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Posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 14:59:29
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » seldomseen, posted by susan47 on August 31, 2008, at 14:36:15
What really bothers me is when things do go wrong, T's have the upper hand in establishing what happened or appeared to have happened. With their degrees, and training, they are very good at twisting things around to make it seem the client was delusional, and nothing the T did was wrong. Talk about abuse of power...
My T says that if we are overly dependent on our T's or any other relationship for that matter, the one who is depended on played a part in why this happened in developing the dependence, they get something out of it.
When I called my T a couple weeks ago because of my nightmares, and I need a kind voice to tell me I was okay. Well he told me that in cases when the client calls during periods of anxiety, if not life threatening, he will wait to call them back. He doesn't want to be the 1st line of offense when a client falls apart. He wants the client to learn to self soothe or reach out to people in their real life. So in this way he is not becoming the only source of comfort and becoming overly dependent on him. Because this dependency will be flawed at some point, like if he is on vacation, etc. He wants the client to have other avenues. I think I value this boundary wall he started with me when I first feel apart.
Posted by susan47 on August 31, 2008, at 15:00:16
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » susan47, posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 10:04:38
"Therapists tend to close the ranks to protect themselves and just can't or won't admit any culpability at all. It just makes more work for us. It's too bad, because it would really benefit everyone. "
And I said laid-back and my fingers said "Bad", laid-back=bad, and I am sorry for the value judgment, but there it is.
And I need to do something about this, because I am not the only one who is walking wounded. The walking wounded of psychotherapy. Better off I was, before I sought help.
Posted by susan47 on August 31, 2008, at 15:08:45
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility, posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 14:59:29
> What really bothers me is when things do go wrong, T's have the upper hand in establishing what happened or appeared to have happened. With their degrees, and training, they are very good at twisting things around to make it seem the client was delusional, and nothing the T did was wrong. Talk about abuse of power...
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> My T says that if we are overly dependent on our T's or any other relationship for that matter, the one who is depended on played a part in why this happened in developing the dependence, they get something out of it.My therapist said it was okay for me to come into his office between visits and sit in the anteroom. I explained I needed to do this as his presence felt threatening to me somehow, since I was falling in love with him, since I'd said what I had, I needed to be exposed to him gradually. This was okay with him. He even verbally gave me his (possibly untrue) office schedule, saying what hours and what days he was in his office, and saying that sometimes he worked out of his office in patients' homes, depending on the needs of the patient. Later on, when I realized what a boundary crossing this was, I was shocked. But I also had no idea. Shouldn't he have known? And is it, in fact, a boundary crossing to say what he did?
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> When I called my T a couple weeks ago because of my nightmares, and I need a kind voice to tell me I was okay. Well he told me that in cases when the client calls during periods of anxiety, if not life threatening, he will wait to call them back. He doesn't want to be the 1st line of offense when a client falls apart. He wants the client to learn to self soothe or reach out to people in their real life. So in this way he is not becoming the only source of comfort and becoming overly dependent on him. Because this dependency will be flawed at some point, like if he is on vacation, etc. He wants the client to have other avenues. I think I value this boundary wall he started with me when I first feel apart.
>It sounds to me like the same sort of theory my ex-T would have been operating on only my ex-T DID NOT HAVE THE FACILITY OF LANGUAGE WITH WHICH TO EXPRESS THIS. Isn't that somehow wrong?
Posted by Racer on August 31, 2008, at 15:15:03
In reply to Re: Racer-valadation, posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 14:01:02
> It IS a very good question. And again, I think my response might be a little controversial, but just bear with me.
Guess you didn't read my other post to you... I'm not going to bear with you, I'm going to appreciate your concise expression of views that largely correspond with my own.
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> I think we give a lot of credence to people we shouldn't because they say what we are most comfortable hearing. I suspect we may even seek out the bad sometimes. We are used to it "fitting" with what we think of ourselves. It may be evil, but it's a known evil.
