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Posted by j grimek on June 11, 1999, at 21:02:06
Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
'no pun intended'
Posted by saintjames on June 11, 1999, at 23:11:20
In reply to danger of ssri's, posted by j grimek on June 11, 1999, at 21:02:06
>
> Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> 'no pun intended'James here...
It is just more noise to ignore.
james
Posted by jamie on June 12, 1999, at 2:49:10
In reply to danger of ssri's, posted by j grimek on June 11, 1999, at 21:02:06
>
> Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> 'no pun intended'Agree with saintjames. The author(s) have obviously not experienced the despair of mental illness. While serious complications and death do sometimes result from drug therapy, they are almost always related to irresponsible use, violating the drug's instructions for use. Have you heard the saying, "There are no safe drugs, only safe doses". Makes sense. Think of the thousands or millions who would have died, due to suicide or other complications, without the therapy of drugs. Compared to the hundreds or thousands that die or suffer from abuse of those same drugs. It's more dangerous to get in the car everyday. Let the author(s) of this article become mentally ill and withdraw any medical options from their consideration. ThATS's a sentence of death. jamie
Posted by Sean on June 12, 1999, at 13:31:05
In reply to danger of ssri's, posted by j grimek on June 11, 1999, at 21:02:06
>
> Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> 'no pun intended'This looks like a Scientology site. I would ignore
it, although serotonin syndrome can be real.Re: psychedelics- the actual mechanism by which
LSD and psilocybin produce effects is still
being studied. All I can say from personal
experience is that the SSRI's are NOTHING
like LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, or PCP. The
only party drug that seems similar in some
ways is MDMA, which by the way, SSRI's can
actually help mitigate the neurotoxic effects
of.There are dangers to SSRI's and all meds. But there
are also dangers of not treating mental illness.
I personally believe the drug companies do mis
represent their products, but in the long run,
the truth always wins...Sean.
Posted by Tom on June 14, 1999, at 12:09:01
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Sean on June 12, 1999, at 13:31:05
> >
> > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > 'no pun intended'
>
> This looks like a Scientology site. I would ignore
> it, although serotonin syndrome can be real.
>
> Re: psychedelics- the actual mechanism by which
> LSD and psilocybin produce effects is still
> being studied. All I can say from personal
> experience is that the SSRI's are NOTHING
> like LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, or PCP. The
> only party drug that seems similar in some
> ways is MDMA, which by the way, SSRI's can
> actually help mitigate the neurotoxic effects
> of.
>
> There are dangers to SSRI's and all meds. But there
> are also dangers of not treating mental illness.
> I personally believe the drug companies do mis
> represent their products, but in the long run,
> the truth always wins...
>
> Sean.
Sorry, folks. The site is for real. There is inherent danger in AD's, even at recommended dosages. You must be living in a vacuum if you
can't admit that these drugs can cause severe, adverse reactions, even when used correctly. Prozac at minimal dosages (less than 5mg) nearly made
me psychotic. I thought it was just me going off the deep end. I must admit that there should be a happy medium for the pro-drug and anti-drug group, but it seems
neither wants to budge. And the depressed folks just sit in the middle waiting for the real answer...
Posted by ruth on June 14, 1999, at 12:57:22
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Tom on June 14, 1999, at 12:09:01
Like Sean said, there are dangers inherent in ANY
medicines--You're always going to be able to find
alarmist reports about any drug out there--there
aren't any that can claim to be 100% safe, b/c
there will always be folks who will have adverse
effects.
Posted by Sean on June 14, 1999, at 16:52:37
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Tom on June 14, 1999, at 12:09:01
> > >
> > > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > > 'no pun intended'
> >
> > This looks like a Scientology site. I would ignore
> > it, although serotonin syndrome can be real.
> >
> > Re: psychedelics- the actual mechanism by which
> > LSD and psilocybin produce effects is still
> > being studied. All I can say from personal
> > experience is that the SSRI's are NOTHING
> > like LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, or PCP. The
> > only party drug that seems similar in some
> > ways is MDMA, which by the way, SSRI's can
> > actually help mitigate the neurotoxic effects
> > of.
> >
> > There are dangers to SSRI's and all meds. But there
> > are also dangers of not treating mental illness.
> > I personally believe the drug companies do mis
> > represent their products, but in the long run,
> > the truth always wins...
