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Posted by Squiggles on November 21, 2002, at 7:39:42
Utopizen,
Carbamazepine is the drug now used for seizures;
As far as i know the risk of seizure with benzos,
is not being on so much, as coming off abruptly;
so the books say. My experience is coming off after
a long time. I don't quite understand why i was not
taken off with Valium or another drug. I think that
doctors, most doctors, and not just mine, would not
believe the possibility of having a seizure after
taking 1.0mg of K for such a long time. BUT some
benzos are potent, and this one is an anti-convulsant--
wonder if it has a special molecular property which makes
it a stronger anti-convulsant than the others, as they
are all said to be anti-convulsant to some degree.http://www.nursespdr.com/members/database/ndrhtml/carbamazepine.html
Squiggles
Posted by utopizen on November 21, 2002, at 9:30:03
In reply to Benzos and carbamazepine for seizure, posted by Squiggles on November 21, 2002, at 7:39:42
Lots of drugs are used for seizures, including Klonopin (2mg or more), Phenobarbital, Dilantin, and others. Often, these medications are combined with other anti-eppileptics.
If it weren't for seizures, I'm not sure barbituates would stand a chance with the DEA... let me see, I suppose they still have some use in some drug treatment clinics, possibly, but I'm not even sure of that, and know that benzos can be used often in that place anyway.
The DEA would probably cheer louder than psychiatrists if seizures and ADD were "cured" suddenly... lol -
I just read the DEA's Drug Diversion page, and Desoxyn's (methamphetamine) production quota is 1000 grams for 2003- a sharp decline from the already miniscule 19,000 grams last year. And this is after Ovation is planning to make a quick profit off of it by hyping it to doctors of treatment-resistant ADD patients... Someone at the DEA must have suddenly gotten mad upon hearing Ovation was planning to revive sales of the drug and is doing a pre-emptive "take that" on desoxyn. So militaristic, this war on drugs... heck, doesn't it wind up employing more people than the military anyhow? (after coast guard, prison guards, agents, etc. are tallied).
Posted by Squiggles on November 21, 2002, at 10:28:29
In reply to Re: Benzos and carbamazepine for seizure, posted by utopizen on November 21, 2002, at 9:30:03
And I thought i was the cynic :-)
Squiggles
Posted by Alan on November 22, 2002, at 10:49:41
In reply to Benzos and carbamazepine for seizure, posted by Squiggles on November 21, 2002, at 7:39:42
> Utopizen,
>
> Carbamazepine is the drug now used for seizures;
> As far as i know the risk of seizure with benzos,
> is not being on so much, as coming off abruptly;
> so the books say. My experience is coming off after
> a long time. I don't quite understand why i was not
> taken off with Valium or another drug. I think that
> doctors, most doctors, and not just mine, would not
> believe the possibility of having a seizure after
> taking 1.0mg of K for such a long time. BUT some
> benzos are potent, and this one is an anti-convulsant--
> wonder if it has a special molecular property which makes
> it a stronger anti-convulsant than the others, as they
> are all said to be anti-convulsant to some degree.
>
> http://www.nursespdr.com/members/database/ndrhtml/carbamazepine.html
>
> Squiggles
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Actually my doc here in the US uses klonopin or valium for withdrawal in cases where (rarely) needed and already uses tegetrol in the mix to help!Alan
Posted by Squiggles on November 22, 2002, at 11:00:35
In reply to Re: Benzos and carbamazepine for seizure » Squiggles, posted by Alan on November 22, 2002, at 10:49:41
Well,
i guess he knows the area; actually i asked
if i could go to an addiction centre run
by the hospital i go to-- i even called
them and asked if they did benzos and they
said yes, but there was a one month waiting
period and i would have to get a signature
from my doctor; i really think that
my docs did not believe it would be that
difficult getting off on the Chunk-0-Meter
- neither did i.Alternatively, they may have thought that i need
the drug because i am dx'd bipolar. Why else,
would be put on it for life?Squiggles
Posted by Alan on November 22, 2002, at 12:18:42
In reply to Re: Benzos and carbamazepine for seizure » Alan, posted by Squiggles on November 22, 2002, at 11:00:35
Posted by Squiggles on November 22, 2002, at 13:06:49
In reply to Re: Benzos and carbamazepine for seizure - I see.. (nm) » Squiggles, posted by Alan on November 22, 2002, at 12:18:42
I would like to add, so you don't get
the wrong idea, that i believe my doctor
sincerely hoped i could succeed in my
attempt to get off the K; even agreed that
i could use the Ashton method, if i wanted
to. I think that he saw how devasted i was
by the attempt (after the crisis i got something
like encephalitis and i still have remnants),
that he basically cooperated towards whatever
could bring me back to stability.I have no complaints about my care, just very
sad over the complexity and ingnorance that
surrounds this difficult area of psychiatry --
psychopharmacology. Infact, I believe that
if i were in the States now and in the hands
of some new policies i see, i may well be in
much worse shape -- i am referring of course
to Bush's new policies in mental health care.So, now i am taking 1.50mg.
Squiggles
Posted by utopizen on November 22, 2002, at 14:02:30
In reply to - I see.. (Alan, an elaboration on my doctor) » Alan, posted by Squiggles on November 22, 2002, at 13:06:49
> much worse shape -- i am referring of course
> to Bush's new policies in mental health care.
>
> So, now i am taking 1.50mg.
>
> SquigglesHow has Bush's policies affected psychopharma?
Didn't he say he wanted to make mental health
half of all med payouts by insurance co.'s?
I thought this was good?
Posted by Squiggles on November 22, 2002, at 14:23:32
In reply to Re: - I see.. (Alan, an elaboration on my doctor), posted by utopizen on November 22, 2002, at 14:02:30
If you are American, you probably know much
more about this issue than i do; it is all over
the net and it is highly controversial, as
well as the appointment of the draconian
Dr. Satel; i am not sure where things stand now,
but these centres were at risk of closure.http://www.namiscc.org/Advocacy/2002/Fall/NTAC-Funding.htm
In Quebec, CANADA we have CLSC's -- which are
centres spread throughout the local communities,
where people can go for immediate assistance or
call; we are planning to have them open 24 hours
per day, money permitting, thereby taking the
load off the hospital emergency staff.I have benefited greatly from their assistance.
As for Dr. Satel, well, i know i have a big
mouth but somebody told me that if i don't have
anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
That may have been good advice for one or our
politicians today who called President Bush a
"moron" - the diplomatic balance is at stake now
and she is being severely reprimanded with
a bronzed plaque of "The Bill of Rights".Squiggles
Posted by Squiggles on November 22, 2002, at 14:54:49
In reply to Re: - I see.. (Alan, an elaboration on my doctor) » utopizen, posted by Squiggles on November 22, 2002, at 14:23:32
As for addiction, here is the tough love
scenario from the new health waltenschuung
of the Bush administration.I can only say, that my doctor, who also
teaches at a university, had the compassion
and courage to let me gage my own suffering
from K withdrawal and reinstate with stability
as the ultimate goal.My reflection on this administration is so
dark and despairing, that i can only make an
effort to say as little as possible.http://www.sallysatelmd.com/html/a-wsj10.html
Squiggles
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