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Posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:49:55
In reply to Re: levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:47:07
Ok, seriously this is the last one
I forgot. How could I leave out Adderall
and the manic stock option trading binge
it put me on cleaning out 95% of my wealth.22) Adderall
>
> crud, how could I forget Buspar?
>
> 21) Buspar.
>
> Ok, that's got to be it for me.
>
> -john
>
> >
> > oops, forgot:
> >
> > 20) Remeron.
> >
> > Good that puts me
> > over that 20 barrier. I'm so proud
> > of myself ;)
> >
> > -john
> >
> > >
> > > can anyone beat this list of meds I've
> > > taken? Any doctor seing this would
> > > scream. I'm a walking pharmacy.
> > > Come on, I dare you....bring it on! ;)
> > >
> > > Note, many of these I just tinkered with
> > > for a few days.
> > >
> > > I currently take Lamictal,Klonopin,and Zyprexa
> > > and am doing fairly well.
> > >
> > > 1) Paxil
> > > 2) Xanax
> > > 3) Zoloft
> > > 4) Wellbutrin
> > > 5) Lamictal
> > > 6) Effexor
> > > 7) Klonopin
> > > 8) Serzone
> > > 9) Depakote
> > > 10) Neurontin
> > > 11) Selegiline
> > > 12) Reboxetine
> > > 13) Manerix
> > > 14) Sumatriptan
> > > 15) Inderal
> > > 16) Pindolol
> > > 17) Zyprexa
> > > 18) Mirapex
> > > 19) Trileptal
> > >
> > > -John
Posted by Rakken on October 11, 2001, at 21:30:51
In reply to Re: levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:49:55
What helped you with anxiety? How was Buspar?
Posted by bob on October 11, 2001, at 22:15:02
In reply to levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:42:25
Well, at first glance, here's what comes to mind for me:
1. Prozac
2. Welbutrin
3. Anafranil
4. Effexor
5. Depakote
6. Ritalin
7. Dexedrine
8. Celexa
9. T3
10. T4
11. Buspar
12. Trazadone
13. Serzone
14. Lithium
15. Lamictal
16. Topomax
17. Clonazepam
18. Paxil
19. Zoloft
20. Remeron
21. Luvox
22. Tegretol... and counting.
I've also tried non-prescription things, like
1. Omega-3
2. St. John's Wort
3. 5-HTP
4. DHEA
5. L-TyrosineI've also dabbled with Ambien and Sonata in an effort to correct my truly screwed up sleep cycle.
I might think of another prescription med... but I'll have to ponder it. Anyway, I've matched your 22!
Gee, makes me feel all warm inside.
Bob
Posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 22:32:33
In reply to Re: levity » JohnX, posted by bob on October 11, 2001, at 22:15:02
> Well, at first glance, here's what comes to mind for me:
>
> 1. Prozac
> 2. Welbutrin
> 3. Anafranil
> 4. Effexor
> 5. Depakote
> 6. Ritalin
> 7. Dexedrine
> 8. Celexa
> 9. T3
> 10. T4
> 11. Buspar
> 12. Trazadone
> 13. Serzone
> 14. Lithium
> 15. Lamictal
> 16. Topomax
> 17. Clonazepam
> 18. Paxil
> 19. Zoloft
> 20. Remeron
> 21. Luvox
> 22. Tegretol
>
> ... and counting.
>
> I've also tried non-prescription things, like
>
> 1. Omega-3
> 2. St. John's Wort
> 3. 5-HTP
> 4. DHEA
> 5. L-Tyrosine
>
> I've also dabbled with Ambien and Sonata in an effort to correct my truly screwed up sleep cycle.
>
> I might think of another prescription med... but I'll have to ponder it. Anyway, I've matched your 22!
>
> Gee, makes me feel all warm inside.
>
> BobSorry, but I'm going to have to trump you.
I know this sould be against the rules, but whilst
I was driving to the grocery store I remembered
my 2 day disastrous trial of23)Provigil
ha!
