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Posted by Storm Rider on January 29, 2006, at 21:11:55
In reply to Re: topamax, posted by fierycelt on January 29, 2006, at 18:31:11
Fiery Celt, I am supposed to be doing research into eating disorders for an upcoming programme, but instead I find myself constantly checking email to see if you have posted anything to the board...
I so liked the riding out the storm phrase that I have changed my i d... headachequeen no more...
this is much more suitable. In fact, when my darling dog has her next litter, I think I shall call the keeper puppy Storm Rider -- she will be a blazing red of course <g>Topomax of course does have a definite effect on appetite, suppressing appetite and helping with weight loss for those who have problems with weight.
As a teenager and into my early twenties I dealt with anorexic (in the dark ages, before it even had a name!!!) and now it seems to be coming back to haunt me.
The meds prescribed before topomax encouraged weight gain. When I was unhappy or tense I ate - wasn't hungry but I ate anyway and was often surprised to find myself with food in my hand (or mouth)--
the hours I kept were not really helpful either; working eighteen hours at a stretch with no time for meal breaks meant grabbing a chocolate bar or bag of chips and fast food when there was half an hour between interviews... it was not a good way to live ...
As the epilepsy intensified its assault on my system someone had the bright idea to prescribe tranquilisers to help me cope... they helped me gain weight...
and on it went...
Then topomax... and no tranquilisers... in the first couple of weeks I noticed the weight dropping...
now I have almost no appetite and hardly any interest in food...
It has become an issue -- I cannot stop taking topomax because it is the only thing that actually controls the epilepsy...
but I cannot lose any more weight...
catch-22...
I have now been on topomax for three years and in the last three months I have lost 31 pounds...
three months ago I was wearing a size six and was quite happy...
I am 5'6 1/2 and it worked for me...
I can't afford to keep buying clothes a size smaller every two or three weeks..
My three-year-old grand-daughter eats larger meals than I do.
At this point I have to eat four small meals a day to survive and I focus on fruit and peanut butter and easily digested protein --Not sure if it is all topomax or if it is the anorexia or if there is some other problem...
heaven knows they have done enough tests to find out...There are children in our area schools with eating disorders -- five- and six-year-olds, hence the topic for the upcoming show. I am going to feel odd doing the show... a psychologist and a nutritionist and another specialist coming to talk about the problem with a walking skeleton...
Anyone else finding that topomax doesn't quit????
kat who still wants that certificate of importance.
Posted by fierycelt on January 30, 2006, at 3:36:34
In reply to topamax - name change, posted by Storm Rider on January 29, 2006, at 21:11:55
aaahhh "storm rider" fabulous new name...yes that is what it is like when you are BP...maybe that should be my new "job" the creator of monikers...lol!!
hhhmmm my job...well when you are crazy, working in a strip club is easy because there is always someone crazier than you...easier to "fly under the radar"...
most people think it is a disgusting job and I am a disgusting person because I do it for a living...but I am not. Since I am a very honest person about what I do for a living... most people don't take me seriously or treat me like I am intelligent. Mind you, I don't go running around telling anyone & everyone what I do, but when asked I will answer honestly.
my daily accomplishments...I don't drink, do drugs and have never been arrested. My doctor tells me I have done better than most long-term undiagnosed BP's. I assume because of those afore mentioned "things".
I have an IQ of 126 but never finished college. Of course I also have ADDHD...but that never really bothered me about myself...
I would love to lose 50 lbs...the faster the better. The sooner I lose weight the sooner I can start making money again and paying my bills. Hopeful Topamax will be helpful with that as well "quieting the storm" in my head. Then, perhaps I can focus on a successful life.Programme...are you British? My father is British and he spells it that way...just a random ADD question.
5 & 6 year old with anorexia?! OMG...how sad, the poor little things...the unimaginable stress, both physically & mentally, they must be going through at such a young age. What
society has done to these children, is reprehensible...good luck with your task.Hey, thanxs for making me feel popular
by looking to see if I had posted *smile*ok...i am trying to be patient I don't feel so good today...maybe tomorrow I will...I felt very sick when I woke up today. I still made myself go to the gym and work out. I think it may have been the peanut butter & marmalade sandwich I had for breakfast...not sure. I have started taking Omega--3 to help with the side-effects. I am told this helps. Anyone else tried this? And does it work or is it nonesense?
I admit I am starting to lose interest in food...I realize this is not the best way to lose weight. I knew that this may happen, but so soon!? Careful what you wish for....!!!
Posted by gardenergirl on January 30, 2006, at 7:43:15
In reply to Re: topamax - name change, posted by fierycelt on January 30, 2006, at 3:36:34
Hi everyone,
Just thought I'd toss in my experience. My doc added Topomax to my Nardil in hopes it would help me lose the weight I'd put on from Nardil. I don't know if the Nardil countered the appetite suppressant or if I never got to the right dose. I had to stop Topomax because it made me more depressed.I'm probably one of those oddball cases, though.
gg
Posted by Storm Rider on January 30, 2006, at 22:08:39
In reply to Re: topamax - name change, posted by fierycelt on January 30, 2006, at 3:36:34
> most people think it is a disgusting job and I am a disgusting person because I do it for a living...but I am not.What you do for a living is your business and no one else's and no one needs to criticize you. For that matter no one really needs to ask you what you do for a living unless it is of vital concern for some reason or other. I can think of few vital reasons for anyone to need to know.
