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Posted by Sharon on June 28, 1999, at 17:16:13
I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse. Things outside of my head simply make no connection. Someone can speak to me, and it's as if they are speaking in Spanish. I simply can not follow the conversation. This is very embaressing, not to mention worrisome especially since I know that I am reasonably intelligent. When taking AD's the world around me seems as if I am in a dream world, and words that I read are simply jumbled letters. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this while taking medication or not. Thanks for your time. ~Sharon
Posted by Sean on June 28, 1999, at 17:26:28
In reply to Brain fog, posted by Sharon on June 28, 1999, at 17:16:13
> I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse. Things outside of my head simply make no connection. Someone can speak to me, and it's as if they are speaking in Spanish. I simply can not follow the conversation. This is very embaressing, not to mention worrisome especially since I know that I am reasonably intelligent. When taking AD's the world around me seems as if I am in a dream world, and words that I read are simply jumbled letters. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this while taking medication or not. Thanks for your time. ~Sharon
I do get the dreaded brain-fog. I find myself
constantly comparing my visual and mental acuity
to the times when I feel like my brain is "on".
It is so frustrating because I cannot count
on my mental abilities. As a consequence, I
really need to take AD's which cut down on the
brain fog to some degree, but do not cure them.Do you ever have smell hallucinations with the
brain fog? I usually do and it was looking this
feature up on the internet that led me to thinking
I have some kind of mild siezure disorder which
cycles along with my mood swings. Have you
tried any of the mood stabilizers? I'm considering
giving them a try (as opposed to Lithium).Please post anything you find out. Good luck,
Sean.
Posted by Sharon on June 28, 1999, at 18:37:09
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Sean on June 28, 1999, at 17:26:28
> > I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse. Things outside of my head simply make no connection. Someone can speak to me, and it's as if they are speaking in Spanish. I simply can not follow the conversation. This is very embaressing, not to mention worrisome especially since I know that I am reasonably intelligent. When taking AD's the world around me seems as if I am in a dream world, and words that I read are simply jumbled letters. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this while taking medication or not. Thanks for your time. ~Sharon
>
> I do get the dreaded brain-fog. I find myself
> constantly comparing my visual and mental acuity
> to the times when I feel like my brain is "on".
> It is so frustrating because I cannot count
> on my mental abilities. As a consequence, I
> really need to take AD's which cut down on the
> brain fog to some degree, but do not cure them.
>
> Do you ever have smell hallucinations with the
> brain fog? I usually do and it was looking this
> feature up on the internet that led me to thinking
> I have some kind of mild siezure disorder which
> cycles along with my mood swings. Have you
> tried any of the mood stabilizers? I'm considering
> giving them a try (as opposed to Lithium).
>
> Please post anything you find out. Good luck,
>
> Sean.Hi Sean,
Thanks so much for your response. I had come to the conclusion that I was the only one in the world that experienced the "brain fog". And funny that you should mention it, but when I am mentally foggy my vision is also blurry. The catch here for me is that most of medications I have tried impair my thinking and vision even more. I don't know, I guess I will never feel good or be able to think clearly again.
In answer to your question, I have not tried any of the mood stabilizers. If you do give them a try let me know how they work for you.
Have a great week.
~Sharon
Posted by saintjames on June 28, 1999, at 20:24:29
In reply to Brain fog, posted by Sharon on June 28, 1999, at 17:16:13
> I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse.
James here.....
Have you considered that you might have depression and something else ? Brain fog is common in ADD and since you mentioned vision fogging that might sugest something else at work.
When someone has run thru all the meds for depression and they don't work it is a good idea to see if there is another condition, alone or with the depression that is causing the problem.j
Posted by Kate on June 29, 1999, at 8:44:37
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by saintjames on June 28, 1999, at 20:24:29
> Have you considered that you might have depression and something else ? Brain fog is common in ADD and since you mentioned vision fogging that might sugest something else at work.
> When someone has run thru all the meds for depression and they don't work it is a good idea to see if there is another condition, alone or with the depression that is causing the problem.
>
> jjames has a good point. I just want to mention
Fibromyalgia (FMS) causes 'brain fog' and for me, when I have a 'flare-up', I have more phsyical pain,
greater 'brain fog', more depression, AND at times I have touble getting my eyes to focus with a flare-up. Please note - I'm not saying that you have FMS but I strongly agree with james that you should look into the possibly of other causes.
