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Posted by emme on September 26, 2010, at 17:55:52
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
> Hi.
>
> You were banned for violating the Crazy Meds user agreement. Just as Dr. Bob has a user agreement, so does Crazy Meds. CMs' just happens to include personal attacks on their moderators (which includes using curse words instead of their names).
>
> Additionally, what you have posted here (my writings) technically falls under the legal heading "expectation of privacy", as you were warned not to do it when you signed up for Crazy Meds:
>
> "You agree to not copy text or images, outside of fair use guidelines, to other sites without the express permission of the author. So if it is a post on the forum, you'll have to ask whoever wrote it (see the section on former members) for permission."
>
> We keep IP numbers on file, as does every other fora on the internet.
>
> We do, however, appreciate the Google hits you are giving Crazy Meds by repeatedly writing the name of our site.
>
> Have a blessed day.
>
>
> Dymphna
>
> (who never thought you were an addict; I just thought your drug combo was likely harming you)
>
>
> > Sometimes I post on Crazy Meds, not often though. I posted a question about how the dexedring was making me tired and this I got this nasty post from a moderator.
> >
> > They think I am a drug junky or something like that!
> >
> > And I know you are going to think that I am stupid, but the post below actually made me cry. I think because it made me so angry.
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > Overwhelming tiredness is completely normal for someone who is not ADD and should not be being prescribed stimulants in the first place.
> >
> > In your other thread, you said you were being prescribed stimulants "for depression". Let's take a look at your meds:
> >
> > Dx'd with Bipolar depression & Anorexia (restricting subtype)
> >
> > Current meds:
> >
> > Parnate 100 mg
> > Nortriptyline 75 mg
> > Adderall XR 30 mg
> > Trileptal 600 mg
> > Klonopin .5 mg
> >
> > I'll go through them one by one.
> >
> > Parnate: an anti-depressant with a usual dose of 30 mg per day, but a max daily dosage of 60 mg (you're on 100 mg), that is absolutely contraindicated for use with -
> > --- Nortriptyline (or any dibenzazepine-related entities or tricyclic antidepressants)
> > --- Carbamazepine (that would be that Trileptal you're taking)
> > --- Sympathomimetics (that would be ANY of the amphetamines you have been taking)
> > --- A whole bunch of different foods that your doctor should have told you about
> >
> > Nortriptyline: a tricyclic anti-depressant which falls into the dibenzazepine class and the sympathomimetics class.
> >
> > Adderall XR: an amphetamine of the sympathomimetics class with a recommended dose of 25 mg per day of which you are taking 30 mg day.
> >
> > Trileptal: an anti-convulsant used as a mood-stabilizer, but contraindicated in use with Parnate.
> >
> > Klonopin: a benzodiazepine approved/utilized for seizure disorders, anxiety disorders, and the manic side of bipolar. It is not Rx'd for people sitting in the depressive end of bipolar as it simply makes them more depressed.
> >
> >
> > Ok, now that we have the fact that every single med you are on, save the Klonopin, is in complete contradiction with one another, we need to look at two things: who is trying to kill you, and why.
> >
> >
> > If you have one doctor who is prescribing these medications, they are simply incompetent, and should be reported to the authorities for gross negligence. If you have multiple doctors, they should all be reported for not looking at your meds list. You are showing them your meds list, right?
> >
> > If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things.
> >
> > Dymphna
> >
> > Moderator
> >Dymphna, I have never been to the CrazyMeds forum, but I felt quite distressed on Maxime's behalf when I saw your post to her. It may not have been your intent, but parts of it felt to me like a personal attack on her. Remember, e-mail and internet postings are imperfect media, and a lot is lost without face-to-face or even voice-to-voice contact. On this board, I think there is a heightened awareness of the limitations of electronic media.
I believe Bulldog has posted valuable information on the use of Parnate and TCAs and how skillful pdocs can do this responsibly. I think there's no substitute for the knowledge of a conscientious practitioner who is up to date. Sometimes with TRD, the psychiatrist needs to think outside of the box, and that is where their specialized training comes into use. Maxime's been been around here for a while. She is responsible with her meds, and I suspect her doctor does know what he's doing. Her questions are welcome on this forum.