Your turn to trump. Surely you forgot
something? I was sticking to psychotropic
meds. Hmm, should we count ambien? Yeah,
I'll give it to you. ;)I may need to through in claritin and non
psychotropic meds if things get nasty. But
then I think we are straying from the intention
of this news group.As far as herbs,amino-acids,vitamins,5-htp
etc. Pretty much tried everything. If I listed
everything I would be taking a new med for
carpal tunnell syndrome.I was thinking about putting together some
powerpoint slides to make it easier for me
to show my history of meds and reactions when
I see new physicians. But, I've found it best
to keep things concise and leave out the quicky
trials, unless they bring it up.-john
Posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 22:35:26
In reply to Re: levity, posted by Rakken on October 11, 2001, at 21:30:51
> What helped you with anxiety? How was Buspar?
Wellbutrin,Klonopin,Paxil,Neurontin,Xanax,Zyprexa,
Serzone all helped with anxiety.Buspar was a dud; I tried it upto 60 mg
and gave it a pretty fair trial.-john
Posted by bob on October 11, 2001, at 22:40:33
In reply to Re: levity » bob, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 22:32:33
I only listed psychotropics in the first section (22 total). That's why when I mentioned the others, I made the distinctions. I didn't include the Ambien or Sonata in the primary list.
If we made a rule which said all drugs in the primary list had to be tried for at least 1 week, how many would still be on your list? All of mine would still be there. What about if we said 3 weeks -- Serzone would drop off for me.
Bob
Posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2001, at 23:40:24
In reply to levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:42:25
In chronological order
1) marijuana
2) psilocybin
3) lysergic acid diethylamide
4) alcohol
5) tobacco
6) Paxil
7) Zoloft
8) Wellbutrin
9) Ativan (2 weeks)
10) Effexor XR
11) Dexedrine Spansules (2 weeks)
12) Imovane
13) Starnoc (Sonata)
14) RestorilMy God!!! Marijuana IS a gateway drug! < gasp > - Cam
Posted by kayjay on October 12, 2001, at 0:12:05
In reply to levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:42:25
Hello, I'm usually a lurker here, but just in case there is a cash prize given, I will give my list.
1. Vivactil
2. Elavil
3. Librium
4. Stelazine
5. Compazine
6. Sinequan
7. Ativan
8. Ascendin
9. Pamelor
10. Tofranil
11. Nardil
12. Parnate
13. Tranzene
14. Buspar
15. Desyrel
16. Navane
17. Desipramine
18. Lithium
19. Klonopin
20. Xanax
21. Merital
22. Cytomel
23. Nortriptyline
24. Tegretol
25. Tegretol
26. Wellbutrin
27. Prozac
28. Paxil
29. Serzone
30. Cylert
31. Ritalin
32. Desoxyn
33. Zyprexa
34. Adderal
35. Celexa
36. Dexedrine
37. Provigil
38. Zoloft
List does not include herbals and suppliments.
Posted by JohnX on October 12, 2001, at 1:12:41
In reply to Re: levity, posted by kayjay on October 12, 2001, at 0:12:05
> Hello, I'm usually a lurker here, but just in case there is a cash prize given, I will give my list.
> 1. Vivactil
> 2. Elavil
> 3. Librium
> 4. Stelazine
> 5. Compazine
> 6. Sinequan
> 7. Ativan
> 8. Ascendin
> 9. Pamelor
> 10. Tofranil
> 11. Nardil
> 12. Parnate
> 13. Tranzene
> 14. Buspar
> 15. Desyrel
> 16. Navane
> 17. Desipramine
> 18. Lithium
> 19. Klonopin
> 20. Xanax
> 21. Merital
> 22. Cytomel
> 23. Nortriptyline
> 24. Tegretol
> 25. Tegretol
> 26. Wellbutrin
> 27. Prozac
> 28. Paxil
> 29. Serzone
> 30. Cylert
> 31. Ritalin
> 32. Desoxyn
> 33. Zyprexa
> 34. Adderal
> 35. Celexa
> 36. Dexedrine
> 37. Provigil
> 38. Zoloft
> List does not include herbals and suppliments.Ok. I think you are going to be tough to beat!
I'd like to point out that everyone in this
silly thread is still alive and kicking.
