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Posted by Jen on November 7, 1999, at 4:48:13
My husband has been suffering from stress / depression for months now,
only it has recently gotten to the point where he could
not get out of bed for work. He went to our GP who diagnosed depression. The doc
reccommended that he take some time off from work and started to write
a note for four weeks. Well my husband told him to write it for two weeks
and we would see where he was at that point as he didn't want to take too
much time off of work. The doc agreed and my husband called his boss.
His boss asked him 'Do you think you're sttressed?' His boss then proceeds to write a letter complaining
about the time off and saying that he hopes that this will be 'the end of the
problems'. Well, needless to say this made my husband feel worse about the situation. I am so angry that his boss had the nerve to imply that he was 'faking it'.
I guess this just goes to show that depression still is not seen as an
actual illness. It was hard enough for my husband to come to terms with the
diagnosiss, and now this. His boss did suggest that if he needed more time off that he would need to see their
doctor. I am suggesting that he see him or her anyway and get the diagnosis confirmed so his
boss will know it is legitimate. This is seriously
frustrating.Thanks for listening.
Jen
Posted by JohnL on November 7, 1999, at 6:55:15
In reply to Depression in the workplace, posted by Jen on November 7, 1999, at 4:48:13
> ...This is seriously
> frustrating...
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> JenHi Jen. Boy that's no joke! I once had a real legitimate physical workplace injury that required a cast, months of therapy, and eventual withdrawal from the job due to inability to return to it due to reaggravating the injury. Enormous workplace discrimination and stigma. And that was a legitimate injury.
Mental illness is so poorly understood by those blessed ones who have never experienced it. Some people find workplace support. Others find workplace stigmatization. Personally I've only seen inferior stigmas attached to folks with mental illness at work. That's why I keep mine private. Even if I found my coworkers supportive (I'll never know cause I'm not gonna risk it), if/when the economy gets bad and people get laid-off, workers with known 'weaknesses' will likely be at the top of the chop list. Not that it's a weakness, but it is SEEn as being one from many outsiders.
I've been in your husband's shoes. It was bad. Real bad. From my own experience I think staying home is the worst thing to do. Beginning medication immediately and staying connected with society is best in my opinion. It's 'nearly' impossible to get out bed. But not impossible. It's torture to get in the car to go to work. But possible. It's a nightmare to walk through that front door at work and face the day. Especially when you're harboring secret pain and suffering. But not impossible.
Different people will have different views on how to handle it. But if I could go back and do it all over again, I wouldn't share my problem with anyone at work. Especially the boss. I would plow through each hour of each day as best as possible, focusing on what's right in front of me at the moment and blocking out everything else. Sticking to basics. Withdrawn but mildly productive. And as long as medication is involved, there is all the reason in the world to know that these nightmarish days will begin to subside in about 2 weeks. There is an end in sight, and with medication it's just around the corner.
If everyone at work already knows, then I would begin acting (faking) like the whole thing was just a temporary fluke and put an end to it. That is accomplished by showing up at work and doing one's job. Just the basics. Survival. Get by. It's about the hardest thing I've ever done, so believe me I understand. But to me workplace discrimination is harder. I can't afford to lose my paycheck. At least now I'm just depressed. I would rather be employed and depressed than unemployed and depressed. Now THAT would be stress! Can you gather up every ounce of energy and get back to work? And is there medication involved? With medication, everything will get better in a couple weeks. There is an end in sight. Without medication, there is no end in sight. Could go on for a long time. I truly don't think time off and rest is going to do any good at all. Will even make the whole situation worse. Will only delay. Prescription and back to work. No delay. I know it sounds tough, but like I said, I've been there exactly. Just my own experience. If the doc hasn't prescribed medication yet, I think he is being WAY too conservative here. This requires aggressive prompt serious intervention. I know of no one who can afford to take 2 or 4 weeks off of work. If no prescription yet, I would go back to the doc immediatley. I don't mean to sound pro-medicine. It's just that rest doesn't often help much. It provides temporary retrieve but only delays the inevitable worsening. I'm just rambling from my own personal experiences, but I hope some of it is helpful to you.
Posted by Noa on November 7, 1999, at 9:55:38
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by JohnL on November 7, 1999, at 6:55:15
jen, you might like to go to the archives and read a long thread on this topic. (Just dont' bring the thread forward--some people here get miffed about that).