I think somewhere in my current talking jag -- insomnia does this to me, so I'm glad it's so rare for me -- I wrote about this as it related to my late cat. How many people can say that they acted out transference with their pets? I'm pretty special that way, huh?Yes, I think we do. I'm not sure we seek it out because we feel comfortable with it, though. I'm more inclined to think it's recreating the old relationship so that we can Do It Right This Time, combined with a high level of tolerance for being treated badly.
But you know what? I think we arrived at the same destination via different routes -- we may not be standing on the same spot, but we're close enough to shake hands...
Posted by Racer on August 31, 2008, at 15:38:37
In reply to Re: Racer-valadation » seldomseen, posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 14:45:05
> I know many of us repeat the patterns of abuse or relationships like what we experienced in childhood. But shouldn't T's help us get out of that pattern instead of becoming that pattern?
Yes, therapists should do just that. But they can't do it for us -- sometimes our transference interferes with our ability to recognize and respond to that help. That's the whole shared responsibility part -- communication, by its nature, it two way. The therapist can be responsible for what is said, but the client is responsible for how it's heard.
That said, I know that sometimes my therapist hears her interpretation of what I'm saying, and not what I'm saying, so I've learned to confirm what she heard if it's important to me. If I recognize the need to do that now and again, I think therapists should, too.
> It almost sound to me, and I may be off here, but it sounds like you are putting the victim at fault here for having an unethical relationship with their T.
I didn't hear this in Seldom's posts, so I'd like to share what I did hear. It'll illustrate what I just said about communication:If we absolve ourselves of ALL responsibility for the dynamics of a failed therapeutic relationship, we're not only perpetuating a lot of the same dynamics that led to our transference reactions in the first place, we're also declaring ourselves powerless.
The problem, I think, is that there is not a lot of healthy space involved in this issue. We have to learn to accept our portion of the responsibility -- really accept it, down to our mitochondria -- because otherwise we'll always feel helpless, which will perpetuate the whole dynamic. On the other hand, we have to avoid internalizing those external messages that we're at fault -- "Now see what you're making me do to you?"
Between those to places, there's a place where we can experience both our anger for what others have done, and our own power to influence events.
Does that make sense?
Posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 15:38:58
In reply to Re: Racer-valadation » seldomseen, posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 14:45:05
"But shouldn't T's help us get out of that pattern instead of becoming that pattern?"
ABSOLUTELY! Good therapists help us to recognize patterns of behaviour that hold us back. Like when we continue to listen to people who would condemn us. Or when we continue to do that to ourselves. Not only that, but they can help us to understand WHY we do it. Sometimes that why isn't pretty, and sometimes it is squarely within our power to change it.
"It almost sound to me, and I may be off here, but it sounds like you are putting the victim at fault here for having an unethical relationship with their T."
I'm definately not putting the therapee at fault here at all. Although, when things do go bad it can be an opportunity to examine ourselves. We can learn from it. Definately. But I'm not, as I indicated before, assigning blame or making a value judgement at all.
As I've said, there are some crappy therapists out there, and sooner or later on this therapeutic journey a lot of us will run into them. Have I ever told you the story of the T that had me hold teabags during our sessions? Or the one that told me all about the abuse he suffered as child and how what I went through was nothing really? I stayed with him for six months before I bolted.
Therapy is a lot about guided introspection. Most of the work is ours to do.
Posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 15:51:18
In reply to Re: validation » seldomseen, posted by Racer on August 31, 2008, at 15:15:03
Wow! Thanks Racer :) I did read the other post. I'm blushing...
Anyway I think you have a good explanation as well as to why we continue to look to things that just - well - just aren't good for us at all.
I've never considered the "we have a high tolerance to being treated badly". I guess we do.
Transference and pets? Well, I have four rescued cats, a hand-me-down guinea pig and a dog from foster care. Not to mention all the rescue animals I work with on my volunteer vocation. I think that just about says it all.
Seldom.
Posted by Racer on August 31, 2008, at 16:28:00
In reply to Re: validation » Racer, posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 15:51:18
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> Transference and pets? Well, I have four rescued cats, a hand-me-down guinea pig and a dog from foster care. Not to mention all the rescue animals I work with on my volunteer vocation. I think that just about says it all.