> >
> > Sean.
>
>
> Sorry, folks. The site is for real. There is inherent danger in AD's, even at recommended dosages. You must be living in a vacuum if you
> can't admit that these drugs can cause severe, adverse reactions, even when used correctly. Prozac at minimal dosages (less than 5mg) nearly made
> me psychotic. I thought it was just me going off the deep end. I must admit that there should be a happy medium for the pro-drug and anti-drug group, but it seems
> neither wants to budge. And the depressed folks just sit in the middle waiting for the real answer...
>
>So can aspirin, pseudaphedreine, and midol... But
the fact remains for the vast majority of people,
these side effects are not severe enough to
discontinue the drug.On the flip side, our understanding of both the
biological and environmental as pects of mental
health are increasing all the time, so it is
likely that better medications will emerge over
time...Personally, I don't like SSRI's, but to say they
are bad because the exert an influence on some of
the same neurotransmitter systems as LSD is not
adding any new information to the picture.
Maybe it is *necessary* for the serotonin system
to be involved to some degree, or for some people,
given the idiosyncratic chemistry of their
brain, serotonin is a big part of their depression.Would you deny those who receive benefit based
on your criteria?I would not, nor would I condone "forcing" these
compounds on people. But for the most part, we
are free to medicate or not medicate. I personally
think we should be free to take any drug.Sean.
Posted by Tom on June 15, 1999, at 12:10:03
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Sean on June 14, 1999, at 16:52:37
I agree with you Sean. I know people get serious relief from meds. But doctors pass them out like candy without telling you that sometimes
(and I'm not talking rarely) that you might have a serious adverse reaction. Scores of people keep on taking the drug even after they know
something is not right. I guess all the literature says that these drugs are safe and effective. Tell that to someone who is having
psychotic breakdown on meds and can't figure out what's causing it. That to me is sad. I'm not going to debate the merits of biological versus psychological
origins/causes of mental illness (I've had at least one or more diagnosable emotional disorders for over 20 years!), but I wish the medical
community would come completely clean about these drugs. The first line of defense when someone reports a mental illness is to medicate them. I believe
this should be the second line of defense. Psychotherapy and other forms of therapy should be first. Meds should come second, WITH FULL DISCLOSURE
ABOUT WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN WHEN YOU TAKE MEDICINE. And I'm not talking about just reading the drug label insert that comes with your script.
When 3 in 100 might have an adverse reaction to a medicine I believe this should be discussed. Most doctors won't even discuss what's on the
label...I guess they've never had the unfortunate privelage of being on the wrong side of a doctor/patient relationship that went seriously wrong.Incidentally, I don't believe there is anything wrong with the so called "Scientlogy" web site. These groups are just trying to balance out everyone
that sits on the sideline cheerleading the medicinal side. These people are needed in our society. We the people can make up our minds.Tom
> > > >
> > > > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > > > 'no pun intended'
> > >
> > > This looks like a Scientology site. I would ignore
> > > it, although serotonin syndrome can be real.
> > >
> > > Re: psychedelics- the actual mechanism by which
> > > LSD and psilocybin produce effects is still
> > > being studied. All I can say from personal
> > > experience is that the SSRI's are NOTHING
> > > like LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, or PCP. The
> > > only party drug that seems similar in some
> > > ways is MDMA, which by the way, SSRI's can
> > > actually help mitigate the neurotoxic effects
> > > of.
> > >
> > > There are dangers to SSRI's and all meds. But there
> > > are also dangers of not treating mental illness.
> > > I personally believe the drug companies do mis
> > > represent their products, but in the long run,
> > > the truth always wins...
> > >
> > > Sean.
> >
> >
> > Sorry, folks. The site is for real. There is inherent danger in AD's, even at recommended dosages. You must be living in a vacuum if you
> > can't admit that these drugs can cause severe, adverse reactions, even when used correctly. Prozac at minimal dosages (less than 5mg) nearly made
> > me psychotic. I thought it was just me going off the deep end. I must admit that there should be a happy medium for the pro-drug and anti-drug group, but it seems
> > neither wants to budge. And the depressed folks just sit in the middle waiting for the real answer...
> >
> >
>
> So can aspirin, pseudaphedreine, and midol... But
> the fact remains for the vast majority of people,
> these side effects are not severe enough to
> discontinue the drug.