I also think you will get very different responses from different people.I would recommend seeing a psychiatrist, finding a medication that works, and getting back to work as soon as possible. Staying out of work might be necessary, but how will the time be spent? I know from experience that lying around can make it worse. Is your husband in therapy? It might really help. Perhaps some intensive work in therapy while he is out of work. This would also give the meds time to kick in.
As for whether to tell the boss more, I don't know how to advise you. It's a tough question. BTW, BOB (not DR.) will no doubt have lots to say on all of this.
Posted by Bob on November 7, 1999, at 16:13:19
In reply to Depression in the workplace, posted by Jen on November 7, 1999, at 4:48:13
Gee, Noa, how'd you know I'd chime in? =^P
Jen, it's time to lace up the steel-toed boots.
I'm dealing with considerable harrassment on this sort of thing right now -- have been for over the last year. So yeah, I do have a lot of things on the topic. As it is, my meds have me in a place psychologically where I am very stable, very assertive, and confident to the point of arrogance (tho I keep my lips tight about that at work;^). Keep that in mind when you read what I have to say, since it certainly does influence how I've approached matters.
Issue #1: Refuse to be a victim.
You're husband is ill. He needs treatment. It could be comparable to the flu or to epilepsy (see point 2), but either way it's treatable. His boss, on the other hand, is acting bigotted (describe behaviors that can change, not traits that are stable). He needs to be handle firmly and assertively. He's wrong, and he needs to be educated as to why he is wrong. But his judgment about your husband's performance is essentially flawed by his stereotypic beliefs and is not to be trusted.Issue #2: see a psychiatrist.
You say your husband has been suffering from stress/depression for a few months now. It's time for both of you to be completely, even brutally, honest with yourselves. Is it truly just for "a few months"? Something acute and situational, tied to some recent event in his life that threw him for a loop? If so, the Supreme Court recently made a ruling that such acute "disorders" that are easily treatable by medication or other therapies and tend to be resolved resonably quickly do NOT qualify for protection under the Americans with Disabilities Act. On the other hand, are these symptoms of a long-standing, chronic disorder that he can no longer manage on his own? Once he starts treatment, is he going to need to stay on treatment for the forseeable future (and even beyond)? The persistence of such a disorder and the inability of treatment to totally alleviate it WILL qualify for protection under the ADA. So, get to a pro -- have your GP recommend a psychiatrist for a proper, full diagnosis. Be prepared for meds, for talk therapy (with perhaps someone else; a psychologist or social worker, as many psychiatrists specialize in the medication end of the business), and for being labelled. The label may be a source of shame or no big deal, but it is something you'll be able to wield like a weapon and shield against the irresponsible behavior of the Boss.Issue #3: fully research your benefits.
This should actually be something you do before seeing the psychiatrist -- it will help your pdoc advise you in the decisions you'll need to make. What is your out-patient psychiatric coverage? In-patient coverage? What disability benefits does he have, and how long will it take before they kick in? If he needs time off, he should probably take it as disability leave -- there should be some protections in terms of returning to his old job (this is one area I'm not up on). As Noa said, if he needs to take some time off, then he should use it productively. Becoming a bedslug or moldy couch potato won't help one bit. Schedule every day, focus on activities that would be healing. I know that if I was in a place where I needed to take disability (and I've almost been there recently), I'd schedule my time to be out of my apartment as much as possible -- catching up on my photography hobby, volunteering, and spending some time in parks or cafes just taking time away from everything, allowing myself to decompress, and keeping a journal to document any changes in my feelings.Taking that time off from the job should be considered very carefully. Given what Mr. Boss has said, I'd start considering the situation as hostile and start doing everything I could to "subvert" it. Unlike what JohnL has to say, I'd say if he's going to work, then he should focus on doing his best work every right now and not just enough to get by. If Mr. Boss has some job action cooking up his sleeve, you will want the preponderance of evidence to completely undermine anything Mr. Boss complains about. Demonstrate that not only are his judgments about your husband's condition discriminatory and unreasonable, but that his performance as a supervisor is clearly influenced by his biases. On your side, cooperate and follow along as much as possible. I'm not saying that your husband needs to be a yes-man. I've complied with the actions required of me, even though they are clearly discriminatory, solely to demonstrate I am being reasonable. At the same time, I have submitted written protests for my work file stating my objections and how they are in fact discriminatory. The key, as I understand it from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, as to what is discriminatory relates to (a) how much a job action refers to an employee's disorder and (b) how specific or uncommon the action is compared to what is normally done with below-average workers. For me, this meant my Boss and HR director (1) devised an evaluation process specifically for me, (2) documented nowhere in company policy and, in fact, contradictory to aspects of company policy, and (3) all in response to me asking that "reasonable accommodations" be made for me due to my disorder. Three strikes -- I'm in the process of taking it to the umpire right now.