Take care - Kate
Posted by andrewb on June 29, 1999, at 9:31:20
In reply to Brain fog, posted by Sharon on June 28, 1999, at 17:16:13
> I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse. Things outside of my head simply make no connection. Someone can speak to me, and it's as if they are speaking in Spanish. I simply can not follow the conversation. This is very embaressing, not to mention worrisome especially since I know that I am reasonably intelligent. When taking AD's the world around me seems as if I am in a dream world, and words that I read are simply jumbled letters. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this while taking medication or not. Thanks for your time. ~Sharon
>I used to have brain fog and spots (worms) in my visual field. This occurred after I exercised, but it would last for days. Tried everything it seemed. Finally it went away when I started taking a dopamine reuptake blocker. Besides that, Gingko Biloba may help a little.
Posted by nancy on June 30, 1999, at 12:40:31
In reply to Brain fog, posted by Sharon on June 28, 1999, at 17:16:13
yes. i, too, have had exactly the same experience. i'm so sorry that you are feeling awful and having those (what i've been calling, 'the weirdies') suspended reality episodes. nancy :)
> I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse. Things outside of my head simply make no connection. Someone can speak to me, and it's as if they are speaking in Spanish. I simply can not follow the conversation. This is very embaressing, not to mention worrisome especially since I know that I am reasonably intelligent. When taking AD's the world around me seems as if I am in a dream world, and words that I read are simply jumbled letters. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this while taking medication or not. Thanks for your time. ~Sharon
Posted by nancy on June 30, 1999, at 12:46:53
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Sean on June 28, 1999, at 17:26:28
> > I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse. Things outside of my head simply make no connection. Someone can speak to me, and it's as if they are speaking in Spanish. I simply can not follow the conversation. This is very embaressing, not to mention worrisome especially since I know that I am reasonably intelligent. When taking AD's the world around me seems as if I am in a dream world, and words that I read are simply jumbled letters. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this while taking medication or not. Thanks for your time. ~Sharon
>
> I do get the dreaded brain-fog. I find myself
> constantly comparing my visual and mental acuity
> to the times when I feel like my brain is "on".
> It is so frustrating because I cannot count
> on my mental abilities. As a consequence, I
> really need to take AD's which cut down on the
> brain fog to some degree, but do not cure them.
>
> Do you ever have smell hallucinations with the
> brain fog? I usually do and it was looking this
> feature up on the internet that led me to thinking
> I have some kind of mild siezure disorder which
> cycles along with my mood swings. Have you
> tried any of the mood stabilizers? I'm considering
> giving them a try (as opposed to Lithium).
>
> Please post anything you find out. Good luck,
>
> Sean.hi, sean. you know what? I've had smell hallucinations, too. usually, is was a strong chemical scent; bleach or chlorine or formaldahyde or ammonia. i'd also get really paranoid thinking that (the infamous) "someone" was either trying to poison me or playing a trick to make me seem crazy. :) just more of my "weirdies"...nancy
Posted by Sean on July 2, 1999, at 13:27:36
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by nancy on June 30, 1999, at 12:46:53
> > > I have been chronically depressed for 51/2 years now. I have tried just about every antidepressant on the market and nothing has worked for me except for Parnate. My main problem with most of the AD's i have tried is they all make the brain fog much worse. Things outside of my head simply make no connection. Someone can speak to me, and it's as if they are speaking in Spanish. I simply can not follow the conversation. This is very embaressing, not to mention worrisome especially since I know that I am reasonably intelligent. When taking AD's the world around me seems as if I am in a dream world, and words that I read are simply jumbled letters. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this while taking medication or not. Thanks for your time. ~Sharon
> >
> > I do get the dreaded brain-fog. I find myself
> > constantly comparing my visual and mental acuity
> > to the times when I feel like my brain is "on".
> > It is so frustrating because I cannot count
> > on my mental abilities. As a consequence, I
> > really need to take AD's which cut down on the
> > brain fog to some degree, but do not cure them.
> >
> > Do you ever have smell hallucinations with the
> > brain fog? I usually do and it was looking this
> > feature up on the internet that led me to thinking
> > I have some kind of mild siezure disorder which
> > cycles along with my mood swings. Have you
> > tried any of the mood stabilizers? I'm considering
> > giving them a try (as opposed to Lithium).
> >
> > Please post anything you find out. Good luck,
> >
> > Sean.