>
> On the flip side, our understanding of both the
> biological and environmental as pects of mental
> health are increasing all the time, so it is
> likely that better medications will emerge over
> time...
>
> Personally, I don't like SSRI's, but to say they
> are bad because the exert an influence on some of
> the same neurotransmitter systems as LSD is not
> adding any new information to the picture.
> Maybe it is *necessary* for the serotonin system
> to be involved to some degree, or for some people,
> given the idiosyncratic chemistry of their
> brain, serotonin is a big part of their depression.
>
> Would you deny those who receive benefit based
> on your criteria?
>
> I would not, nor would I condone "forcing" these
> compounds on people. But for the most part, we
> are free to medicate or not medicate. I personally
> think we should be free to take any drug.
>
> Sean.
Posted by Sean on June 15, 1999, at 16:45:25
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Tom on June 15, 1999, at 12:10:03
Yep, the labeling could be much more honest and
comprehensible. For example, now that the SSRI's
have been out there for a decade, they should
probably say mention that *most* people have the
sexual side effects, that you should watch out
for becoming emotionally blunted, and that the
effects of the drug will probably not last without
increases in dose or supplemental drugs! Based
on what people say here and eveybody else I talk
to, this is the most likely outcome... oh, and
for some people you could become psychotic and
perhaps even violent.Of course if they said all this stuff nobody would
take these meds right? That is the scary part for
the pharmaceutical industry, and hence their
relative silence.> I agree with you Sean. I know people get serious relief from meds. But doctors pass them out like candy without telling you that sometimes
> (and I'm not talking rarely) that you might have a serious adverse reaction. Scores of people keep on taking the drug even after they know
> something is not right. I guess all the literature says that these drugs are safe and effective. Tell that to someone who is having
> psychotic breakdown on meds and can't figure out what's causing it. That to me is sad. I'm not going to debate the merits of biological versus psychological
> origins/causes of mental illness (I've had at least one or more diagnosable emotional disorders for over 20 years!), but I wish the medical
> community would come completely clean about these drugs. The first line of defense when someone reports a mental illness is to medicate them. I believe
> this should be the second line of defense. Psychotherapy and other forms of therapy should be first. Meds should come second, WITH FULL DISCLOSURE
> ABOUT WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN WHEN YOU TAKE MEDICINE. And I'm not talking about just reading the drug label insert that comes with your script.
> When 3 in 100 might have an adverse reaction to a medicine I believe this should be discussed. Most doctors won't even discuss what's on the
> label...I guess they've never had the unfortunate privelage of being on the wrong side of a doctor/patient relationship that went seriously wrong.
>
> Incidentally, I don't believe there is anything wrong with the so called "Scientlogy" web site. These groups are just trying to balance out everyone
> that sits on the sideline cheerleading the medicinal side. These people are needed in our society. We the people can make up our minds.
>
> Tom
>
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > > > > 'no pun intended'
> > > >
> > > > This looks like a Scientology site. I would ignore
> > > > it, although serotonin syndrome can be real.
> > > >
> > > > Re: psychedelics- the actual mechanism by which
> > > > LSD and psilocybin produce effects is still
> > > > being studied. All I can say from personal
> > > > experience is that the SSRI's are NOTHING
> > > > like LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, or PCP. The
> > > > only party drug that seems similar in some
> > > > ways is MDMA, which by the way, SSRI's can
> > > > actually help mitigate the neurotoxic effects
> > > > of.
> > > >
> > > > There are dangers to SSRI's and all meds. But there
> > > > are also dangers of not treating mental illness.
> > > > I personally believe the drug companies do mis
> > > > represent their products, but in the long run,
> > > > the truth always wins...
> > > >
> > > > Sean.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, folks. The site is for real. There is inherent danger in AD's, even at recommended dosages. You must be living in a vacuum if you
> > > can't admit that these drugs can cause severe, adverse reactions, even when used correctly. Prozac at minimal dosages (less than 5mg) nearly made
> > > me psychotic. I thought it was just me going off the deep end. I must admit that there should be a happy medium for the pro-drug and anti-drug group, but it seems
> > > neither wants to budge. And the depressed folks just sit in the middle waiting for the real answer...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > So can aspirin, pseudaphedreine, and midol... But
> > the fact remains for the vast majority of people,
> > these side effects are not severe enough to
> > discontinue the drug.