Issue #4-- document, document, document
Get it all in writing. Tape meetings. Keep copies of all the papers you submit to your employer. Again, you're not in Kansas anymore ... more like shark-infested waters. Assume his boss is preparing to make take unreasonable actions, and be prepared to slam dunk him when it happens.Issue #5 -- get educated
At http://idt.net/~raboyle/babble/, you will find five PDF files (named nami1 to nami5.pdf) that have useful information from the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Read it. Know what your husband's rights are under the law, and impress them upon his Boss. Even give Boss copies, so that you can say you tried to educate him about these issues. Contact your local NAMI affiliate (you can find this person at their website -- www.nami.org) and find out where your local EEOC office is. Get educated about the complaint process. If something happens, you just can't go out and sue under the ADA. There is a specific process that must be followed, including trying all internal remedies before involving the EEOC. So, who can your husband go to inside your company to help mediate a dispute with his boss? Hopefully, he'll have a better experience than mine (my human resources director sees us as resources to be mined and abandoned when spent, not humans in need of employment services).Issue #6 -- put your finances in order.
If your husband does go on disability and there is a lag before benefits kick in, can you afford it? Alternately, if things deteriorate at work, what's your husband's plan to bail? Workers in general right now are lucky -- there are too many jobs and not enough candidates. If he does take even a few days off, he should seriously consider updating his resume and pounding the pavement. In many fields, he may find a better job relatively easily. It all depends, of course, on the nature of his work. For me, I am going into the EEOC (it's taken me six months, but I have exhausted all internal options to remedy my situation) with the knowledge that I have my choice of jobs with two different employers, both of which will probably mean a 35-40% raise for me, as soon as I am ready to leave (which will be January 3 ... I have my timetable down quite exactly). This sort of knowledge, which of course I am withholding and even hiding from my employer (in terms of still making long-term plans and goals with my Boss past January), can give you one helluva lot more backbone.Issue #last -- don't be selfish (better motives)
Like you said, Jen, this is so damnably frustrating to deal with ... we're supposed to be an enlightened society after all. But depression is an invisible disability. We have no physical deformations (other than wrist scars, chewed nails, pulled out hair ... all things we try to hide if we have them), our voices, hearing, and sight all seem fine. There's nothing about us that, if you put us in a line-up with a groups of "normals", would clue you in on our disorders. It makes us all that much more difficult to believe, not even taking into consideration cultural biases, stereotypes, and stigmas. The worse this fight will get, the more you'll just want to kick some serious ass. But if your husband is a Star Trek fan, remind him of the Klingon proverb that revenge is a dish best served cold. This is no time to be hot-headed. It is a time to be cold, reasoned, and calculating, making sure you cover each and every base. And once you are in the position to take action, remember this: there are many people out there, even out here on this board, who do not have the support or resources to do what you and your husband can do together. That is the biggest message I have gotten in my previous workplace discrimination threads -- that what I have the energy and the spit to do in my situation is encouraging to others in the same position. I also know from the statistics on depression that at least three other people at my company (probably more, given the nature of our work) have the potential to be in my shoes tomorrow, or may already be there. What I am doing to correct the errors of my employer will benefit all of my silent coworkers. All my desires for revenge pale against that consideration.Time to get off the soap box ... that's my story, and I'm sticking to it! I hope that helps, Jen. Tell your husband to stop on by ... he's more than welcome. What he is going through is nothing to be ashamed of ... most of us here have been in comparable situations, I'm sure, have felt the shame, and can tell you both from experience that it just isn't deserved.
