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Posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 9:46:53
Hey, vitamin fans. I've been taking a super-B complex for about nine months with great results. But I still lack energy and am wondering if I can increase my B-6. I only bet 2 mg. from the super B and 2 mg. from the multi-vitamin. I have a bottle of 50 mg. B-6.
I have recently cut back on carbs like bread, pasta, and sugar, and I eat a bit more protein than I used to. Would it be okay to take 54 mg. of B-6?
B6arded Lady
Posted by Roman on October 2, 2002, at 10:08:49
In reply to Vitamin B-6, posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 9:46:53
Here's some info I've picked-up while doing research:
1) Excess B6 can cause nerve damage--not sure of upper limit.
2) B6 induces vivid dreams--don't take it too late in the day (unless you're a horror flick fan).
3) B vitamins need to be taken at the same time, and in proper proportion to each other. If you increase B6, there are other Bs which should be increased as well (1,3,12?) to avoid imbalance and yield desired results.
4) Should be taken with food for proper absorbtion.
Hope this helps.
-R
Posted by Arthur Gibson on October 2, 2002, at 10:23:39
In reply to Vitamin B-6, posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 9:46:53
Why do you think that "energy" has to come out of a bottle?
If your house catches fire you will soon get the energy to run outside.
If you met the president you would soon find the energy to listen to what he told you.
If your neighbour ran off with your wife you would soon find the energy to go after him.
Maybe its motivation you need, not energy?
Too many people on this board are hunting for drug cocktails to do the hard work for them. In many cases this will not work. Sometimes you have to kick yourself up the a** and make an effort.
(Dr. Bob, much as I enjoy getting "Please be civils" this post DOES NOT deserve one either.)
Posted by Eddie Sylvano on October 2, 2002, at 10:33:41
In reply to More Tosh!, posted by Arthur Gibson on October 2, 2002, at 10:23:39
> If you met the president you would soon find the energy to listen to what he told you.
-----------------If I met the president on a bad day, I'd seriously just stare blankly at him, wondering who he was and if it was real. I'd also wish for him to go away, so I didn't have to concentrate on him. I've been in a car wreck before (someone else driving) when I was feeling out of it, and I didn't even flinch or change expression. Mental illnesses respect few outraged arguments against their existance, just like any other disease.
Posted by Arthur Gibson on October 2, 2002, at 10:56:59
In reply to Re: More Tosh! » Arthur Gibson, posted by Eddie Sylvano on October 2, 2002, at 10:33:41
Mental illness is not tosh. Trying to get energy out of bottles or trying to think of an excuse not to work for a living is.
I am as crazy as the next man on this board and I have never pretended otherwise. Those who are genuinely ill, like I was until recently and probably will be again before I leave this world, have my sympathy and best wishes.
But I am starting to suspect that we have some hypochondriacs here, contributing tosh and fishing for sympathy.
I say we clear them off the board and concentrate on those who are genuinely ill.
Its 4.50PM here in the UK and I am at work worn out by my efforts. I took the kids to school this morning and I have driven 150 miles to visit a customer. All afternoon I have been working at my PC trying to get business. Soon I will have to go home and after dinner clear the kitchen up and help the kids with their homework. Then I will check this board again to see how many "Please be civils" I have got today, before falling into bed and trying to sleep. My small kids will wake me at least twice tonight with bad dreams or wanting a pee or a drink or something. Tomorrow it all starts over again.
But do I moan about it on this board? Do I search for bottles of energy? No I swallow the PROZAC and fish oil and get on with it.
To all those who are ill, Arthur is you friend. The rest should go and get a job.
Posted by Dinah on October 2, 2002, at 11:16:34
In reply to That's not tosh., posted by Arthur Gibson on October 2, 2002, at 10:56:59
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> But I am starting to suspect that we have some hypochondriacs here, contributing tosh and fishing for sympathy.
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> I say we clear them off the board and concentrate on those who are genuinely ill.
>Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob. You have already received a request to please be civil, and to not post anything that may be taken as an accusation or put down of other posters. So now I'm going to have to block you from posting for a week.
You may take this decision up with Dr. Bob if you wish. His email is at the bottom of this page.
Dinah
Posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 12:28:09
In reply to That's not tosh., posted by Arthur Gibson on October 2, 2002, at 10:56:59
I asked a question that doesn't make any judgments about others or give any details about me, and someone named Arthur deduced that I was looking to a bottle for energy, that I was a hypochondriac, and that I didn't have a job.
First, I want to assure you that hypochondria is, indeed, a mental illness, and those who fit the bill are just as welcome on this site as those who have nothing wrong with them save a few wrinkles. After all, no one made us fill out a form that said we had to have a bonafide mental illness to post here.
Second, I don't consider it a chore to take my four-and-a-half-year-old daughter to school or pick her up, nor do I mind cooking dinner, washing the dishes, doing the laundry, or wiping the snot from my child's nose. I don't even mind it that much when I am awakened from a deep sleep because my daughter's buddies have fallen off the bed.
Furthermore, I enjoy all the clients I have worked hard to amass these ten years in business for myself as a writer, designer, and magazine publisher. I also enjoy the poetry I write (which is often published in good journals because I am ambitious and work hard at it). I enjoy teaching English at a university two nights a week. I love my husband, and I am passionate about the mosaics I am commissioned to make.
I design and write my neighborhood's newsletters, and I recently designed our t-shirts and helped at our neighborhood block party.
At 6:30 every morning (7:30 on weekends), I race walk/jog four miles with my two dogs. When I return, I make my husband's lunch, my daughter's breakfast, and my own decaf coffee before I take my daughter to school.