Posted by Maxime on September 26, 2010, at 19:28:44
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
Seriously, bite me.
Posted by Maxime on September 26, 2010, at 19:52:31
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
> Hi.
>
>We do, however, appreciate the Google hits you are giving Crazy Meds by repeatedly writing the name of our site.
>
> Have a blessed day.
>
>
> DymphnaI am glad more people are coming to the Crazy Meds site now. I find that your board didn't move very quickly. Unlike here on Babble where people respond quickly and keep the information up to date. And the experts on this board don't just rattle off information from a PDR.
Hopefully you will slowly be able to build up a community of experts on your site. I have already created a new account at Crazy Meds and have posted in a few threads. I am looking forward to witnessing how the Crazy Meds site will grow. I wish you all the best!
See you on the boards!
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2010, at 20:50:33
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
> Hi.
>
> You were banned for violating the Crazy Meds user agreement. Just as Dr. Bob has a user agreement, so does Crazy Meds. CMs' just happens to include personal attacks on their moderators (which includes using curse words instead of their names).
>
> Additionally, what you have posted here (my writings) technically falls under the legal heading "expectation of privacy", as you were warned not to do it when you signed up for Crazy Meds:
>
> "You agree to not copy text or images, outside of fair use guidelines, to other sites without the express permission of the author. So if it is a post on the forum, you'll have to ask whoever wrote it (see the section on former members) for permission."
>
> We keep IP numbers on file, as does every other fora on the internet.
>
> We do, however, appreciate the Google hits you are giving Crazy Meds by repeatedly writing the name of our site.
>
> Have a blessed day.
>
>
> Dymphna
>
> (who never thought you were an addict; I just thought your drug combo was likely harming you)
>
>
> > Sometimes I post on Crazy Meds, not often though. I posted a question about how the dexedring was making me tired and this I got this nasty post from a moderator.
> >
> > They think I am a drug junky or something like that!
> >
> > And I know you are going to think that I am stupid, but the post below actually made me cry. I think because it made me so angry.
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > Overwhelming tiredness is completely normal for someone who is not ADD and should not be being prescribed stimulants in the first place.
> >
> > In your other thread, you said you were being prescribed stimulants "for depression". Let's take a look at your meds:
> >
> > Dx'd with Bipolar depression & Anorexia (restricting subtype)
> >
> > Current meds:
> >
> > Parnate 100 mg
> > Nortriptyline 75 mg
> > Adderall XR 30 mg
> > Trileptal 600 mg
> > Klonopin .5 mg
> >
> > I'll go through them one by one.
> >
> > Parnate: an anti-depressant with a usual dose of 30 mg per day, but a max daily dosage of 60 mg (you're on 100 mg), that is absolutely contraindicated for use with -
> > --- Nortriptyline (or any dibenzazepine-related entities or tricyclic antidepressants)
> > --- Carbamazepine (that would be that Trileptal you're taking)
> > --- Sympathomimetics (that would be ANY of the amphetamines you have been taking)
> > --- A whole bunch of different foods that your doctor should have told you about
> >
> > Nortriptyline: a tricyclic anti-depressant which falls into the dibenzazepine class and the sympathomimetics class.
> >
> > Adderall XR: an amphetamine of the sympathomimetics class with a recommended dose of 25 mg per day of which you are taking 30 mg day.
> >
> > Trileptal: an anti-convulsant used as a mood-stabilizer, but contraindicated in use with Parnate.
> >
> > Klonopin: a benzodiazepine approved/utilized for seizure disorders, anxiety disorders, and the manic side of bipolar. It is not Rx'd for people sitting in the depressive end of bipolar as it simply makes them more depressed.
> >
> >
> > Ok, now that we have the fact that every single med you are on, save the Klonopin, is in complete contradiction with one another, we need to look at two things: who is trying to kill you, and why.
> >
> >
> > If you have one doctor who is prescribing these medications, they are simply incompetent, and should be reported to the authorities for gross negligence. If you have multiple doctors, they should all be reported for not looking at your meds list. You are showing them your meds list, right?