All my best to both of you,
Bob
Posted by JohnL on November 8, 1999, at 3:36:26
In reply to Workplace discrimination (lonnnnnnnng), posted by Bob on November 7, 1999, at 16:13:19
Just a follow up to my previous post. Bob mentioned getting back to work and performing at a high level so the boss will have no ammunition to take action based on work performance. I mentioned getting back to work and sticking to basics. Bob is right. At a bare minimum, get the basics done. Perferably excell at the job though. In either case, I think the consensus from those of us with the unfortunate experiences in this issue is that returning to work and seeking medical attention are top priorities. Bob also made an excellent point of documenting everything. Hopefully you'll never need to make a case. But if so, documentation is powerful ammunition. In the mentime, might want to consider the real possibility that this problem is not going to go away on its own. Medical attention seems prudent ASAP. And like Bob said, be prepared for medication. In my opinion medication is mandatory in this case, with or without accompanying counseling. Don't kid yourself that this whole thing is some kind of temporary fluke that's just going to clear up on its own any day now.
Posted by Bob on November 8, 1999, at 9:25:13
In reply to Re: Workplace discrimination , posted by JohnL on November 8, 1999, at 3:36:26
I think the one thing in common in all of this is to take action. Do not wait a moment to start putting things into action. That's what shame and stigma will do to you -- make you want to wait, to delay, to see if things will clear up on their own. Sure, there is probably some chance between a sure thing and diddly-squat that it will clear up on its own. In the mean time, you suffer. So don't. Don't wait, don't let your husband cave into feelings of inadequacy, fight the lethargy -- go out and take some positive action. My money is on things getting far worse if you just let it lie, and taking action then will be all that much harder.
Again, Jen, encourage your husband to stop by. Let him know he has friends here who have walked a parallel path and can help him through what he'll face.
Bless you both,
Bob
Posted by Louisa on November 8, 1999, at 18:06:54
In reply to Depression in the workplace, posted by Jen on November 7, 1999, at 4:48:13
There was an article on depression in the workplace in the Sunday New York Times yesterday (business section). Unfortunately, I didn't read it on line, so I can't e it to you, but you might try to locate a copy. It's not really mindshattering, but does talk about how companies are trying to cope with the situation. If you could find a copy, you might be able to give a copy to your husband's boss, for instance.
Good luck --
Louisa
Posted by Phil on November 8, 1999, at 20:03:01
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Louisa on November 8, 1999, at 18:06:54
Jen, I asked for 2 weeks unpaid leave a few weeks ago at the small company I work for.
The boss was truly concerned...about his checkbook! Told me he and his wife were worried I was going to write myself a huge check and haul ass!
I have been to hell and back with depression but I have worked for this prick(sorry) for 3 and1/2 years. That comment hurt!
I faxed him my resignation the next day. Believe me, most BUSINESSES or some, if not most, of the higher ups could give a rats ass about your husbands depression. We are evolving very slowly. Just my opinion, Phil
Posted by Jen on November 9, 1999, at 4:14:20
In reply to What JohnL said (and how!), posted by Bob on November 8, 1999, at 9:25:13
> I think the one thing in common in all of this is to take action. Do not wait a moment to start putting things into action. That's what shame and stigma will do to you -- make you want to wait, to delay, to see if things will clear up on their own. Sure, there is probably some chance between a sure thing and diddly-squat that it will clear up on its own. In the mean time, you suffer. So don't. Don't wait, don't let your husband cave into feelings of inadequacy, fight the lethargy -- go out and take some positive action. My money is on things getting far worse if you just let it lie, and taking action then will be all that much harder.
>
> Again, Jen, encourage your husband to stop by. Let him know he has friends here who have walked a parallel path and can help him through what he'll face.
>
> Bless you both,
> BobBob,
Thanks for the encouragement. The hardest part of this is that I know what he's going
through because I have suffered with the same thing myself. The only difference is that I do not work at the moment so I am not having to deal with a boss.
How do you convince someone to seek treatment when they think they're not depressed? They pawn it off on stress and think it will go away? Well, thanks for your input. It is good to know there are others who have gone through this too.
Posted by Jen on November 9, 1999, at 4:18:53
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Phil on November 8, 1999, at 20:03:01
> Jen, I asked for 2 weeks unpaid leave a few weeks ago at the small company I work for.
> The boss was truly concerned...about his checkbook! Told me he and his wife were worried I was going to write myself a huge check and haul ass!
> I have been to hell and back with depression but I have worked for this prick(sorry) for 3 and1/2 years. That comment hurt!
> I faxed him my resignation the next day. Believe me, most BUSINESSES or some, if not most, of the higher ups could give a rats ass about your husbands depression. We are evolving very slowly. Just my opinion, PhilPhil,
I agree with you there. Tom has said that he in sreally tempted to look elsewhere for a job.
