should cut back. Seems so easy. I've thought about this a lot and I just think that for some of us there is so little pleasure and "easy" time - that a pleasurable alcohol experience is hard to resist. It would be so nice to figure out how to drink a moderate amount, enjoy it like normal people and not have a scary, terrible reaction the next day. Thanks for the mag citrate suggestion!
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> Porter I think you've really touched on something important here. For me, after having horrible bouts of panic for days at a time, sometimes it seems the only time I reach some inner peace is if I'm blasted. And that is indeed hard to resist sometimes. It's like I'd rather take the chance of potentially making things worse by having at least one night of fun, where I can relax and be myself. And then the whole 'friends' issue comes in... it seems right now it's just easier to give in and start drinkin' then explain to my friends why I'm not, or would rather not. Weakness on my part I suppose, but there are no easy answers. I did an experiment 2 years ago where I didn't drink for one month. At the time I was on Paxil and was feeling fine as it was. I lost 15 pounds and still ate like a hog. It was extremely difficult being the only sober guy at the party. I went to a wedding too... very boring. The experiment went well, I felt fine, but I'm just not convinced that quitting drinking altogether will improve my panic. I guess a poor analogy would be that cheeseburgers contribute to being overweight, but it doesn't mean you have to quit eating them forever if you want to stay thin.
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Posted by ditzypixy on November 18, 2003, at 15:02:02
In reply to Re: Does Alcohol give you PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS?¿?, posted by Sean P on November 16, 2003, at 17:23:59
alcahol can increase all that sorta stuff,if youre in a bad mood initially,it can just serve to exacerbate it.
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