Ah, but do you tolerate abusive behavior from them which mimics the dynamics of your childhood?Short version of cat story: cat was so unpredictable and so aggressive in his attacks, that after three years of working with vets, behavioral experts from a top veterinary school, and even a cat psychic (I'm so skeptical that the last is proof that I really did exhaust every avenue), the end result was a consensus of expert opinion that he should be put to sleep. As it happens, everyone else said the same thing.
But I was acting out transference -- that's all I can figure out. My relationship with this cat was so similar to that with my mother -- me desperately trying to gain the love/approval/cessation of blood loss/whatever from them, and getting attacked in return. So, I couldn't follow the vet's advice -- I hadn't fixed that recreated dynamic, and I had a desperate need to do so.
I was about to say that the thing with the cat worked out better -- then I realized my mother and I have gotten along very well for a number of years now, so maybe I had some success with both relationships...
Posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 16:30:09
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility, posted by susan47 on August 31, 2008, at 15:08:45
Susan,
Working out of a client's home is possible, it depends on the problems. Sometimes that is the problem in the first place, they can't leave their home. And some severe OCD issues too.
Posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 16:39:37
In reply to Re: Racer-valadation » lemonaide, posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 15:38:58
Me thinks I am in over my head here. lol It is a good thing I took a semeseter off because my mind is mush.
Guess what, I am going to therapy this Tues, and I am not going to think about the relationship at all, lol. I think I am trying too hard to think, I am just going to be in the moment. Thanks for trying though, it will get through eventually. :-)
Posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 17:37:38
In reply to Ah, but... » seldomseen, posted by Racer on August 31, 2008, at 16:28:00
No I don't tolerate aggression in animals under my care.
If I get a wild one (and I certainly have before) it gets its own space. I didn't get rid of her, but she definately was quarantined until she came around a little bit.
What did happen though, was I went through a strong, and very hurtful phase with my T (Oh, one of many) in which I wanted him to rescue me from all that was bad. I resolved that with him or did I just transfer it to my animals and become their rescuer?
Seldom
Posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 18:11:13
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » seldomseen, posted by susan47 on August 31, 2008, at 14:36:15
I did not mean for my thoughts to come across as laid back or glib. Perhaps you are right, and there is a hint of resignation there. I don't know.
However, in my opinion, my words or my attitude have nothing to do with your feelings of suicidality. I think those feelings are yours.
Please don't worry about offending me - you can't.
We're all in this together I guess.
Seldom.
Posted by susan47 on August 31, 2008, at 23:50:30
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » susan47, posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 18:11:13
No, of course your attitudes aren't directly related to my feelings of being suicidal. The whole attitude though that there is nothing that can be done to repair a bad therapy, the attitude that I should now fend for myself, is the attitude that makes my life feel unbearable, because as long as the bad therapy isn't repaired, that is how I tend to feel. Not a desire or a thought-out wish of mine, but a consequence of who I Am, unfortunately, being Borderline.
And your lack of understanding is obvious, and it's okay. It's all right. I don't expect you to understand; you've made yourself very clear.
Posted by seldomseen on September 1, 2008, at 6:42:02
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » seldomseen, posted by susan47 on August 31, 2008, at 23:50:30
I definately think that bad therapy can be repaired. I just think it can be hard to reach a resolution with the former therapist.
As far as being left to fend for yourself, that's a tough one. I can certainly appreciate how hard it is to trust in the first place. Not to mention how hard it would be to trust after a bad therapy experience.
However, there are a lot of people that have chosen to do just that and they post on this board. It's a long road to peace and there are a lot of obstacles on that road, but it can be traveled. It doesn't have to be viewed as a "abandon all hope all ye who enter here" type thing.
Regarding borderline personality, I don't think that is who you are at all. It may be a set of symptoms that you exhibit and need help with, but it's not the core of your person. Who told you that anyway? Was it the same T with whom you had the problems? How credible, in your mind, is that source?