My point being that persistence is key to
obtaining our end goal. I'm sure everyone who
has been through the ringer like this will attest
to this fact. I don't know what it is, but some
part of me refuses to "lose" to these crummy
problems.I would like to point out that all of us who
have "stuck around" should be given an award
for persistance. We all know what this means.
For some damn reason we all instinctively know
that there is a "cure","answer" whatever you
want to call it and our basic instincts as
human beings keeps us around to see the show.I like to quote a line from a comedian:
"When we are born, we are granted a ticket
to the biggest freak show in the universe. Best
to sit back and enjoy the show"The events that have occured in the world
over the past month have shed a new perspective
on my life and the depression that haunts me.I want to survive and also attain a quality
of life that is deserved to everyone given the
gift of life. And I *refuse* to believe that I
can't have this.I want to say to everyone on this newsgroup that
we are all part of a team battling some of the
most difficult ailments known to man. Yet we
persist. Please keep the torch inside burning.
We are all here to support each other. Everyone
here has a special place and meaning to the world.
I know this is extremely hard to grasp during
a deep depression. Please remember that this
is just our mind playing tricks with us and we
can't beat ourselves.-john
Posted by JohnX on October 12, 2001, at 1:24:32
In reply to Re: levity » JohnX, posted by bob on October 11, 2001, at 22:40:33
> I only listed psychotropics in the first section (22 total). That's why when I mentioned the others, I made the distinctions. I didn't include the Ambien or Sonata in the primary list.
>
> If we made a rule which said all drugs in the primary list had to be tried for at least 1 week, how many would still be on your list? All of mine would still be there. What about if we said 3 weeks -- Serzone would drop off for me.
>
> BobWell I can list my meds that I gave a long run
at. My basic premise on meds right now is that
if I can't stand the side effects after 1 week,
then it is time to punt.I've given these meds a full run (either
got a response or held out for one for at least
6-8 weeks):Paxil,Zoloft,Wellbutrin,Klonopin,Buspar,Lamictal,
Remeron,Adderall,Depakote,Serzone,Neurontin,Selegiline,Effexor.The rest of the meds I tested for 1-2 weeks
and gave up due to side effects or ineffectiveness. A few I gave
only 1 or 2 days: Provigil and Mirapex.I believe I will maintain Zyprexa for a while.
Anyways, I hope people got a little comic
relief from this. I seem to be reaching the
end of my psychiatric storyline after 2 years.
My heart goes out for those who contuinue to
search of the appropriate cure to tailor to
their needs.-john
Posted by petey on October 12, 2001, at 7:53:21
In reply to Re: levity » bob, posted by JohnX on October 12, 2001, at 1:24:32
> > I only listed psychotropics in the first section (22 total). That's why when I mentioned the others, I made the distinctions. I didn't include the Ambien or Sonata in the primary list.
> >
> > If we made a rule which said all drugs in the primary list had to be tried for at least 1 week, how many would still be on your list? All of mine would still be there. What about if we said 3 weeks -- Serzone would drop off for me.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Well I can list my meds that I gave a long run
> at. My basic premise on meds right now is that
> if I can't stand the side effects after 1 week,
> then it is time to punt.
>
> I've given these meds a full run (either
> got a response or held out for one for at least
> 6-8 weeks):
>
> Paxil,Zoloft,Wellbutrin,Klonopin,Buspar,Lamictal,
> Remeron,Adderall,Depakote,Serzone,Neurontin,Selegiline,Effexor.
>
> The rest of the meds I tested for 1-2 weeks
> and gave up due to side effects or ineffectiveness. A few I gave
> only 1 or 2 days: Provigil and Mirapex.
>
> I believe I will maintain Zyprexa for a while.
>
> Anyways, I hope people got a little comic
> relief from this. I seem to be reaching the
> end of my psychiatric storyline after 2 years.
> My heart goes out for those who contuinue to
> search of the appropriate cure to tailor to
> their needs.
>
> -johnGoodness! Now I don't feel so bad! Good luck to you all! I hope you find something that works!
Posted by Mitch on October 12, 2001, at 9:05:23
In reply to levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:42:25
>
> can anyone beat this list of meds I've
> taken? Any doctor seing this would
> scream. I'm a walking pharmacy.
