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Posted by Sigolene on September 2, 2000, at 12:36:31
Each time i eat even the smallest dose of a med touching the serotinin system (Paxil Celexa serzone desyrel nardil), I have the same reaction after about 3 days: can't sleep (also with desyrel yes!), my depression is worsening, and sudden big mood shifting during the day.
The longest trial i did on this kind of med was about 3 weeks and there was no change. (with small or normal dose)
There is not a lot of choise in NE selective med.
That's why i ask you if it's still possible that my state improve after 3 weeks with such a beginning...
Has someone already experienced this ?
THank you for reading, next time i'll try to find a subject title, it's promised !
Sigolene
Posted by Mania on September 2, 2000, at 14:17:32
In reply to I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry, posted by Sigolene on September 2, 2000, at 12:36:31
Hi there...
The first time I was on anti-dep-meds (Cipramil in Swedish) I felt like dead in two weeks. It was only my heart that reminded me that I was still alive. I had a pulse of 120...
(Or was I brought to hell...)I couldn't eat, drive my car, sleep was something I just heard that other was doing.
I didn't get any sleepingpills or any calming drugs, makes me angry afterwards.It took me sex weeks to feel good.
What a big surprise, I heard my self singing when I was doing things, even the boring ones.
Sometimes it is the only way to figure out if the meds are right for you. Just wait and stand that every second feels like a year.
But it's worht it if you get helpt...But I was a bipolar so Cipramil made me hypomanic för five years?!?!
I worked my self out.I hope you feel better soon.
Love.
Mania
Posted by Adam on September 2, 2000, at 15:11:14
In reply to I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry, posted by Sigolene on September 2, 2000, at 12:36:31
Sigolene,
Etes-vous francais? (Pardonnez-moi. Je ne puis pas trouver le circonflexe, les accents, ou le cedilla en Windows). Avez-vous essaye le lithium ou (je ne suis pas sur si ces sont les bons-mots) un autre stabilisateur d'humeur? Avez-vous le diagnostic depression-maniaqe?
If you're not a French speaker, I'm just asking if you've ever tried litium or another mood stabiliser, and if you have ever been diagnosed with manic depression?
> Each time i eat even the smallest dose of a med touching the serotinin system (Paxil Celexa serzone desyrel nardil), I have the same reaction after about 3 days: can't sleep (also with desyrel yes!), my depression is worsening, and sudden big mood shifting during the day.
> The longest trial i did on this kind of med was about 3 weeks and there was no change. (with small or normal dose)
> There is not a lot of choise in NE selective med.
> That's why i ask you if it's still possible that my state improve after 3 weeks with such a beginning...
> Has someone already experienced this ?
> THank you for reading, next time i'll try to find a subject title, it's promised !
> Sigolene
Posted by stjames on September 2, 2000, at 17:22:07
In reply to Re: I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry, posted by Adam on September 2, 2000, at 15:11:14
(Pardonnez-moi. Je ne puis pas trouver le circonflexe, les accents, ou le cedilla en Windows).
"pardon (forgive) me. I don't know how to find the (french) circomflex, accents or cedilla in windows"James here.....
It is ez. The symbols È, É, Ê, Ç are found by going to the "Character Map" which is at start menu/programs/accessories/system tools. You can use alt+ a number or copy and paste from the map. You may have to load the character map if you do not have in installed.
In German the umlauts, such as Ö or Ä can be written oe and ae; adding the e after the umlaut vouwel replaces the umlaut diacritical mark. Also
the double ss, in german it is ß, can be written ss.james
Posted by Sigolene on September 3, 2000, at 3:21:40
In reply to Re: I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry, posted by Adam on September 2, 2000, at 15:11:14
Bonjour,
Merci de me parler en français, ça fait du bien de temps en temps !
I'm from switzerland, yes my language is french.I'm not manic depressive. Just depressive, social phobia, insomnia, and CFS. (in fact it's easier to say that i've got personality disorder called borderline). I don't want mood stabilizator because there's too much side effects, and i think i don't need it. It's already complicated enough with AD monotherapy.
Sigolene
> Sigolene,
>
> Etes-vous francais? (Pardonnez-moi. Je ne puis pas trouver le circonflexe, les accents, ou le cedilla en Windows). Avez-vous essaye le lithium ou (je ne suis pas sur si ces sont les bons-mots) un autre stabilisateur d'humeur? Avez-vous le diagnostic depression-maniaqe?
>
> If you're not a French speaker, I'm just asking if you've ever tried litium or another mood stabiliser, and if you have ever been diagnosed with manic depression?