You are a good good person that has been deeply deeply hurt. What I hear under all that hurt is clear voice, trying to get through that says, "I am good enough to get help, I deserve to feel some peace".
I know a lot of of people that have gotten relief with DBT. Is that available to you in your area?
Seldom
Posted by antigua3 on September 1, 2008, at 8:01:53
In reply to Re: Racer-valadation, posted by seldomseen on August 31, 2008, at 14:01:02
>>So, here comes someone who seeks to challenge that fit and replace it with what should be there. For me, it was simply a fresh kind of hell.
seldomseen, my problem is that I don't have the perception to know if what I'm getting is "heaven or hell" from my pdoc. How do you know when it's them, in reality, when you're told it's you? Yes, go with your gut instincts, but those are warped as well. I struggle with this all the time, because if I disagree with what he has to say, I'm in denial.
antigua
Posted by antigua3 on September 1, 2008, at 8:17:43
In reply to Re: Racer-valadation, posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 16:39:37
I'm like that, tending to overanalyze and over think what I want to say. Last time I didn't. I let him speak and it was a powerful, rewarding session. I came to a peace that I'd never experienced before w/him, and myself, and it has lasted somewhat.
try it; see if it works and let us know how it goes. For me, it was definitely a matter of trust,
antigua
Posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 11:02:34
In reply to Re: validation » seldomseen, posted by Racer on August 31, 2008, at 15:15:03
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> > I think we give a lot of credence to people we shouldn't because they say what we are most comfortable hearing. I suspect we may even seek out the bad sometimes. We are used to it "fitting" with what we think of ourselves. It may be evil, but it's a known evil.
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Dear old dad: "You're so ugly, you should see your face when you don't smile" "Who would want you? You're ugly" And other things, things I don't remember anymore, not right now, not this moment.
I wish I were really young again, so I could live my life the way it should have been lived.
Maybe now, at this old age, I can do it. Because one day I'll look at when I was 51 and say, "Wasn't I young then?" After all, the aches and pains are only just starting, and I know I can fend them off. Tae Kwon Do girl.There are some things I can still do.
I can still love myself, the way I should have been loved, and wasn't.> Yes, I think we do. I'm not sure we seek it out because we feel comfortable with it, though. I'm more inclined to think it's recreating the old relationship so that we can Do It Right This Time, combined with a high level of tolerance for being treated badly.
My ex-T only treated me badly when he didn't believe in me, and I think that was most often.I refuse to be seen that sick way anymore. It isn't true, it isn't real, and I can believe in myself, and I do. I have to. It's do that, or die not knowing I was a good, decent, kind, lovely person. As my father will wonder, he will wonder to his dying breath if he could have done it all differently. And this eats him today, Ibelieve, in his terminal illness, having been diagnosed with bladder cancer and now taking my two sons sailing with him .. and I wonder how this will turn out.
Will my children (24 and 12) ... will they be okay? Will they be more than okay, will their egos more than survive and vitriol thrown their way by a bitter old man ... oh, God.
And back to my therapist.
It was a masochistic love that I felt.
It was a complete annihilation of myself.
And I am angry.
The fool allowed it to (a) happen, and (b) continue.
I am so angry with him.
I am so angry with his need to be admired, to be controlling and controlled also, his need to be seen as Special almost killed me.
Posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 11:23:23
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » susan47, posted by seldomseen on September 1, 2008, at 6:42:02
> I definately think that bad therapy can be repaired. I just think it can be hard to reach a resolution with the former therapist.
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Hard, or IMPOSSIBLE? How can a resolution be reached if no responsibility is taken? The lack of responsibility leads to others being harmed. I can't sit down and pretend this didn't happen. It did. I was hurt. I could have died, easily, if I weren't borderline I may have committed suicide over this.
