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Posted by The Shadow on August 9, 2003, at 0:51:58
Need stimulant help...I am having sri apathy,very lethargic,other symptoms etc.i dont want to become addicted and would like anyone with experience with these 3....
dexadrine,desoxyn,ritalin.I have tried ritalin and desoxyn they both feel the same to me but I am confused on what to stick with.
1-What's the most addictive and at what doses?
2-Can you use any of these on an as needed basis?
3-I know dexadrine is dextro and Desoxyn is Meth,what does this mean in the difference in amphetamine structure?
4-Will I become addicted no matter what?Any help would be great
Posted by Viridis on August 9, 2003, at 17:40:10
In reply to Stimulant help??, posted by The Shadow on August 9, 2003, at 0:51:58
I'm not sure which is "most addictive" -- I doubt any would be, if you're just using them appropriately to treat a medical condition. Addiction means that you become obsessed with a substance, keep taking more and more of it despite negative consequences, it disrupts your life, etc.
Medical dependency is a more likely consequence -- that means that your system becomes accustomed to a medication, and sudden discontinuation can cause withdrawal. This can occur with stimulants, benzodiazepines, antidepressants, over-the-counter painkillers, caffeine, some blood pressure drugs etc. Certain antidepressants appear to be most risky in this respect.
I've taken Adderall (an amphetamine mix) for a couple of years now on a daily basis, and skip it for a day or two here and there to help avoid building tolerance (the need for a higher dose to achieve the same effect). My pdoc encourages this, and I haven't noticed any withdrawal, cravings, etc. Of course, responses are highly individual, and you really need to work with a good psychiatrist to figure out what's best for you.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 9, 2003, at 23:14:39
In reply to Stimulant help??, posted by The Shadow on August 9, 2003, at 0:51:58
> Need stimulant help...I am having sri apathy,very lethargic,other symptoms etc.i dont want to become addicted and would like anyone with experience with these 3....
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> dexadrine,desoxyn,ritalin.I have tried ritalin and desoxyn they both feel the same to me but I am confused on what to stick with.
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> 1-What's the most addictive and at what doses?My position on the "addictiveness" of these drugs is the same as Viridis'. From what I understand, though, Ritalin is the one most often abused (usually by school kids though, who like to crush it and snort it, which provides a high very similar to cocaine).
> 2-Can you use any of these on an as needed basis?
Certainly -- if you can get away with only taking them as-needed, then you can help avoid development of tolerance.
> 3-I know dexadrine is dextro and Desoxyn is Meth,what does this mean in the difference in amphetamine structure?
As you said, Dexedrine is dextroamphetamine (chemical name: d-alpha-methylphenethylamine or d-desoxy-nor-ephedrine). Desoxyn is not just methamphetamine, but actually dextromethamphetamine, (chemical name: d-N,alpha-dimethylphenethylamine or d-desoxyephedrine [this translates to 'right-handed ephedrine, minus an oxygen]). Interestingly enough, the active ingredient in Vicks Inhalers is l-desoxyephedrine, aka levomethamphetamine. There are plenty of recipes on the net that describe methods of making "meth" from Vicks Inhalers, which I find pretty funny. Though it would be possible with the proper equipment, knowledge, and a lot of time on one's hands to change the chirality of l-meth to turn it into d-meth through oxidization and reamination, anyone with the chemical know-how this requires probably wouldn't be synthesizing d-meth from Vicks Inhalers.
Molecularly, the difference between d-amp and d-meth is the addition of a methyl group (CH3) to the amino group sticking off the middle carbon atom in the chain. Also interesting to note is that ephedrine differs from methamphetamine only by the addition of an alpha-hydroxy group (OH). Methylphenidate (Ritalin), on the other hand, bears no resemblance to any of these chemicals.
Here are some links to 2-d molecular images of these drugs:
Amphetamine--
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/images/archive/amphetamine_2d.gifMethamphetamine--
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/images/archive/methamphetamine_2d.jpgMethylphenidate--
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/methylphenidate/images/archive/methylphenidate_2d.gifEphedrine--
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ephedrine/images/archive/ephedrine_2d.gif> 4-Will I become addicted no matter what?
Once again, as Viridis said, dependence is likely -- if you take phenethylamine stimulants every day. Addiction is a whole other animal though.
With as-needed use, you should be safe from developing either dependence or significant tolerance.
Posted by The Shadow on August 9, 2003, at 23:47:51
In reply to Re: Stimulant help?? » The Shadow, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 9, 2003, at 23:14:39
What does it mean by"peripheral"effects and"mental"energy in describing effects of stimulants?
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 10, 2003, at 0:26:18
In reply to Re: Stimulant help?? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by The Shadow on August 9, 2003, at 23:47:51
> What does it mean by"peripheral"effects and"mental"energy in describing effects of stimulants?
Peripheral effects of stimulants are those which take place outside the nervous system. These would include faster heart rate, heart palpitations, higher blood pressure, and heart dysrhythmias.
The mental energy provided by stimulants is generally in the form of a very focused energy -- i.e. even someone with a terribly short attention span can sit through a movie attentively, study for hours, etc. Some other effects that may manifest themselves through the central nervous system include hyperactivity, restlessness, talkativeness, insomnia, dizziness, chills, stimulation (duh, lol), anxiety, dysphoria, irritability, aggressiveness, and headache.
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