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Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 12:51:02
I just got my order of Tranquili-G in today, and I very highly recommend everyone try this stuff. It's likely not to be legal for very long though, so I plan on stocking up. It's 4-pentanolide (aka gamma valerolactone, valeric acid)... the most foul-tasting thing on the planet, but my God, does it work. Feels incredibly similar to GHB (in the body 4-pentanolide is metabolized to 4-methyl-GHB by the same mechanism through which gamma butyrolactone is metabolized into GHB), but more anxiolytic, longer-lasting, less hypnotic and lacking the GHB dopamine rush. I'm taking it in addition to 300mg per day of Picamilon, which is also helping my SP/agoraphobia/dysthymia quite a bit. Try this stuff!!!!
Posted by Dragonslayer on March 25, 2003, at 13:26:57
In reply to OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 12:51:02
#It's likely not to be legal for very long though#
Why ??
How long have you been on it ??
Posted by daizy on March 25, 2003, at 13:30:06
In reply to OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 12:51:02
> I just got my order of Tranquili-G in today, and I very highly recommend everyone try this stuff. It's likely not to be legal for very long though, so I plan on stocking up. It's 4-pentanolide (aka gamma valerolactone, valeric acid)... the most foul-tasting thing on the planet, but my God, does it work. Feels incredibly similar to GHB (in the body 4-pentanolide is metabolized to 4-methyl-GHB by the same mechanism through which gamma butyrolactone is metabolized into GHB), but more anxiolytic, longer-lasting, less hypnotic and lacking the GHB dopamine rush. I'm taking it in addition to 300mg per day of Picamilon, which is also helping my SP/agoraphobia/dysthymia quite a bit. Try this stuff!!!!
Is this stuff for SP? what is it marketed as? I know you cant write the site so does it just come up in general search? I like your idea of stockpiling it, I think all good drugs should be stockpiled!
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 13:34:21
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!! » Ame Sans Vie, posted by Dragonslayer on March 25, 2003, at 13:26:57
It was just delivered this morning. I do know that development of tolerance is a non-issue with 4-pentanolide, though it is both physically and psychologically addicting. No different than GHB in that regard.
I'm just guessing it won't be around for long because it's such a potent and obvious GHB-analog.
I have a prescription for Xyrem (GHB), but I like this much better.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 13:47:04
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by daizy on March 25, 2003, at 13:30:06
It's marketed as a sleep aid and mood enhancer, and it actually more than lives up to the promises it makes, unlike just about every other OTC product out there. I gave some to my mother (who has GAD) and within 20 minutes she was raving about how wonderful it is. "Gives Valium a run for its money," she said. This coming from a woman with an enormous tolerance to benzos that's built up over 30 years.
Just do a search on Yahoo and a million sites will come up... the 15th site listed has the lowest price on it that I've found.
For the time being it's legal... and so is Picamilon. Both sold from within the U.S. So why can't we just give out the URLs??
Posted by Dragonslayer on March 25, 2003, at 13:48:17
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!! » Dragonslayer, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 13:34:21
Ah, got it. Converts to the same GHB - a friend of mine almost died from a little party usage. Good Luck to you, but I think I'll pass.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 14:02:43
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by Dragonslayer on March 25, 2003, at 13:48:17
It doesn't convert to GHB, 4-methyl-GHB is a different chemical. Products such as gamma butyrolactone and 1,4-butanediol that convert to GHB in the body are now illegal for human consumption. 4-pentanolide is a common flavoring agent and is listed on the FDA's "Generally Regarded As Safe" list. Not to mention that the lethal dose is astronomical, and the ceiling effect dictates that anything above a normal dose won't affect you any more.
The only reason it may become illegal one day is because some idiots like to just search around for new thigs to get high on. If you act rationally and use it responsily, it's an incredily safe chemical, as is GHB.
Posted by Dragonslayer on March 25, 2003, at 14:11:50
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!! » Dragonslayer, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 14:02:43
Wasn't trying to get all controversal. I don't claim any knowledge of the finer points psychopharmacology. If the actions are similar are the risks - and if not or so, why ?? I really want to know - in a way I can understand.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 14:29:31
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by Dragonslayer on March 25, 2003, at 14:11:50
As far as I can gather, there are five main reasons that GHV (gamma hydroxyvalerate, 4-methyl-GHB) could be considered less dangerous than GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate).