But I fly from one feeling to another; you have no idea. I can understand that. Don't worry about who gave me a borderline Dx. That is the thing you don't understand. Borderline is not crazy or the end of the world. It can be treated, and yes I'm getting DBT now from what I hope is a wonderful counsellor at my local mental health and addictions service. But who knows how long I will last in that program. I tend to fly from one feeling and event and thing to another in my life, because I'm so emotionally unstable, and it takes stable people around me to keep me grounded and centered, and I need family very much and I don't have family because my family of origin, for one thing, is so triggering, although I love each of them dearly and they love me, I have to maintain a good distance sometimes because I just am too deeply triggered by them. So my immediate family which includes an ex-SO and my two younger children are whom I rely on to keep me stable. I spent time in the hospital and my own Dx confirmed by several doctors there. Even if they didn't agree, I would be certain of my Dx simply because of the sure knowledge of myself over all these years, and past events which show that (a) I am emotionally unstable, and (b)I will do anything to avoid being abandoned. Abandonment is my biggest fear. None of the foregoing precludes my being a sensitive person with a big compassionate heart. It only makes everything more intense. Including my sense of disappointment in a therapist I truly felt deep, loving feelings towards.> As far as being left to fend for yourself, that's a tough one. I can certainly appreciate how hard it is to trust in the first place. Not to mention how hard it would be to trust after a bad therapy experience.
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Bad therapy experiences have to stop becoming the Norm. It has to Stop, and the bad Jokes about Borderlines also have to Stop. They have to STOP HERE. This is my mission, somehow I have to do this, to make sure this disrespect for people who are deeply emotional and passionate.> However, there are a lot of people that have chosen to do just that and they post on this board. It's a long road to peace and there are a lot of obstacles on that road, but it can be traveled.
....THERAPY SHOULD NOT BECOME AN OBSTACLE ON THE ROAD TO PEACE.
Seldomseen, you have apparently accepted the unacceptable.
> Regarding borderline personality, I don't think that is who you are at all. It may be a set of symptoms that you exhibit and need help with, but it's not the core of your person. Who told you that anyway? Was it the same T with whom you had the problems? How credible, in your mind, is that source?I've already answered this, but in case you didn't get it, it's Me, and I am extremely credible.
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> You are a good good person that has been deeply deeply hurt.Yes, I am. By a therapist, on top of a family of origin. That is unacceptable. Why did it happen and how can it be prevented from happening in ithe future???
Sincerely,
Susan
Posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 11:41:40
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » susan47, posted by lemonaide on August 31, 2008, at 16:30:09
> Susan,
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> Working out of a client's home is possible, it depends on the problems. Sometimes that is the problem in the first place, they can't leave their home. And some severe OCD issues too.
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>I agree, that is what I thought as well when he told me that, I immediately thought about that. And it made sense to me as well. I was surprised he told me that though, obviously he had no idea he was going to be dealing with eventual erotic transference, if that's what it was. It was transference, in any case.
Posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 14:02:31
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility, posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 11:41:40
Posted by seldomseen on September 1, 2008, at 14:24:26
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » seldomseen, posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 11:23:23
"Hard, or IMPOSSIBLE? How can a resolution be reached if no responsibility is taken?"
I think you can reach a resolution from within yourself. I think there is a point where what he does or doesn't do shouldn't matter anymore. We have to work on ourselves.
"....THERAPY SHOULD NOT BECOME AN OBSTACLE ON THE ROAD TO PEACE.
Seldomseen, you have apparently accepted the unacceptable"No, therapy shouldn't be. But it has been for you and I'm so sorry. It should never be that way.
Susan, I work with big cats. Big wild cats. I love the tigers, but think the leopards are the most stunning creatures of all. Very dark, very passionate, very intense. Leopards will "see red" however, and by that I mean they lose all sense of awareness to the point they don't even realize they are hurting themselves.
The best example of this comes from leopard trapping and relocation in India. With all the best intentions biologists used to lure the leopards into a cage by putting prey just out of the leopard's reach. This method had to be stopped however, because many a leopard was found mortally injured from repeatedly lunging against and ramming into the bars. But they weren't trying to get out of the cage. The cats would beat themselves to death trying to get at the prey just on the other side of the bars.
They don't seem to be to uncomfortable in the cage or even try to get out, they just see their target and can't let go of it.