> >
> > On the flip side, our understanding of both the
> > biological and environmental as pects of mental
> > health are increasing all the time, so it is
> > likely that better medications will emerge over
> > time...
> >
> > Personally, I don't like SSRI's, but to say they
> > are bad because the exert an influence on some of
> > the same neurotransmitter systems as LSD is not
> > adding any new information to the picture.
> > Maybe it is *necessary* for the serotonin system
> > to be involved to some degree, or for some people,
> > given the idiosyncratic chemistry of their
> > brain, serotonin is a big part of their depression.
> >
> > Would you deny those who receive benefit based
> > on your criteria?
> >
> > I would not, nor would I condone "forcing" these
> > compounds on people. But for the most part, we
> > are free to medicate or not medicate. I personally
> > think we should be free to take any drug.
> >
> > Sean.
Posted by KATE on June 23, 1999, at 4:20:09
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by saintjames on June 11, 1999, at 23:11:20
> >
> > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > 'no pun intended'
>
> James here...
>
> It is just more noise to ignore.
>
> jamesSAINT JAMES YOU HAVE DELUSIONS
Posted by saintjames on June 24, 1999, at 4:03:46
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's- note to saintjames, posted by KATE on June 23, 1999, at 4:20:09
> > >
> > > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > > 'no pun intended'
> >
> > James here...
> >
> > It is just more noise to ignore.
> >
> > james
>
> SAINT JAMES YOU HAVE DELUSIONSJames here....
I work with disabled persons, mental illness as primary disibility and brain injured who have secondary mood problems. I have also been on AD's since 1985. For myself I can report great sucess
with few problems. I have a full life and full range of emotions. I am very functional (normal) because of AD's. Normal people have no idea the range and depth of mental illness. Change places with me for a session I had with a client that I will never forget. He/she decided to stop meds because they were "bad". This person, even though they said "everything is ok" at the same time raised a shirtsleve to let me know the truth. The old pattern of self mutlation had started again...a straight razor was used to hack at legs and arms and infection had set in, new scars on top of old. The meds his doc had him/her on stopped this.People with their comfortable lives of normalicy
are so quick with their judgements but they are never in the room when I have to deal with open puss filled razor cuts or the new plan a person has come up with to kill themselves because the 2 other attempts failed.If you disagree with a post of mine, please by all means post your differing opinions w/o cutting my views. You do not know me.
james
Posted by Sue on June 24, 1999, at 19:57:51
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's- note to saintjames, posted by saintjames on June 24, 1999, at 4:03:46
> > > >
> > > > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > > > 'no pun intended'
> > >
> > > James here...
> > >
> > > It is just more noise to ignore.
> > >
> > > james
> >
> > SAINT JAMES YOU HAVE DELUSIONS
>
> James here....
>
> I work with disabled persons, mental illness as primary disibility and brain injured who have secondary mood problems. I have also been on AD's since 1985. For myself I can report great sucess
> with few problems. I have a full life and full range of emotions. I am very functional (normal) because of AD's. Normal people have no idea the range and depth of mental illness. Change places with me for a session I had with a client that I will never forget. He/she decided to stop meds because they were "bad". This person, even though they said "everything is ok" at the same time raised a shirtsleve to let me know the truth. The old pattern of self mutlation had started again...a straight razor was used to hack at legs and arms and infection had set in, new scars on top of old. The meds his doc had him/her on stopped this.
>
> People with their comfortable lives of normalicy
> are so quick with their judgements but they are never in the room when I have to deal with open puss filled razor cuts or the new plan a person has come up with to kill themselves because the 2 other attempts failed.
>
> If you disagree with a post of mine, please by all means post your differing opinions w/o cutting my views. You do not know me.
>
> james
James I've noticed you offer a lot of Psycho babble and I do not care to know you I agree with KATE, and you do not know us or our trials and tibulations, I've been in worst shape than some you "treat" and am drug free for depression and have gotten smart on how to handle my inbalance. It's not bad that you commit alot(some of what you say is pretty accurate) but don't be so sure that you are always right. you just come off as being so full of it sometimes. Lighten UP
>Sue
Posted by Tom on June 25, 1999, at 11:50:14
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's- note to saintjames, posted by saintjames on June 24, 1999, at 4:03:46
> > > >
> > > > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > > > 'no pun intended'
> > >
> > > James here...