>
> hi, sean. you know what? I've had smell hallucinations, too. usually, is was a strong chemical scent; bleach or chlorine or formaldahyde or ammonia. i'd also get really paranoid thinking that (the infamous) "someone" was either trying to poison me or playing a trick to make me seem crazy. :) just more of my "weirdies"...nancyHey Nancy-
I like your term "wierdies"... it sounds much
more benign than how I experience it! It is such
a strange expereince having mind with a "mind of
its own" isn't it? So odd. Thanks for your post...Sean.
Posted by anna on July 10, 1999, at 11:53:37
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Kate on June 29, 1999, at 8:44:37
> > Have you considered that you might have depression and something else ? Brain fog is common in ADD and since you mentioned vision fogging that might sugest something else at work.
> > When someone has run thru all the meds for depression and they don't work it is a good idea to see if there is another condition, alone or with the depression that is causing the problem.
> >
> > j
>
> james has a good point. I just want to mention
> Fibromyalgia (FMS) causes 'brain fog' and for me, when I have a 'flare-up', I have more phsyical pain,
> greater 'brain fog', more depression, AND at times I have touble getting my eyes to focus with a flare-up. Please note - I'm not saying that you have FMS but I strongly agree with james that you should look into the possibly of other causes.
> Take care - KateKate and James are right, brain fog and depression are classic symptoms of lyme disease and chronic fatigue. Did your brain fog start at the same time as your depression or when you started medications? its also part of depression but mine clears up a little when medications are working. I hope this helps. anna
Posted by Kaarina on July 11, 1999, at 13:02:52
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by anna on July 10, 1999, at 11:53:37
Sharon
I too get similar problems as you referred to when I take "anti-depressants." My family refuses to let me take them: brain fog, unpredictible anger, suicidal thoughts, can't function. Dr have rx them for pain & sleep. I believe itis really important to get medical treatment from a dr who listens. I went to a psychologist, who has helped alot. The sideeffects can be worse than the illness. Pharmascists are sometimes more up todate too.
Good Luck - Depression is a hard road it helps me knowing that it does go away.
Posted by Sharon on July 11, 1999, at 15:25:42
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Kaarina on July 11, 1999, at 13:02:52
First of all, I would like to thank everyone that has responded to my post. I am like you Kaarina in that medication makes my depression much worse. I have had all the usual bloodwork done, and nothing shows up. It is very disheartening to hear how medication helps everyone, but for some reason I can not take it. My only problem is that I have been depressed for 5 1/2 years, so I don;t have any hopes that it will ever go away.
Here's Wishing Everyone Wellness!
Sherry
> Sharon
> I too get similar problems as you referred to when I take "anti-depressants." My family refuses to let me take them: brain fog, unpredictible anger, suicidal thoughts, can't function. Dr have rx them for pain & sleep. I believe itis really important to get medical treatment from a dr who listens. I went to a psychologist, who has helped alot. The sideeffects can be worse than the illness. Pharmascists are sometimes more up todate too.
> Good Luck - Depression is a hard road it helps me knowing that it does go away.
Posted by JohnL on July 11, 1999, at 15:59:41
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Sharon on July 11, 1999, at 15:25:42
> First of all, I would like to thank everyone that has responded to my post. I am like you Kaarina in that medication makes my depression much worse. I have had all the usual bloodwork done, and nothing shows up. It is very disheartening to hear how medication helps everyone, but for some reason I can not take it. My only problem is that I have been depressed for 5 1/2 years, so I don;t have any hopes that it will ever go away.
> Here's Wishing Everyone Wellness!
> Sherry
>
>
> > Sharon
> > I too get similar problems as you referred to when I take "anti-depressants." My family refuses to let me take them: brain fog, unpredictible anger, suicidal thoughts, can't function. Dr have rx them for pain & sleep. I believe itis really important to get medical treatment from a dr who listens. I went to a psychologist, who has helped alot. The sideeffects can be worse than the illness. Pharmascists are sometimes more up todate too.
> > Good Luck - Depression is a hard road it helps me knowing that it does go away.>It breaks my heart to see the struggling. I've had ADs make me worse. Scary. Luckily not all of them though. But for those of you who seem at the end of possiblities, there are other medicines for depression that aren't ADs. I take Lamictal (a new generation anticonvulsant for bipolar). It just seems to me if an AD makes things worse, then we're barking up the wrong tree. There has been at least one person in previous posts whos depression was helped by Lamictal but nothing else. I just think in some cases ADs won't work because they are missing the target. Something else you don't expect might hit a bullseye. Lamictal by the way has very mild side effects, and I am overly sensitive. I hope for you to regain strength in search of treatment, because suffering has been way too long. If ADs make it worse, look somewhere else. Like Lamictal. Or who knows what. A good doctor knows there are other choices to battle depression. Wishing you strength. JohnL.