> Come on, I dare you....bring it on! ;)
>
> Note, many of these I just tinkered with
> for a few days.
>
> I currently take Lamictal,Klonopin,and Zyprexa
> and am doing fairly well.
>
> 1) Paxil
> 2) Xanax
> 3) Zoloft
> 4) Wellbutrin
> 5) Lamictal
> 6) Effexor
> 7) Klonopin
> 8) Serzone
> 9) Depakote
> 10) Neurontin
> 11) Selegiline
> 12) Reboxetine
> 13) Manerix
> 14) Sumatriptan
> 15) Inderal
> 16) Pindolol
> 17) Zyprexa
> 18) Mirapex
> 19) Trileptal
>
> -JohnHmm. Let's see, roughly in historical
sequence (over 25 years):1) Lithium
2) Sinequan
3) Elavil
4) Librium
5) Thorazine
6) Stelazine
7) Haldol
8) Valium
9) Dalmane
10) Compazine
11) Ativan
12) Xanax
13) Mellaril
14) Prozac
15) Zoloft
16) Effexor
17) Depakote
18) Celexa
19) Klonopin
20) Nortiptyline
21) Desipramine
22) Neurontin
23) Gabitril
24) Risperdal
25) Seroquel
26) Remeron
27) Adderall
28) Trileptal
29) Luvox
30) Paxil
31) Wellbutrin
32) Permax
33) MirapexGotcha! :-)
Posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 10:47:03
In reply to levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:42:25
John, you are a real lightweight. No contest.
I have not decided whether I should show my wares just yet.
Usually, I do joke about this. However, as I write this, it only brings me sadness.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 11:05:49
In reply to Re: levity » JohnX, posted by Mitch on October 12, 2001, at 9:05:23
Alright. What the fuck...
I really hope someone beats this. This was actually a great idea, John. Besides levity, it also gives all of us (even me) a list of things we haven't yet tried, and along with it, hope.
imipramine
desipramine
amoxapine
amitriptyline
nortriptyline
protriptyline
clomipramine
tranylcypromine
phenelzine
isocarboxazid
moclobemide
clorgyline
trazodone
lithium
carbamazepine
valproate sodium
lamotrigine
gabapentin
bupropion
indalpine
viqualine
pk-8059
nomifensine
adinazolam
modafinil
bromocriptine
triiodothyronine
thyroxine
d-amphetamine
methylphenidate
idazoxan
mirtazepine
clonazepam
risperidone
olanzapine
ziprasidone
perphenazine
paroxetine
venlafaxine
fluoxetine
lorazepam
triazolam
temazepam
zolpidem
chlorpromazine
fluphenazine
pemoline
chloral hydrate
selegiline
quetiapine
placebo
I can't think of any more right now.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 11:07:26
In reply to Re: levity, posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 11:05:49
I'm still not smiling.
Posted by susan C on October 12, 2001, at 12:00:14
In reply to Re: levity, posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 11:07:26
> I'm still not smiling.
I still dont have the courage to go through my previous pdoc records to make a list...
trembling mouse
susan C
Posted by Mitch on October 12, 2001, at 12:14:37
In reply to Re: levity » bob, posted by JohnX on October 12, 2001, at 1:24:32
> I've given these meds a full run (either
> got a response or held out for one for at least
> 6-8 weeks):
>
> Paxil,Zoloft,Wellbutrin,Klonopin,Buspar,Lamictal,
> Remeron,Adderall,Depakote,Serzone,Neurontin,Selegiline,Effexor.
>
The ones I took for longer than eight weeks and got a good response to were:Lithium, Depakote, Neurontin, Klonopin, Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Adderall, Wellbutrin.
Posted by Hattree on October 12, 2001, at 12:49:07
In reply to Re: levity, posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 11:07:26
Posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 13:19:07
In reply to Re: levity » JohnX, posted by Mitch on October 12, 2001, at 9:05:23
> 33) Mirapex
>
> Gotcha! :-)Hi Mitch.