> >
> > If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things.
> >
> > Dymphna
> >
> > Moderator
> >
Friends,
I come to praise Dymphna, not to (redacted by respondent) her.
The deaths of members live after they die, the lives that are saved can not always be known.
You see, Dymphna could have addressed the aspects of the post in question from a visionary perspective. She could see that the combining of the drugs in question could have the potential in the future, if others take those drugs in combination, for those to potentially die from that. She questions if it is the member that is responsible for how one could take the combination of drugs in question. Now I do not know what Dymphna had in mind there and I am not going to speculate any conclusion for such, for she also questions how a prescriber could prescribe the combination in question when the liturature that I am aquainted with has that deaths have resulted from some of the combinations listed.
Now there is the question of liability. If someone that is in charge of a site like these knows that a combination of some drugs could cause death, and does not point that out to the members of the forum, could the moderator be held liable if a member takes that combination and dies if the moderator does not post a warning? And moreso, what if the moderator fosterd to the members that it is OK to take the combination? And could not indifference to the post be the same as fostering what the post purports? And does the indifference have to be deliberate or not? Is there not a standard of care, such as negligence, that a moderstor of a site like these be held to? Would Dymphna be negligent if she did not address the post with the warnings of contraindications?
Then there is what is known as the reckless disregard for the truth. Now if the liturature states that a particular combination of drugs could cause death, could anyone then say that the liturature is false without posting proof of such? Is that another Dr. somewhere disregards what the liturature states a valid reason to ignore that the liturature has that people have died from taking such combinations of drugs? There is a standard and it is what it is. Combinations of drugs that can cause death are combinations of drugs that can cause death.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2010, at 21:25:57
In reply to Rcorrection-: Lou's request-bluzbro, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 20:43:55
Friends,
Lou
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Hank_Williams
songs;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wUpnHKmgRWw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hUuzrB_TGyk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xu7li89xvs&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OxBlt2EEKOM
Posted by huxley on September 27, 2010, at 2:54:43
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
Dymphna,
to put it bluntly you are an insensitive cow.
Its not just this instance, you do it on a regular basis.Would it kill you to be civil and decent to people who are obviously in a bad place and trying to get help?
Grow up and try being nice to people. You are just a nasty human being. End of story.
Posted by SLS on September 27, 2010, at 5:51:16
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
Hi Dymphna.
I don't know anything about you, and I have visited your website on just a handful of occasions. I was disturbed by your words to Maxime. Believe it or not, they would not be considered civil on Psycho-Babble, and the moderators would intervene on everyone's behalf. I don't take ownership of anyone's words but my own. Knowing how emotionally vulnerable and sensitive to criticism mental illnesses can leave one, I try to be communicate with others here with that in mind.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 27, 2010, at 5:52:11
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » Dymphna, posted by SLS on September 27, 2010, at 5:51:16
> Knowing how emotionally vulnerable and sensitive to criticism mental illnesses can leave one, I try to be communicate with others here with that in mind.