These bosses are so damn ignorant. They can't see that people need to be healthy mentally and physically to work at peak levels?
Thanks for sharing.Jen
Posted by Phil on November 9, 1999, at 6:42:21
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Jen on November 9, 1999, at 4:18:53
Jen,
I worked on my resume as much as I could yesterday. I'm still with this company in a sales position but Sick workplaces are not good for depressives. That will narrow the potential future employers a great deal. I pray for all that suffer.Phil
Posted by Noa on November 9, 1999, at 6:51:16
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Phil on November 9, 1999, at 6:42:21
Unfortunately most of us, when depressed, are not in a position to be unemployed, sans paycheck, or in the right frame of mind to go promote ourselves on the job market. Your ability to up and leave your job shows a certain strength.
Posted by Bob on November 9, 1999, at 23:12:12
In reply to Re: What JohnL said (and how!), posted by Jen on November 9, 1999, at 4:14:20
> How do you convince someone to seek treatment when they think they're not depressed? They pawn it off on stress and think it will go away?
I wish my older brother would get on this board and read that question. (For folks who remember my story, this is my brother who survived the boating accident, at age 10, hanging onto the keel of a capsized boat through 18 hours of choppy seas on Lake Huron.) He was in denial a lot longer than me, but he credits my being "out" about be depressed, always talking about it matter-of-factly as if it were any other "normal" aspect of my life, as what got him to start asking questions of himself. Finally, that led him to ask me what he should do, and he was far more receptive then to what I had to say than if I had pushed myself on him.
I guess, at some level, it's just something you need to come to grips with on your own, but a good role model doesn't hurt.
As for the lack of evidence of evolutionary sophistication among the Boss subspecies, I'd say that the Peter Principle explains how they get where they get fairly well. We non-Bosses ARE more evolved.
(We are not management. We are Devo?)
Bob
Posted by Bob (again) on November 9, 1999, at 23:17:27
In reply to Unvicious cycles, posted by Bob on November 9, 1999, at 23:12:12
(all this latenight rambling ... forgot what I meant by the subject line...)
Self-fulfiling prophecies can work both ways.
Kinda goes along the lines of nothing succeeds like success. Sure, my meds have something to do with my current stability and how that stability will allow for a firm "plant" when I start kicking management tail on Thursday, but I have to admit that all the support here and in the Real World (like from my GP, congratulating me on not allowing myself to be victimized) has also egged me on quite a bit.
So, if you feel an edge, capitalize on it.
Bob
Posted by JohnL on November 10, 1999, at 3:48:44
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Noa on November 9, 1999, at 6:51:16
> Unfortunately most of us, when depressed, are not in a position to be unemployed, sans paycheck, or in the right frame of mind to go promote ourselves on the job market...
How true. Strange though how things can work out just by going through the motions of trying. My current job is the best I've ever had. Took a while though. I could have wallpapered my room with rejection letters. I got my job in the midst of a severe depressive bout. I was unemployed, broke, had no choice. Answered newspaper ads, filled out applications at employment agencies, temp services, etc. Had to force one leg in front of the other. Force myself into the car. Force myself with a pen. What a nightmare doing that. It was like watching myself from the outside in. Almost like spectatoring. I was so detached. Just going through the motions. I failed miserably at a job interview (for the job I now have). Couldn't think. Couldn' talk well. Couldn't answer questions well. Brain just wouldn't function. Too depressed. In the end, I got the job because my new boss said I showed the most interest in it, even though I was less qualified than others, and even though my interview was just 'OK'. He wanted someone really interested. Somehow in my desperation and forceful effort, my new boss saw something he liked...someone who's not a quitter. Moral of the story...1)There's always a silver lining, 2)You never know what might happen if you just try. :)
Posted by Louisa on November 10, 1999, at 15:51:21
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by JohnL on November 10, 1999, at 3:48:44
For anyone interested, here's the article that was in Sunday's NYTimes on depression in the workplace.
http://www10.nytimes.com/library/financial/sunday/110799personal-mental.html
Louisa
Posted by Bob on November 10, 1999, at 15:58:14
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Louisa on November 10, 1999, at 15:51:21
> http://www10.nytimes.com/library/financial/sunday/110799personal-mental.html
Thanks, Louisa!!
Bob
Posted by Luke on November 10, 1999, at 21:45:33
In reply to Depression in the workplace, posted by Jen on November 7, 1999, at 4:48:13
This won't help anyone who is being discriminated against, but I thought of this thread during a conversation with my boss today and wanted to share my good luck.