How's the Mirapex treating you? What other stuff are you taking?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 13:29:31
In reply to Re: levity, posted by kayjay on October 12, 2001, at 0:12:05
Hi KayJay.
I'm sorry your list is so long. You'd probably beat me if you were to include the herbal/nutritional stuff.
I am wondering if you could take the time to answer a few questions.
What is your diagnosis?
- I'm bipolarWhat drugs have you responded best to?
- MAO inhibitors, tricyclics, LamictalWhat drugs have made you feel worse?
- Wellbutrin, protriptyline, amoxapine, reboxetine, Cytomel, Remeron, moclobemideWhat are you taking now, and how well is it working?
- Lamictal, Effexor, nortriptyline, Geodon
- Mild improvement; inadequateThanks.
- Scott
> Hello, I'm usually a lurker here, but just in case there is a cash prize given, I will give my list.
> 1. Vivactil
> 2. Elavil
> 3. Librium
> 4. Stelazine
> 5. Compazine
> 6. Sinequan
> 7. Ativan
> 8. Ascendin
> 9. Pamelor
> 10. Tofranil
> 11. Nardil
> 12. Parnate
> 13. Tranzene
> 14. Buspar
> 15. Desyrel
> 16. Navane
> 17. Desipramine
> 18. Lithium
> 19. Klonopin
> 20. Xanax
> 21. Merital
> 22. Cytomel
> 23. Nortriptyline
> 24. Tegretol
> 25. Tegretol
> 26. Wellbutrin
> 27. Prozac
> 28. Paxil
> 29. Serzone
> 30. Cylert
> 31. Ritalin
> 32. Desoxyn
> 33. Zyprexa
> 34. Adderal
> 35. Celexa
> 36. Dexedrine
> 37. Provigil
> 38. Zoloft
> List does not include herbals and suppliments.
Posted by petter on October 12, 2001, at 14:25:28
In reply to Re: levity » kayjay, posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 13:29:31
> Hi KayJay.
>
> I'm sorry your list is so long. You'd probably beat me if you were to include the herbal/nutritional stuff.
>
> I am wondering if you could take the time to answer a few questions.
>
> What is your diagnosis?Hi again Scott...
Never considered to add Litium to your current mix? It´s many time the only drug, that don´t make things worse.
I read somewere that Lamotrigine can very often work better with a small amount Litium.
What about MAOI:Parnate..?Take care....
Petter
Posted by kayjay on October 12, 2001, at 14:48:07
In reply to Re: levity » kayjay, posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 13:29:31
Hello Scott,
I'm not too happy with the length of the list either. I'll try to answer your questions.
I was diagnosed 20 some years ago with borderline personality disorder and major depression. Since then, atypical eating disorder, possible OCD, and GAD. 2 years ago, I was diagnosed with systemic lupus. Depression has been the main problem.
I responded well to Librium and Xanax early on. But after a while, became more depressed. Most helpful, was a combo of Prozac or Paxil plus Cylert, which I took for 9 years with good results(SSRI alone, didn't help much).
The worst meds were the tricyclics(caused a lot of anxiety, dry mouth, paranoia, hostility) and Wellbutrin(super hostility and agitation). Also, did not do well with Zyprexia because of agitation. Desyrel and Serzone made me feel zombied out and restless at the same time.
I am not taking any meds right now because unfortunately about 6 years into taking the SSRI plus a stimulant I started developing symptoms of lupus and was diagnosed with it a couple of years ago. Through keeping track of my symptoms, I discovered that the joint inflammation I was having seemed to be related to the meds. Right now I'm trying to figure out if I have drug induced lupus, or if one of the meds is aggravating a pre-existing lupus.
As to how I am doing with no meds, not all that great. I've been walking 30 min. per day, which helps, but each day is pretty much of a struggle.
Fatigue, no motivation, concentration poor, etc..Sorry you have been through the wringer on meds too. Hope you find something that works.
kayjay
Posted by geno on October 12, 2001, at 15:47:12
In reply to levity, posted by JohnX on October 11, 2001, at 20:42:25
>
> can anyone beat this list of meds I've
> taken? Any doctor seing this would
> scream. I'm a walking pharmacy.