>
> > Each time i eat even the smallest dose of a med touching the serotinin system (Paxil Celexa serzone desyrel nardil), I have the same reaction after about 3 days: can't sleep (also with desyrel yes!), my depression is worsening, and sudden big mood shifting during the day.
> > The longest trial i did on this kind of med was about 3 weeks and there was no change. (with small or normal dose)
> > There is not a lot of choise in NE selective med.
> > That's why i ask you if it's still possible that my state improve after 3 weeks with such a beginning...
> > Has someone already experienced this ?
> > THank you for reading, next time i'll try to find a subject title, it's promised !
> > Sigolene
Posted by Sigolene on September 3, 2000, at 3:24:26
In reply to Re: I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry, posted by stjames on September 2, 2000, at 17:22:07
Tanks for these informations.
But if you write french or german without the little signs, we can still understand very well what is said. So don't worry about that .....
Sigolene
> (Pardonnez-moi. Je ne puis pas trouver le circonflexe, les accents, ou le cedilla en Windows).
>
>
> "pardon (forgive) me. I don't know how to find the (french) circomflex, accents or cedilla in windows"
>
> James here.....
>
> It is ez. The symbols È, É, Ê, Ç are found by going to the "Character Map" which is at start menu/programs/accessories/system tools. You can use alt+ a number or copy and paste from the map. You may have to load the character map if you do not have in installed.
>
> In German the umlauts, such as Ö or Ä can be written oe and ae; adding the e after the umlaut vouwel replaces the umlaut diacritical mark. Also
> the double ss, in german it is ß, can be written ss.
>
> james
Posted by AndrewB on September 3, 2000, at 14:14:54
In reply to I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry, posted by Sigolene on September 2, 2000, at 12:36:31
Sigolene,
I think I mentioned this to you before, but amisulpride is available in your country. It is used in your country in high doses for schizophrenia but in Italy and France it is used for dysthymia and atypical depression in low doses, usually 50 to 100mgs/day. Amisulpride is a dopaminerigic that can be effective for the symptoms of low mood, social anxiety and CFS. For me it has been effective for these symptoms. I have an info. piece on it, email me at [email protected]. I think it is worth a try in your case since serotonergic meds seem to have failed.
AndrewB
Posted by Sigolene on September 3, 2000, at 15:51:13
In reply to Re: I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry, posted by AndrewB on September 3, 2000, at 14:14:54
Hi andrew,
Yes you already talked to me before about Amisulpride, i remeber.
But there's many problems which make me hesitate. THe first is if I take amisulpride, i think i will still need an AD. And for the moment i can't find an acceptable AD in monotherapy for the depression. When depression will be treated, i'll think about social phobia and CFS... maybe with amisupride. But if i take everything together i won't know from what the side effects are coming.THe second problem is i HATE taking more than one medication. In general it doesn't last more than one month before i stop everything because i begin to feel them (meds) like if they were poison. So, as the depression is my first problem, i try AD first.
Then last, if amisulpride is increasing DA at low dose, i think i won't be able to sleep because i have already difficulties nomally. Don't you think it could be the case ?
And do you know if the "anti social phobia" effect comes as soon as you take the medication or after weeks ?
Anyway could you send me your info about amisupride, i click on your e mail adress.
Thank you Andrew.> Sigolene,
>
> I think I mentioned this to you before, but amisulpride is available in your country. It is used in your country in high doses for schizophrenia but in Italy and France it is used for dysthymia and atypical depression in low doses, usually 50 to 100mgs/day. Amisulpride is a dopaminerigic that can be effective for the symptoms of low mood, social anxiety and CFS. For me it has been effective for these symptoms. I have an info. piece on it, email me at [email protected]. I think it is worth a try in your case since serotonergic meds seem to have failed.
>
> AndrewB
Posted by AndrewB on September 4, 2000, at 12:29:46
In reply to Re: I don't have any idea of good subject title, sorry » AndrewB, posted by Sigolene on September 3, 2000, at 15:51:13
Sigolene,
Good subject title. Eye catching!
Amisulpride can be an effective AD. Look at the studies in the information piece. They incicate it to have the efficacy of standard ADs. Many people who have used this board have experienced mood benefit with amisulpride. It just so happens though that amisulpride can also helps with social anxiety and CFS symptoms.
Amisulpride doesn't increase dopamine in the classic sense, it causes no sleeplessness.
Amisulpride is fast acting. You will know whether amisulpride is working for you in ten days or less. One of the first things you may notice is a feeling of openess, with less social anxiety.
AndrewB
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