Posted by Sharon on July 11, 1999, at 16:16:34
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by JohnL on July 11, 1999, at 15:59:41
Hey JohnL.
I read all your posts, and it sounds like you have done your research well. What exactly is Lamictal?
> > First of all, I would like to thank everyone that has responded to my post. I am like you Kaarina in that medication makes my depression much worse. I have had all the usual bloodwork done, and nothing shows up. It is very disheartening to hear how medication helps everyone, but for some reason I can not take it. My only problem is that I have been depressed for 5 1/2 years, so I don;t have any hopes that it will ever go away.
> > Here's Wishing Everyone Wellness!
> > Sherry
> >
> >
> > > Sharon
> > > I too get similar problems as you referred to when I take "anti-depressants." My family refuses to let me take them: brain fog, unpredictible anger, suicidal thoughts, can't function. Dr have rx them for pain & sleep. I believe itis really important to get medical treatment from a dr who listens. I went to a psychologist, who has helped alot. The sideeffects can be worse than the illness. Pharmascists are sometimes more up todate too.
> > > Good Luck - Depression is a hard road it helps me knowing that it does go away.
>
> >It breaks my heart to see the struggling. I've had ADs make me worse. Scary. Luckily not all of them though. But for those of you who seem at the end of possiblities, there are other medicines for depression that aren't ADs. I take Lamictal (a new generation anticonvulsant for bipolar). It just seems to me if an AD makes things worse, then we're barking up the wrong tree. There has been at least one person in previous posts whos depression was helped by Lamictal but nothing else. I just think in some cases ADs won't work because they are missing the target. Something else you don't expect might hit a bullseye. Lamictal by the way has very mild side effects, and I am overly sensitive. I hope for you to regain strength in search of treatment, because suffering has been way too long. If ADs make it worse, look somewhere else. Like Lamictal. Or who knows what. A good doctor knows there are other choices to battle depression. Wishing you strength. JohnL.
Posted by andrewb on July 12, 1999, at 11:50:36
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Sharon on July 11, 1999, at 15:25:42
> First of all, I would like to thank everyone that has responded to my post. I am like you Kaarina in that medication makes my depression much worse. I have had all the usual bloodwork done, and nothing shows up. It is very disheartening to hear how medication helps everyone, but for some reason I can not take it. My only problem is that I have been depressed for 5 1/2 years, so I don;t have any hopes that it will ever go away.
> Here's Wishing Everyone Wellness!
.
Sharon did Parnate take away your brain fog or just not make it worse? Why aren't you taking it now? I took Amineptine and my brain fog went away, a real blessing. I think it is interesting that both Amineptine and Parnate have action upon the dopamine pathways. By the way, before I took Amineptine I was taking Serzone, an SSRI, and it only made the brain fog worse!
Here's a list of some of some other antidepressants that act on the dopamine pathways and therefore may help with brain fog: Nardil (older irreversable MAO-I), Minaprine (dopamine reuptake inhibitor), Moclebemide (MAO-I), Pramipexole (D3 agonist, under investigation as an antidepressant), and Triflouperazine (can act similar to amisulpride), selegiline.
One final note, don't despair because you've had depression for 5 and a half years. Most people with chronic depressions can be helped. Perhaps you will find encuragement and learn about treatment strategies by reading the book Dysthymia and the Spectrum of Chronic Depression (Hagod S. Akiskal , ed.).
Posted by Sharon on July 12, 1999, at 18:00:55
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by andrewb on July 12, 1999, at 11:50:36
Hey Andrew,
I did experience partial relief from my depression while taking the Parnate. However, it did not help that much with the anxiety. My concentration was better, but (and I know this sounds weird)everything outside of my head still seemed as if it was dream like. The reason I discontinued the Parnate is it stopped working even when the doc tried to add toher things.
Thanks for the book referral. I will order it right away. Also, I have never heard of the other antidepressants you mentioned except for the amineptine which I read about on this site.
Have a great one! ~Sharon
> > First of all, I would like to thank everyone that has responded to my post. I am like you Kaarina in that medication makes my depression much worse. I have had all the usual bloodwork done, and nothing shows up. It is very disheartening to hear how medication helps everyone, but for some reason I can not take it. My only problem is that I have been depressed for 5 1/2 years, so I don;t have any hopes that it will ever go away.