> > >
> > > It is just more noise to ignore.
> > >
> > > james
> >
> > SAINT JAMES YOU HAVE DELUSIONS
>
> James here....
>
> I work with disabled persons, mental illness as primary disibility and brain injured who have secondary mood problems. I have also been on AD's since 1985. For myself I can report great sucess
> with few problems. I have a full life and full range of emotions. I am very functional (normal) because of AD's. Normal people have no idea the range and depth of mental illness. Change places with me for a session I had with a client that I will never forget. He/she decided to stop meds because they were "bad". This person, even though they said "everything is ok" at the same time raised a shirtsleve to let me know the truth. The old pattern of self mutlation had started again...a straight razor was used to hack at legs and arms and infection had set in, new scars on top of old. The meds his doc had him/her on stopped this.
>
> People with their comfortable lives of normalicy
> are so quick with their judgements but they are never in the room when I have to deal with open puss filled razor cuts or the new plan a person has come up with to kill themselves because the 2 other attempts failed.
>
> If you disagree with a post of mine, please by all means post your differing opinions w/o cutting my views. You do not know me.
>
> james"Just more noise to ignore"? You have no clue as to what damage meds can do. Your success with meds has left you know empathy for those who loathe them becasue they made their situation a thousand fold worse. ITS A FACT, SOMETIMES MEDICATION IS A WRONG, DEADLY CHOICE. Your story is very touching, and medicine may have helped this particular person, but don't dismiss other people's convictions about medication. It can damage lives as quick as it helps. And I wouldn't lump me into the "People with their comfortable lives of normalcy", as I have suffered from depression off and on for 20 years, but have almost had my life ended by
"medication". You need to keep an mind, also.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 26, 1999, at 9:29:37
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's- note to saintjames, posted by Tom on June 25, 1999, at 11:50:14
> > > SAINT JAMES YOU HAVE DELUSIONS
> > People with their comfortable lives of normalicy
> You have no clue as to what damage meds can do. Your success with meds has left you know empathy for those who loathe them becasue they made their situation a thousand fold worse.
I think it's fine to disagree with someone's opinion about something, but please try to refrain from putting down that person himself or herself.
Accusing someone of having delusions, of "just" being comfortable, or of having no clue or empathy puts down the person instead of just disagreeing with their opinion.
OK? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Elizabeth on June 26, 1999, at 20:37:22
In reply to Re: let's not get personal, posted by Dr. Bob on June 26, 1999, at 9:29:37
> Accusing someone of having delusions, of "just" being comfortable, or of having no clue or empathy puts down the person instead of just disagreeing with their opinion.
Thanks for posting this, Dr. Bob. I know how hard it must be to maintain a site like this that is free and uncensored, and I think you handle it very well.
BTW, is it just me, or does it strike you as odd that "you have delusions" would be used as an insult?
Posted by nancy on June 27, 1999, at 21:55:29
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's- note to saintjames, posted by Sue on June 24, 1999, at 19:57:51
hey, james...just turn the lights on and they'll scatter...
i'm very encouraged reading how wonderfully well you are doing...i'll get there someday...
:) nancy
Posted by Gracygump on July 18, 1999, at 14:15:31
In reply to danger of ssri's, posted by j grimek on June 11, 1999, at 21:02:06
>
> Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> 'no pun intended'
Two days ago my p-doc and I decided to withdraw from Paxil. I had the most horrifying experience I've ever had. Nobody told me three years ago when I started Paxil that I would come out of it a junkie. I feel betrayed and lied to. I have no idea how I'm going to kick this addiction. Oh, sorry. It's not an addiction, they're just "side effects." I am angry, and I am looking for info. on how to withdraw gently. I am also looking for info. on any legal action taken against these drug companies.
Posted by Erin on July 18, 1999, at 22:53:04
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Gracygump on July 18, 1999, at 14:15:31
To Gracygump-
Check out the postings this month about Paxil withdrawl. I experienced severe withdrawl symptoms and later found out that it's best to withdraw from Paxil gradually (very gradually). I've heard that decreasing the dosage in fourths over a one month period can greatly reduce the withdrawl symptoms. I've also read that augmenting with Prozac during this gradual withdrawl period can help. I ended up switching doctors because my doctor failed to tell me I'd experience withdrawl symptoms. I now understand that this happens in a majority of Paxil withdrawl cases. Let me know if I can answer any other questions for you- I don't want to sound like I am giving too much advice, but you might want to talk to another doctor.