Simply put, I do more in a week than many people do in a month, and I enjoy every minute of it.
I don't drink caffeine, and I take B vitamins to keep headaches and migraines at bay.
So my search for energy from a bottle doesn't mean that I don't have any evergy, that I am lazy, that I am a hypochondriac, or that I am looking for a quick fix. It only means that the I feel slightly sleepy from the Serzone I take for chronic insomnia (which developed after the stress of losing a grandmother, a dog, and a father-in-law, my husband losing his job, and my cold-turkey nursing cessation--yes, I had the energy to nurse her for nine months--due to the start of a new teaching job in addition to the two nights I already taught).
Thanks to the others who cared enough to respond in a helpful way.
beardy
Posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 12:43:06
In reply to Re: Vitamin B-6, posted by Roman on October 2, 2002, at 10:08:49
I have read that one should take 100 mg. of each of the B vitamins (in a book by Christiane Northrop, M.D. called, "Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom). I thought it sounded like a lot, but I'm sure 50 mg. is not enough to be toxic.
I also wonder about the other B increases, as you can take any of the Bs alone with success, depending on why you're taking it.
Iso? Colin? Anybody want to help here?
beardy
Posted by wsj on October 2, 2002, at 12:49:45
In reply to That's not tosh., posted by Arthur Gibson on October 2, 2002, at 10:56:59
who did you say was fishing for sympathy?
wsj
Posted by IsoM on October 2, 2002, at 13:22:45
In reply to Re: Vitamin B-6 » Roman, posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 12:43:06
Beardy, I'll get back to you by email later. Gotta run right now but will compose a referenced piece for you.
Posted by turalizz on October 2, 2002, at 13:44:18
In reply to Vitamin B-6, posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 9:46:53
> Hey, vitamin fans. I've been taking a super-B complex for about nine months with great results. But I still lack energy and am wondering if I can increase my B-6.
If what you are looking for is energy, then make sure that you're getting enough B3 (as niacinamide) and B5.
I've increased my daily intake of niacinamide form 50mg to 200mg, and that really made a big difference in my energy.
Just a note; niacinamide is turned into NADH, a molecule that plays a crucial role in ATP synthesis.
good luck,
cem
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 2, 2002, at 14:48:15
In reply to assumptions » Arthur Gibson, posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 12:28:09
Posted by jane d on October 2, 2002, at 22:19:31
In reply to Vitamin B-6, posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 9:46:53
You might like to take a look at this website.
http://www.nap.edu/books/0309065542/html/index.html
I haven't read the section on B6 (now I'm about to) but I found other parts of it useful. It includes information on upper limits.
Jane
Posted by Ritch on October 2, 2002, at 22:21:01
In reply to assumptions » Arthur Gibson, posted by BeardedLady on October 2, 2002, at 12:28:09
Evidently Vitamin B-2 (at 100mg qid) is considered an effective alternative migraine prophylaxis medication:
http://www.fpnotebook.com/NEU121.htm
Posted by shar on October 3, 2002, at 0:52:03
In reply to Re: Vitamin B-6 ( other vitamins), posted by jane d on October 2, 2002, at 22:19:31
My homeopath suggested I take pyridoxal-5-phosphate, which is a "coenzyme derived form of B6" because it is better absorbed than the usual form of B6.
I have no idea about the veracity of that information. I can tell you that P5P is very expensive and the homeopath that suggested it also sold it. I now buy it at the local health food store. Recommended dose is 50 mg/day.
I'd be interested to know if anybody knows more about P5P (like, is it really better absorbed, etc.).
Shar
Posted by BeardedLady on October 3, 2002, at 6:59:35
In reply to Vitamins for migraines » BeardedLady, posted by Ritch on October 2, 2002, at 22:21:01
I must have mistyped and then mistyped again when I was posting back to Arthur. Though I feel sluggish, I bought the B-6 a year ago because I thought it was for energy and never took it.
The reason I was thinking of using it again is because I have changed my diet and am eating fewer carbs (no bread, pasta, or cereal) and more protein. So I wanted to use the B-6 to boost my metabolism, as it says on the bottle that it is for "protein and energy metabolism." (The Serzone has also made my metabolism sluggish, even though I get at least an hour of excercise daily.)
Anyway, I have my answers from all the links you've provide, so thanks, all of you, for your help! PB remains one of the most valuable sites (and aspects of this particular site) on the net for its personal info and support--in spite of the occasional incivility.
beardy
Posted by Phil on October 3, 2002, at 17:56:13
In reply to P-5-P, posted by shar on October 3, 2002, at 0:52:03
Hey thar shar,
Didn't know B6 had an absorbtion problem. Oh, she was talking about absorbing your money into the register.
Just joking in this GD Texas heat and humidity, what a lousy stinking hot muggy day.
Oh, I keyed in whatever P5P stands for into Google and there's lots of info. Looks interesting.
Posted by shar on October 4, 2002, at 0:28:10
In reply to Re: P-5-P » shar, posted by Phil on October 3, 2002, at 17:56:13
> Hey thar shar,
>
> Didn't know B6 had an absorbtion problem. Oh, she was talking about absorbing your money into the register........well, hayle!!! That's probly it right on the nail head there you! I bet I misunderstood. When she said "come inside my own B6" I HEARD "coenzyme form of B6" and thought I was gettin a deal on healing!
S
Posted by Phil on October 4, 2002, at 6:12:14
In reply to Re: P-5-P » Phil, posted by shar on October 4, 2002, at 0:28:10
Well I'm a golldang sure I could hep you out.
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