> > Here's Wishing Everyone Wellness!
> .
> Sharon did Parnate take away your brain fog or just not make it worse? Why aren't you taking it now? I took Amineptine and my brain fog went away, a real blessing. I think it is interesting that both Amineptine and Parnate have action upon the dopamine pathways. By the way, before I took Amineptine I was taking Serzone, an SSRI, and it only made the brain fog worse!
> Here's a list of some of some other antidepressants that act on the dopamine pathways and therefore may help with brain fog: Nardil (older irreversable MAO-I), Minaprine (dopamine reuptake inhibitor), Moclebemide (MAO-I), Pramipexole (D3 agonist, under investigation as an antidepressant), and Triflouperazine (can act similar to amisulpride), selegiline.
> One final note, don't despair because you've had depression for 5 and a half years. Most people with chronic depressions can be helped. Perhaps you will find encuragement and learn about treatment strategies by reading the book Dysthymia and the Spectrum of Chronic Depression (Hagod S. Akiskal , ed.).
Posted by andrewb on July 13, 1999, at 1:28:48
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Sharon on July 12, 1999, at 18:00:55
Sharon,
However, it did not help that much with the anxiety. My concentration was better, but (and I know this sounds weird)everything outside of my head still seemed as if it was dream like. The reason I discontinued the Parnate is it stopped working even when the doc tried to add toher things.Things outside the head seeming dream-like doesn't sound so wierd to me. When I was taking Serzone I felt that way all the time! It was if I was inside a cacoon and everthing outside was somehow distant. When feeling this way I would often be reminded of a phrase from an old Beatles song, Penny Lane, "She feels as if she is in a play, and she is anyway". The more Serzone I took, the worse it got. I presume the feeling is due to an excess of seretonin at certain receptor sites. I've read of others having similar feelings when on SSRIs.
Posted by Julia on July 15, 1999, at 10:57:03
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by andrewb on June 29, 1999, at 9:31:20
Wow, Andrew, you-all were talking about "brain fog", which, on its own, is a revelation for me, as I thought (of course) that this was some sort of separate flaw of mine (being a bi-polar, ex-anorexic, etc etc).
But, you referenced an event you described as "spots, or worms" in your visual field. This sounds like something that has been a problem of mine since right after my (now 5-yr. old) daughter was born.
At first "they" said it was a side effect of some kind from the epidural, or some other residual problem following an emergency caesarian...but years went by and the visuals (I call them "waterfalls") increased. Sometimes they would go away for a long time, then other times they would repeat several times a week, lasting for anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours. I’ve seen two eye doctors and talked to my regular GP about them, not making a correlation between these visual episodes and my psychological situation…. The best diagnosis I was given, with no real testing, was that I was getting migraines without the headache….
But, I’ve just started my third week on Neurontin, after being drug-treatment-free for over a year (and getting bi-polar-ly worse). Although I have a feeling already that the neurontin is going to be “the drug for me” the worm-y-waterfalls are back at an alarming rate, sometimes two to four times a day, deeper and more visually altering…I feel like I’m on LSD…
So, question to all is, is the neurontin just in time or is it the neurontin that is making it worse or…what???? Also, I read and write for a living; so being visually impaired (I don’t even wear glasses, but now feel, on occasion, as if I’m going blind.) is terrifying me. Sorry for the long post…and thanks every one for your help and advise…
> >I used to have brain fog and spots (worms) in my visual field. This occurred after I exercised, but it would last for days. Tried everything it seemed. Finally it went away when I started taking a dopamine reuptake blocker. Besides that, Gingko Biloba may help a little.
Posted by Kaarina on July 15, 1999, at 11:33:12
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Julia on July 15, 1999, at 10:57:03
I was told that the dots are called "floaters."
And that they aren't anything of significance.
If I've done more (taxed myself) they turn into a field like a petri dish. This doesn't affect my judgement of my vision though. I just accept them as a way of my body telling me it's tired, or they are just there. They started after the birth of my first child also. Probably popped a blood vessel during delivery. LOL
Posted by Julia on July 15, 1999, at 16:37:55
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Kaarina on July 15, 1999, at 11:33:12
> I was told that the dots are called "floaters."
> And that they aren't anything of significance.