Take care,
Erin
Posted by JohnL on July 19, 1999, at 4:50:20
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Gracygump on July 18, 1999, at 14:15:31
> >
> > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > 'no pun intended'
> Two days ago my p-doc and I decided to withdraw from Paxil. I had the most horrifying experience I've ever had. Nobody told me three years ago when I started Paxil that I would come out of it a junkie. I feel betrayed and lied to. I have no idea how I'm going to kick this addiction. Oh, sorry. It's not an addiction, they're just "side effects." I am angry, and I am looking for info. on how to withdraw gently. I am also looking for info. on any legal action taken against these drug companies.Hi Gracygump. I can relate, have withdrawn from many ADs in the past. However, it is widely known that slow tapering down is the safest way to go. Slowly cut dosage over several weeks. As you near the last week or two, a 10mg dose or two of Prozac will help because of its long half-life...it will gradually decrease in your body over a week, where Paxil will drop off very quickly in a couple days. I withdrew from a year on Paxil very slowly. Even so, after the final dose, I was rather dizzy, lightheaded, and a bit disoriented for about a week. These withdrawal symptoms can last a week or two, but be assured they do go away rather quickly. Slow tapering makes them much more mild.
It's not really an addiction, as it doesn't induce a craving for the next dose. But the body does get accustomed to the drug, many changes take place in the body, and withdrawal of the drug will certainly cause those changes to reverse, resulting in withdawal side effects. Intensity will vary depending on how fast or slow you taper down.
Don't think you'll have much luck in legal action. The instructions for the drug's proper use and discontinuation are widely known. You might have a legitimate gripe with your doc, but not the drug companies. If anything, they deserve a little credit for giving you relief from your depression for three years. In any event, it's hard to take legal action if you can't prove damages.
Just curious...Why stop Paxil? If it has worked, you might be playing with fire. If you are stable, it might be best to try a lower dosage for a couple months before quitting completely and see how you do. That depression from three years ago can return with a vengeance if you let your guard down. If the last three years have been OK, it is easy to think you are cured. Don't be lulled into complacency. That beast may be just waiting for a chance to pounce on you again. Personally I would try a lower dosage for a few months (perhaps as low as 5mg or 10mg) before letting my guard down completely. Please take care. JohnL.
Posted by Debby on August 2, 1999, at 22:57:59
In reply to Re: danger of ssri's, posted by Tom on June 14, 1999, at 12:09:01
> > >
> > > Check out www.drugawareness.org very depressing,,,
> > > 'no pun intended'
> >
> > This looks like a Scientology site. I would ignore
> > it, although serotonin syndrome can be real.
> >
> > Re: psychedelics- the actual mechanism by which
> > LSD and psilocybin produce effects is still
> > being studied. All I can say from personal
> > experience is that the SSRI's are NOTHING
> > like LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, or PCP. The
> > only party drug that seems similar in some
> > ways is MDMA, which by the way, SSRI's can
> > actually help mitigate the neurotoxic effects
> > of.
> >
> > There are dangers to SSRI's and all meds. But there
> > are also dangers of not treating mental illness.
> > I personally believe the drug companies do mis
> > represent their products, but in the long run,
> > the truth always wins...
> >
> > Sean.
>
>
> Sorry, folks. The site is for real. There is inherent danger in AD's, even at recommended dosages. You must be living in a vacuum if you
> can't admit that these drugs can cause severe, adverse reactions, even when used correctly. Prozac at minimal dosages (less than 5mg) nearly made
> me psychotic. I thought it was just me going off the deep end. I must admit that there should be a happy medium for the pro-drug and anti-drug group, but it seems
> neither wants to budge. And the depressed folks just sit in the middle waiting for the real answer...
>
>Thanks Tom for your comments. I took zyban "responsibly" to quit smoking. I got all the adverse reactions there were. Almost 2 years later I still suffer. I know of 16 others in the same boat. We all were responsible, but still reacted and still suffer.
Posted by PL on August 13, 1999, at 13:47:55
In reply to danger of ssri's, posted by j grimek on June 11, 1999, at 21:02:06
If anyone is interested http://www.hedweb.com/gooddrug.htm
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