> Come on, I dare you....bring it on! ;)
>
> Note, many of these I just tinkered with
> for a few days.
>
> I currently take Lamictal,Klonopin,and Zyprexa
> and am doing fairly well.
>
> 1) Paxil
> 2) Xanax
> 3) Zoloft
> 4) Wellbutrin
> 5) Lamictal
> 6) Effexor
> 7) Klonopin
> 8) Serzone
> 9) Depakote
> 10) Neurontin
> 11) Selegiline
> 12) Reboxetine
> 13) Manerix
> 14) Sumatriptan
> 15) Inderal
> 16) Pindolol
> 17) Zyprexa
> 18) Mirapex
> 19) Trileptal
>
> -JohnJohn, you forgot a good med! REMERON
Posted by JohnX on October 12, 2001, at 20:43:35
In reply to Re: levity, posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 11:07:26
> I'm still not smiling.
Scott,
I just typed a nice long reply to try to
get in synch with your situation but I lost it.Anyways, you seem to be hunting down some of
the same paths that I have. From what I remember
from earlier this year, you were doing better
on Lamictal and a low dose rispideral or zyprexa.Anyways, Lamictal was the 1st med to lift me
from major depression. But I have still struggled
with dysthymia and chronic pain that is almost
worse than the depression itself.However, from hopping back on this newsgroup
I've noticed you asking a lot of questions that I
was also thinking in my own case of how to resolve
my lingering dysthymia and pain issues.To make a long story short, I've learned alot
about ptsd,bpii and the underpinnings in a
few areas of the brain: the LC(locus coerulus),
raphe serotonergic system,VTA (ventral tegmental
area), and the projections from the VTA into
the shell of the NA and the (pre)frontal cortex.
I've mainly worked backwards trying to use some
deductive logic to explain why meds have inconsistent
reactions on me. Also, I have found that thinking
about my pain symptoms and their treatments has
caused me to stumble on better treatments for the
depression and hypo-mania.I did have 1 cocktail that I wouldn't recommend
anyone try. It was based on an offshoot of the
California Rocketfuel formula. But I called it
"Texas Rocketfuel".Here it went (this knocked my dysthmia right
out the door, but with scary side effects):- Manerix 300 mg (Reversible MAO-A inhibitor)
- Remeron 45 mg (for the 5ht-2 antagonism and
alpha-2 antagonism).
- Selegeline 20-60 mg (for the MAO-B inhibitor).
- Reboxetine 4-8 mg/day.Probably could have swapped Manerix/Selegiline
with Parnate. The idea was to keep the LC
from reaching a norepinephrine depleted state,
and increase the burst firing out of the VTA
up into the prefrontal cortex. I'd explain my
thinking in another mail, as I'm tired. But all
these meds by themselves were side-effect benign
to me but didn't help much. When I did the
combo, dysthymia went running scared. I stopped
the combo because I felt it was dangerous and
I definately had tyramine type food interactions.-john
Posted by Mitch on October 12, 2001, at 21:32:34
In reply to Re: levity » Mitch, posted by SLS on October 12, 2001, at 13:19:07
> > 33) Mirapex
> >
> > Gotcha! :-)
>
> Hi Mitch.
>
> How's the Mirapex treating you? What other stuff are you taking?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> - Scott
Hi Scott,The DA agonists really aren't working for me (either Mirapex or Permax). I am not taking either one now. Those were just the two *newest* things that I had tried. All I have found out with a combo of dx over the years of BPII, GAD, ADHD, Social Phobia/Panic, is 1) I need a mood stabilizer or two 2) I need something for my seasonal major depressions, and 3) I need something for SP/panic. So now I am on a lowdose combo of Neurontin/Klonopin/Celexa. I will need to add a noradrenergic/dopaminergic agent during my seasonal depressions due in oh about 4-6 weeks. I am going to push for Wellbutrin again to add to the current mix this time around. I tried nortripytline the last two times with very limited success. The WB was tried three MD's ago, and it worked, but made me pretty edgy. The Adderall worked for the MD previous, but it made me panic! (although I wasn't on a benzo, hmmm.)
Mitch
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