> If I've done more (taxed myself) they turn into a field like a petri dish. This doesn't affect my judgement of my vision though. I just accept them as a way of my body telling me it's tired, or they are just there. They started after the birth of my first child also. Probably popped a blood vessel during delivery. LOL
Kaarina:Actually, I think the "floaters" are something else, I've gotten them also since I was a little girl, my mother used to call them "silver swords", sort of like moving little bright things (probably where the phrase "seeing stars" came from...).... I get them after standing up too fast etc.
But, the "worm" thing is totally different, when it happens it obscures my ability to even read or write, like trying to look through a very very thick glass wall......It seems,also, that I get a bigger a more intense "worm" in my right eye's field....anyway,this is not to down-play your attempt to help at all, and I thank you for same, its just that I am eager to hear if anyone else gets this waterfall-worm thing and what they know about it.....
Posted by Kaarina on July 15, 1999, at 18:16:48
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Julia on July 15, 1999, at 16:37:55
Julia
No problem, I was just trying to reassure.
Have you asked your doctor? They seem to have an answer for most things. LOL
Posted by andrewb on July 15, 1999, at 22:31:16
In reply to Re: Brain fog, posted by Julia on July 15, 1999, at 16:37:55
Julia,
I think what I had was what Kaarina correctly termed as 'floaters,. They are worm-like spots on the visual field that look like microbes in a petri dish. They were brought on my fatigue and rising up to fast. I think it may have been related to temporary hypotension. Anyway, when I had the brain fog I would have these spots come on at times. Wellbutrin, amineptine, and amilsupride all are able to take away the brain fog and the incidents of 'floaters'.
Your condition sounds different. I'm sorry I can't think of much in the way of advice. Do you think keeping a detailed journal may help you identify something that triggers these episodes?
Best wishes
Posted by Julia on July 16, 1999, at 4:49:33
In reply to floaters, posted by andrewb on July 15, 1999, at 22:31:16
> Julia,
> I think what I had was what Kaarina correctly termed as 'floaters,. They are worm-like spots on the visual field that look like microbes in a petri dish. They were brought on my fatigue and rising up to fast. I think it may have been related to temporary hypotension. Anyway, when I had the brain fog I would have these spots come on at times. Wellbutrin, amineptine, and amilsupride all are able to take away the brain fog and the incidents of 'floaters'.
> Your condition sounds different. I'm sorry I can't think of much in the way of advice. Do you think keeping a detailed journal may help you identify something that triggers these episodes?
> Best wishesBoy, this is getting frustrating......but, thank you both for your help and support.
I think the journal suggestion is excellent, if for nothing else, then to help me keep focused at my next dr. visit.....
Andrew, you mentioned hypotension as being a catalyst, excuse my medical ignorance, is that high or low bp? The reason, I used to be chronically low, doctors often either worried (when I was young) or congratulated me as I got older. Then after a couple years of drug abuse (I'm, historically, a speed freak, but have been clean for a while now....)my bp went through the roof (no surprise...). But,although speed free, its still way up there.....Maybe there is a correlation....?
ANyway, I'm not really looking for you guys to play dr., I will bring this all up with him,I'm really just looking for shoulders to lament on, and I thank you guys for being there...
Posted by andrewb on July 16, 1999, at 12:10:31
In reply to Re: floaters etc., posted by Julia on July 16, 1999, at 4:49:46
> Andrew, you mentioned hypotension as being a catalyst, excuse my medical ignorance, is that high or low bp? The reason, I used to be chronically low, doctors often either worried (when I was young) or congratulated me as I got older. Then after a couple years of drug abuse (I'm, historically, a speed freak, but have been clean for a while now....)my bp went through the roof (no surprise...). But,although speed free, its still way up there.....Maybe there is a correlation....?
> ANyway, I'm not really looking for you guys to play dr., I will bring this all up with him,I'm really just looking for shoulders to lament on, and I thank you guys for being there...Julia,
Hypotension = low blood pressure
hypertension = high blood pressureFloaters can be brought on by low blood pressure in the head such as can happen when a person stands up.
Keep us posted on how the naltrexone is working for you.
Best wishes.
Posted by Julia on July 16, 1999, at 12:24:05
In reply to Re: floaters etc., posted by andrewb on July 16, 1999, at 12:10:31
> Hypotension = low blood pressure
> hypertension = high blood pressure
>
> Floaters can be brought on by low blood pressure in the head such as can happen when a person stands up.
> Keep us posted on how the naltrexone is working for you.
> Best wishes.
I'm on neurontin and ambien....what's naltrexone?As always, thanks to all
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