I don't always succeed.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2010, at 7:35:35
In reply to Lou's request-hnkwilms, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2010, at 21:25:57
> Friends,
> Lou
> http://wapedia.mobi/en/Hank_Williams
> songs;
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=wUpnHKmgRWw
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=hUuzrB_TGyk
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xu7li89xvs&feature=related
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OxBlt2EEKOM> Friends,
Lou
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xu71i89xus&feature=related
http://www.youtibe.com/watch?v=iO4BIFcIUHs&feature=related
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2010, at 8:06:35
In reply to Lou's request-hnkwilms-luvpskbluz, posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2010, at 7:35:35
> > Friends,
> > Lou
> > http://wapedia.mobi/en/Hank_Williams
> > songs;
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=wUpnHKmgRWw
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=hUuzrB_TGyk
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xu7li89xvs&feature=related
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=OxBlt2EEKOM
>
> > Friends,
> Lou
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xu71i89xus&feature=related
> http://www.youtibe.com/watch?v=iO4BIFcIUHs&feature=related
>
corrections:
Lou
http://hubpages.com/hub/Hank_Williams_Love_Sick_Blues
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk6j8_patsy-cline-lovesick-blues_music
>
Posted by olivia12 on September 27, 2010, at 14:58:24
In reply to Lou's request-hnkwilms-luvpskbluz, posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2010, at 7:35:35
Lou, again, WTF? I have tried to be patient--I have tried to understand where you might be coming from. But, seriously, what is your intent man? Please throw me a bone?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2010, at 20:59:57
In reply to Re: Lou's request-hnkwilms-luvpskbluz, posted by olivia12 on September 27, 2010, at 14:58:24
Friends,
Lou
http://www.nndb.com/people/095/000023026
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=10pvTuXmtHs
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2010, at 21:03:21
In reply to Lou's request-Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2010, at 20:59:57
> Friends,
> Lou
> http://www.nndb.com/people/095/000023026
> http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=10pvTuXmtHs
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 28, 2010, at 5:10:35
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » Dymphna, posted by huxley on September 27, 2010, at 2:54:43
> Seriously, bite me.
>
> Maxime> to put it bluntly you are an insensitive cow.
>
> huxleyPlease be sensitive to the feelings of others.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people, and I'm sorry if this hurts you. I don't want anything bad to happen to you. In a crisis, please also get help in person. You may also wish to check out a listing compiled by a poster of helpful web pages on coping with crisis at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psycho-babble-tips/links/Coping_with_crisis_001012507973
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. Scott, thanks for trying to help this time.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by 49er on September 28, 2010, at 17:53:06
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » Dymphna, posted by SLS on September 27, 2010, at 5:51:16
> Hi Dymphna.
>
> I don't know anything about you, and I have visited your website on just a handful of occasions. I was disturbed by your words to Maxime. Believe it or not, they would not be considered civil on Psycho-Babble, and the moderators would intervene on everyone's behalf. I don't take ownership of anyone's words but my own. Knowing how emotionally vulnerable and sensitive to criticism mental illnesses can leave one, I try to be communicate with others here with that in mind.
>
>
> - ScottI totally agree Scott.
This part really bothered me:
"If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things""
I won't comment further as I don't want to be banned but let's just say it didn't feel very civil to me.
49er
Posted by SLS on September 28, 2010, at 18:26:03
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by 49er on September 28, 2010, at 17:53:06
Hi 49er.
How are you doing, by the way? Well, I hope.
- Scott
Posted by 49er on September 29, 2010, at 5:04:40
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » 49er, posted by SLS on September 28, 2010, at 18:26:03
> Hi 49er.
>
> How are you doing, by the way? Well, I hope.
>
>
> - ScottHi Scott,
Thanks for asking.
Pretty well.
Like alot of people, dealing with unemployment although I am currently working a temp job.
How are you doing?
49er
Posted by SLS on September 29, 2010, at 5:29:50
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by 49er on September 29, 2010, at 5:04:40
> > Hi 49er.
> >
> > How are you doing, by the way? Well, I hope.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thanks for asking.
>
> Pretty well.
>
> Like alot of people, dealing with unemployment although I am currently working a temp job.
>
> How are you doing?
Still treading water. I've been worse, though. Right now, it appears that I am responding somewhat to Nardil. I am definitely better on it than off it. I'll try to remain patient. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 29, 2010, at 20:10:11
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by 49er on September 28, 2010, at 17:53:06
> > Hi Dymphna.
> >
> > I don't know anything about you, and I have visited your website on just a handful of occasions. I was disturbed by your words to Maxime. Believe it or not, they would not be considered civil on Psycho-Babble, and the moderators would intervene on everyone's behalf. I don't take ownership of anyone's words but my own. Knowing how emotionally vulnerable and sensitive to criticism mental illnesses can leave one, I try to be communicate with others here with that in mind.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> I totally agree Scott.
>
> This part really bothered me:
>
> "If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things""
>
> I won't comment further as I don't want to be banned but let's just say it didn't feel very civil to me.