I am a journalist. This time last year I was winning awards, and I was my editor's favorite. Then my ever-present moderate depression took a turn for the worse. I became a zombie. Kept wondering when I would get fired. I just went to the doc a couple of months ago, just started an AD a few weeks ago.
Today I'm in my editor's office, he says "close the door." I close it and sit. He tells me I'm being slack, wasting my life, he's tired of it.
I say something like "I know, I'm working on it."
He says "chronic depression." (he's in his mid-50s, 30 years older than I)
I nod.
He says "I know, I've been there. Zoloft worked for me. It's burnout. Now you know what the problem is, so do something about it. Get better. We need you in the news room."And I thought, He is a good man, and I am a lucky man.
Posted by Bob on November 10, 1999, at 22:07:17
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Luke on November 10, 1999, at 21:45:33
> And I thought, He is a good man, and I am a lucky man.
Hey Luke, make sure you tell him so.
... for those of us who ARE being discrminated against.
Bob
Posted by Luke on November 11, 1999, at 10:32:48
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Bob on November 10, 1999, at 22:07:17
I told him more than once, Bob.
Good luck to you.
Posted by Bob on November 11, 1999, at 18:57:48
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Luke on November 11, 1999, at 10:32:48
I took Wednesday and Thursday off to clear my mind, get some rest, and file my discrimination charge against my employer. Did a fine job of procrastinating and work avoidance on Wednesday, but I got up early on Thursday and worked my butt off, pulling together all the supporting papers I needed to file. Finished about 2PM, and was about to head out to the EEOC, wondering if I'd have time to have stuff notarized at some bank and then get copies of everything made ... and then it hit me:
I had picked a federal holiday to file my charge with the EEOC.
Posted by mary on November 11, 1999, at 19:19:54
In reply to Re: Depression in the workplace, posted by Luke on November 10, 1999, at 21:45:33
How lucky you are (in a way)! Why is it that the only way people truly understand is to have been there, done that. What a man he is to care so much for a great and worthwhile employee. Good luck. Would love to clone him in management courses.
Mary>
>
> And I thought, He is a good man, and I am a lucky man.
Posted by mary on November 11, 1999, at 19:23:52
In reply to The BIG day ... not!, posted by Bob on November 11, 1999, at 18:57:48
LOLOF A typical response for true procrastinaters. Reread it all beffore the morrow. Maybe there was something that needed to be reworded. Good luck. The postman returns on the 12th.
Mary>
> I had picked a federal holiday to file my charge with the EEOC.
Posted by Bob on November 12, 1999, at 20:28:21
In reply to FU Re: The BIG day ... not!, posted by mary on November 11, 1999, at 19:23:52
> > I had picked a federal holiday to file my charge with the EEOC.
> LOLOF A typical response for true procrastinaters.
Yeah, I hope those following my melodrama got as good a laugh as I did from it, too.
Well, hate to spoil things, but its in. The notarized charge of discrimination, the three page attachment describing the complaint, and 88 pages of for-EEOC-eyes-only supporting documents ... x4 additional copies. Could seem a bit anticlimatic, but it will take them around ten business days before they serve the charge on my employer ... THEN things should get interesting. After all, my employer has state and federal grants totalling probably a couple million bucks that depend on, among other things, their compliance with EEOC hiring and labor practices.
Stay tuned, sports fans ... no obese individual of either gender has started singing yet.
Bob
Posted by Bob on November 16, 1999, at 22:56:18
In reply to Re: FU Re: The BIG day ... not!, posted by Bob on November 12, 1999, at 20:28:21
Doc ... I wanna kill.
Yep, it's another one of those Alice's Restaurant Thanksgiving Day Massacree moments....
This illegitimate extended review process with no basis on company policy that was imposed on me AFTER I requested reasonable accommodations be made ... the one that was supposed to end October 18 but, on October 18, was extened for 2 more meetings (one more month) because Madam HR cancelled at the last minute on two other meetings (and so saw fit to reschedule them at the last minute) ... the one that was FINALLY supposed (notice the past tense) to end on Wednesday, Nov 17? Ms. HR forgot to put the meeting in her calender. So it's been pushed back another week.
And I wonder what would have happened if *I* were the one who had forgotten to put it in MY calendar.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
BobSomeone's going to catch it, me fine young drugees...
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