*Just a slight overdose of GHB can knock you out. No dose of GHV or 4-pentanolide will force you to sleep; it's much more anxiolytic than hypnotic.
*GHB causes a massive release of stored dopamine as its effects wear off; GHV does not.
*GHV does not cause the amnesia that makes GHB so conducive to rape.
*GHV does not cause euphoria like GHB does... if anything, it possesses a mild, Xanax-esque antidepressant quality.
*The lethal dose of GHV is around four times higher than GHB's, which is already very high to begin with (unless comined with other CNS depressants).
Posted by JohnQ on March 25, 2003, at 14:43:18
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!! » Dragonslayer, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 14:29:31
If it's legal in the US, then posting the URL isn't a problem.
Posted by JohnQ on March 25, 2003, at 14:45:23
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by JohnQ on March 25, 2003, at 14:43:18
Just found the site, it's www.1fast400.com
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 14:57:18
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by JohnQ on March 25, 2003, at 14:43:18
That's what I thought, but someone was reprimanded not long ago for posting a URL to buy Picamilon from...
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 15:00:50
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by JohnQ on March 25, 2003, at 14:45:23
Yep, that's the site... expensive as hell, but well worth it.
Posted by daizy on March 25, 2003, at 15:18:16
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!! » JohnQ, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 15:00:50
Yeah I also posted the site, not to buy picamilon but just for info and go told off by the good DR! Must be illegal? Surely not?! This GHV stuff sounds good but Im a little weary... is it short term or long term? Ive had problems self medicating before!! so will you keep us posted on how you get on, then I might seriously consider it! thanx....
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 15:27:37
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!!, posted by daizy on March 25, 2003, at 15:18:16
I personally plan on taking it (for now, anyway) on a strictly as-needed basis, though I tend to think there shouldn't be a problem taking it regularly (other than the cost, of course). Generally I'd say the cost and inability to escalate the dose for greater effect would make its abuse unlikely. If you're skeptical, they sell single doses for $3 at the site JohnQ posted. Couldn't hurt to give it a try!
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 15:38:05
In reply to Re: OTC Tranquili-G for SP, great stuff!! » daizy, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 15:27:37
I thought it was bad mixed with pineapple juice, but I just took my second dose and decided to take it straight. DO NOT DO THIS. It reminds me of acetone-free nail polish remover. My throat was literally trying to close up to keep me from swallowing it. I'm going to work on finding what best covers the taste over the next few days.
Posted by djmmm on March 25, 2003, at 18:46:41
In reply to Re: Don't drink this stuff straight... yuck!! » Ame Sans Vie, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 25, 2003, at 15:38:05
mix it with orange juice...you can hardly taste it...I don't mind posting a link...it's a legal supplement sold in the US..
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 26, 2003, at 13:34:46
In reply to Re: Don't drink this stuff straight... yuck!!, posted by djmmm on March 25, 2003, at 18:46:41
Thanks for the tip, the orange juice works great! Do you take GVL also, or have you taken it before?
Posted by djmmm on March 26, 2003, at 14:33:38
In reply to Re: Don't drink this stuff straight... yuck!! » djmmm, posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 26, 2003, at 13:34:46
well, honestly, I have probably had every variation/precursor of GHB, including GHB.
I no longer use it, because my social anxiety is under control with an MAOI....It has been several years.
food for thought...I often had a GHB like response to a combo of Neurontin and Topamax...
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on March 26, 2003, at 15:42:46
In reply to Re: Don't drink this stuff straight... yuck!!, posted by djmmm on March 26, 2003, at 14:33:38
Topamax and Neurontin, eh... sounds like an idea. I've tried them both separately and found them moderately helpful... I've tried Nardil up to 120mg before, but I think I may have been taking some of the "sub-potent" and subsequently recalled pills, as it had absolutely no psychological effect on me... and the side effects were very mild (sexual dysfuction, orthostatic hypotension) and that makes me wonder as well. Think I should give it another shot?
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