>
> 49erFriends,
I would like for you to nootice the skill that Dymphna used in the post in question. She saw that a combination of drugs could cause death as has been reported in the liturature. Now she may know that combinations of drugs are what is belived by many to have killed many famous people. People like Elvis and John Balushi, and Hank Williams and many others. I think that she gives a higher priority to having members be warned of the potential of death than to civility. And anyway, she is the moderator in charge and could be thinking of protectinng the members health and safety.
You see, when chemicals are taken, there could be a life or death situation.
Now reading dymphna's post in queston, she uses logic to cover what could be all the bases. First she addresses as to if the drugs were prescribed by one Dr, and then by more than one Dr. And then she writes,[... [IF} it is you that is responsible...]. Now she is covering if the drugs are taken outside of being prescribed although the grammatical structure could b interpretted differently, but I lean to that she was covering the possibility of a Dr not being involved in the obtaining of the drugs, but she asks if it is, and I do not see her stating that the drugs were obtained without a Dr prescribing because she opens with the statement with {IF}.
One way tha could happen is if the person had taken the drugs previously as being prescribed in the past and some were shelved and then recalled later. Another way is if the drugs can be obtaned by mail, legally. If there is self-medicating, then I think that Dymphna was covering that possibility.
I think that she coverd the possibilities and the members there could then have a logical explanation for what she posted to make their own determination as to take such a combination of drugs.
She then states something that I think means that the site that she moderates does not want to foster the taking of those combinations. Now that is something as to their TOS as she explained here in this thread. The TOS can be a legal aspect of these internet forums. If someone died taking the combination of drugs in question, and the TOS of that forum was against such, and Dymphna did not sanction the post, then could it be possible that she could be held liable for the member's death in some jurisdictions because of indifference and/or negligence?
Let's look at this in another situation. Suppose one member tells another member to take a particular drug. Then the member has a child born with horrific birth defects as a resuklt of taking the drug that she was told by the other member to take. Now the moderator, let's say, did not intercede with a warning about the possibility of birth defects. Could the moderator be held liable if she/he knew or {should have known}? You see, Dymphna may think that it is her duty to know because she is the moderator. It is my conviction that she knows a great deal about the chemical structure of drugs that act on the central nervous system and was alarmed at reading the drug combination in question.
Lou
Posted by olivia12 on September 29, 2010, at 20:22:45
In reply to Lou's views-in defense of Dymphna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 29, 2010, at 20:10:11
While I'm not quite sure what your post is getting at, I am very impressed that you said something using concrete words Lou. Maybe I am a bit dull-minded, but I could never really understand the A,B,C,D format of questions or the video references you seem to be into. My sincere thanks Lou:)
Posted by 49er on September 29, 2010, at 20:40:28
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » 49er, posted by SLS on September 29, 2010, at 5:29:50
> Still treading water. I've been worse, though. Right now, it appears that I am responding somewhat to Nardil. I am definitely better on it than off it. I'll try to remain patient. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
>
>
> - ScottHi Scott,
I will keep my fingers crossed that your response to Nardil continues in a positive direction.
49er
Posted by chujoe on September 30, 2010, at 20:28:55
In reply to Lou's views-in defense of Dymphna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 29, 2010, at 20:10:11
>>People like Elvis and John Balushi, and Hank Williams...<<
Didn't these folks die of cocaine, barbiturates, and especially alcohol? Are we talking about psych meds here? None of the currently popular anti-depressants were even available when Elvis died. I haven't read the whole string of posts in this thread, so maybe I'm off-base here, but this kind of mixing apples and oranges strikes me as unhelpful.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 3, 2010, at 9:08:30
In reply to Lou's views-in defense of Dymphna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 29, 2010, at 20:10:11
> > > Hi Dymphna.
> > >
> > > I don't know anything about you, and I have visited your website on just a handful of occasions. I was disturbed by your words to Maxime. Believe it or not, they would not be considered civil on Psycho-Babble, and the moderators would intervene on everyone's behalf. I don't take ownership of anyone's words but my own. Knowing how emotionally vulnerable and sensitive to criticism mental illnesses can leave one, I try to be communicate with others here with that in mind.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > I totally agree Scott.