Tigers don't do this
Lions don't do this
Jaguars don't do this.
Their focus is on getting out of the cage.I guess I am more like a tiger than a leopard.
Seldom
Posted by Racer on September 1, 2008, at 16:26:31
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » seldomseen, posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 11:23:23
> > I definately think that bad therapy can be repaired. I just think it can be hard to reach a resolution with the former therapist.
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> Hard, or IMPOSSIBLE? How can a resolution be reached if no responsibility is taken? The lack of responsibility leads to others being harmed. I can't sit down and pretend this didn't happen. It did. I was hurt.Susan, I'm not quite sure what's going on in this thread. You seem to be interpreting SeldomSeen's posts as attacks on you or as indicating disbelief in what you've been saying. I don't think that's the case.
In the exchange I quoted above, I read Seldom to be offering support and validation about your distress. The only disagreement I see in her post is on whether or not your recovery from that bad therapy experience depends on your ex-T saying it's his fault.
Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there's history I don't know about, but I hoped maybe this was just a misunderstanding and that maybe I could help.
By the way, Susan -- I've come to the conclusion that my own recovery from my own bad therapy experience really doesn't depend on anything the people responsible do or don't do. I imagined myself reading a letter of apology from them, and how I would feel afterward. I realized that I'd feel as though I'd read a letter of apology -- but I would also be asking, "why do I still feel so bad?" I'd still have to do the same work I'm doing now in therapy, although I'd likely also have the added trauma of the process of getting that apology.
That may not apply to anyone other than me, but I was hoping maybe you'd find it helpful, too.
Peace.
Posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 16:43:43
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » susan47, posted by seldomseen on September 1, 2008, at 14:24:26
Very nice, lovely analogy. I would like to be more like a tiger and less like a leopard, also.
Teach me how.
Take away the chains I've bound myself with, the chains of my creative heart have burst and I am bleeding to death with the NEXT F*CK*NG EMOTION,
F*ck you too, darling.
For understanding none too well, it is not your fault.
It isn't your fault.I have a Shaman coming on Thursday at 1300 hours. Soul Retrieval work, honey.
Sleep well.
Posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 16:52:04
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » susan47, posted by Racer on September 1, 2008, at 16:26:31
I don't expect an apology anymore, although some kind of notice that this person who acted so stupidly, so ignorantly, wouldn't repeat that same mistake with anyone else ever again.
That's all.
Some guarantee for the wellbeing of the next guy, because the next guy could be my daughter, I mean, who knows what innocent people get hurt by a profession that claims to be healing; I'm not arguing with anyone's analysis of the situation as it relates to my own mental health; I'm against the perception that all should now be forgotten as it was only my error. My mistake, my own work that needs to be done. My ex-T had a huge responsibility that he forfeited, he forfeit his responsibility for what? So he could be saved. So he could feel good about himself, and it didn't matter how he'd set the situation up so that I was hurt, and failed badly. It's not a matter of me carrying around a grievance or continuing to be masochistically "in love" with this therapist .. those are emotions for therapy. I recognize that this board isn't therapy, although I've certainly used the Writing portion of the boards as therapy for myself.
This is about prevention. This is about recognizing what went wrong and looking at the future with a vision for doing what's right.
That's all this is about.
It's about people NOT accepting the unnacceptable. Bad therapy needs to be acknowledged or healing ... listen, lives are WASTED because of attitudes of composure over the whole damn thing ... it's utterly ridiculous.
Posted by susan47 on September 1, 2008, at 17:00:28
In reply to Re: General thoughts on the subject of responsibility » susan47, posted by Racer on September 1, 2008, at 16:26:31
It's like saying if the therapy was bad, the whole therapist is a bad person. If I were a painter and I did a bad paint job, would anyone possibly die? No. But if I'm a therapist and I do a bad job of therapy, someone could very WELL die.
This is a serious responsibility and therapists have an as-yet unacknowledged responsibility to their patients. So maybe they are patients, not clients. Perhaps my ex-T was right all along, and I am a true Patient.
Although from what I understand of BPD, it's very treatable.
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