> >
> > This part really bothered me:
> >
> > "If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things""
> >
> > I won't comment further as I don't want to be banned but let's just say it didn't feel very civil to me.
> >
> > 49er
>
> Friends,
> I would like for you to nootice the skill that Dymphna used in the post in question. She saw that a combination of drugs could cause death as has been reported in the liturature. Now she may know that combinations of drugs are what is belived by many to have killed many famous people. People like Elvis and John Balushi, and Hank Williams and many others. I think that she gives a higher priority to having members be warned of the potential of death than to civility. And anyway, she is the moderator in charge and could be thinking of protectinng the members health and safety.
> You see, when chemicals are taken, there could be a life or death situation.
> Now reading dymphna's post in queston, she uses logic to cover what could be all the bases. First she addresses as to if the drugs were prescribed by one Dr, and then by more than one Dr. And then she writes,[... [IF} it is you that is responsible...]. Now she is covering if the drugs are taken outside of being prescribed although the grammatical structure could b interpretted differently, but I lean to that she was covering the possibility of a Dr not being involved in the obtaining of the drugs, but she asks if it is, and I do not see her stating that the drugs were obtained without a Dr prescribing because she opens with the statement with {IF}.
> One way tha could happen is if the person had taken the drugs previously as being prescribed in the past and some were shelved and then recalled later. Another way is if the drugs can be obtaned by mail, legally. If there is self-medicating, then I think that Dymphna was covering that possibility.
> I think that she coverd the possibilities and the members there could then have a logical explanation for what she posted to make their own determination as to take such a combination of drugs.
> She then states something that I think means that the site that she moderates does not want to foster the taking of those combinations. Now that is something as to their TOS as she explained here in this thread. The TOS can be a legal aspect of these internet forums. If someone died taking the combination of drugs in question, and the TOS of that forum was against such, and Dymphna did not sanction the post, then could it be possible that she could be held liable for the member's death in some jurisdictions because of indifference and/or negligence?
> Let's look at this in another situation. Suppose one member tells another member to take a particular drug. Then the member has a child born with horrific birth defects as a resuklt of taking the drug that she was told by the other member to take. Now the moderator, let's say, did not intercede with a warning about the possibility of birth defects. Could the moderator be held liable if she/he knew or {should have known}? You see, Dymphna may think that it is her duty to know because she is the moderator. It is my conviction that she knows a great deal about the chemical structure of drugs that act on the central nervous system and was alarmed at reading the drug combination in question.
> LouFriends,
Now I think that Dymphna is a concientious moderator. You see, she may have legal advice concerning what is known as criminal negligence and could have sanctioned the post in question with that in mind along with the other aspects of her moderation of that forum.
Now depending on the jurisdiction, Dymphna could have been aware of the concepts of criminal negligence and might foresee the consequences as a result of letting the post go or letting it stand without comment to point out that the combination of he drug(s) are contrindicated. The consequences listed in the liturature include death.
The concept of criminal negligence in many jurisdictions involves that someone could have the knlowlege to know that, in the case at hand, the combination of drug(s) could cause death and that the death(s) could be {avoidable} if the combinations that are contrindicated are pointed out, which she did. Now then a reasonable person standard looks at the moderator's knowlege of if the moderator could pose another to the risk of injury or death by what is known as {nonfeasance} or in the language of these forum, letting the post stand or letting it go.
But there is much more to this...
Lou
Posted by olivia12 on October 3, 2010, at 18:04:22
In reply to Lou's views-in defense of Dymphna-krihmnheg, posted by Lou Pilder on October 3, 2010, at 9:08:30
Huh?
Posted by Maxime on October 5, 2010, at 18:57:30
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Maxime » huxley, posted by Dr. Bob on September 28, 2010, at 5:10:35
Wow, banned from one site and then blocked for a week on another. That is a record I am sure! :)
I spent this last week posting on Crazy Meds. It's a good board but threads don't advance very quickly. I think because there are so many categories (which can useful to find info on a certain med quickly).But I am glad to back at PB.
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