I can also think of worse ways to make a living by the way.> my daily accomplishments...I don't drink, do drugs and have never been arrested.
And you question your success????
Oh, my dear... rewind the tape, please. I happen to be one of the anomalies of my generation, came through the seventies and never experimented with drugs -- I can get high (and low) on people and music. Actually I can deliberately set my mood up or down with music, a dangerous thing, that. I have never seen a need or interest in playing with drugs. Come to think of it, I have enough problems with prescription meds that I cannot understand why anyone wants to use them for 'recreation'...People tend to disbelieve one when they hear the 'never used' statement, but it has never been an interest.
However in a few of my incarnations I have had to work at picking up the pieces or trying to pick up the pieces of people who have used drugs or people who have abused alcohol, sometimes both.
You don't use either --
that makes you a success in my book. So the Success Certificate person should be there handing you a Certificate of Success with a Gold Seal on it.
I for one think you have done really well to make it this far...
> I have an IQ of 126 but never finished college. Of course I also have ADDHD...but that never really bothered me about myself...As for IQ and finishing university... I belong to MENSA and have yet to complete a degree...
I have enough credits to have a degree and three-quarters of another if I could manage to get them altogether into a package that matched, but I can't decide what I want to do when I grow up...
I can't even decide if I want to grow up...There is intelligence and there is the paper that says one has completed university... I have my undergraduate work finished.. but have to finish the rest some day... just to prove a point I guess...
but common sense and being able to live a life that is sound and caring and worthwhile is important too...As for living with ADD -- doesn't that add a fun challenge to life??? LOL I can't even sit down and watch television without having something to occupy myself... I have to read a book or work on my laptop... can't sit still that long..
> I would love to lose 50 lbs...the faster the better. The sooner I lose weight the sooner I can start making money again and paying my bills. Hopeful Topamax will be helpful with that as well "quieting the storm" in my head. Then, perhaps I can focus on a successful life.
When I started taking Topomax it was to control the seizures and to stop the migraine headaches...
but the neurologist told me it had a side effect:
it caused weight loss... well, I thought about it for five seconds... and told him to bring it on...
I had gained so much weight and couldn't get rid of it and keep it gone...
shortly after I started it, I noticed that I had lost three pounds...
and I no longer wanted junk food, chocolate bars or chips ... soft drinks...
and I still don't find chocolate bars appealing when I used to always have them stashed in my desk and eat two or three a day ...I was able to eat large meals and desserts...
and always had a sandwich or some snack in the evening...
There was no deliberate attempt to diet, but the appetite suppressant part of the topomax caused me to lose the obsession with food especially junk foods and the empty calorie foods...
It also led to a craving for protein foods, chicken and salmon (the omega-3 you mentioned)and eggs.
As I am allergic to grains, something I learned about a year ago, I no longer eat breads and cereals or corn, and that really helped.
Another thing I learned that helps with the side effects, along with the omega 3s, and helps with the appetite suppression, is to eat cashews or almonds, an ounce or two, before meals...Once the weight starts coming off, a little at a time, you begin to feel positive about yourself and your potential to lose the weight...
it is amazing.
I hadn't realised how negative I had come to feel about it and about me until the weight began to fall away...
>
> Programme...are you British? My father is British and he spells it that way...just a random ADD question.Oh, I know the random ADD stuff <G>
I am Canadian, with an obsession about Canadian spelling <s> and battling to maintain spelling and grammar in an age that seems to think the computer can do both so why bother...
> 5 & 6 year old with anorexia?! OMG...how sad, the poor little things...the unimaginable stress, both physically & mentally, they must be going through at such a young age. What
> society has done to these children, is reprehensible...good luck with your task.We have both sides of the coin.. children and adults starving themselves to fit in or for other psychological reasons and overeating for the same reasons...
it is a fascinating study... and I see myself at times in the info that comes up...
the been there done that thing...
and then we have society dictating that we must fit into this mould if we want to belong...
look at all the ads and products that preach the perfect body perfect image ...even in the classroom they receive this message...
and I am off on another windmill tilting campaign...
my lance is battered and splintered and Rosinante is getting old and scarred, but we keep finding windmills to attack...Omega 3 is a good thing to take to help you with the side effects...
remember to stay on a low dose for the first two weeks or so, then increase by 25 mg... for two weeks and follow the two week increments...
the weight loss should come with the change in mood that topomax effects for the bipolar ...
it is a matter of sticking with it, taking it slowly and giving it time...patience is a virtue they tell me...
I was born without any patience whatsoever...
another of the redhead things...
I want it all and I want it yesterday, but with topomax, it is vital to be patient...you will get there, I promise...
kat
Posted by fierycelt on January 31, 2006, at 1:51:32
In reply to Re: topamax - name change » fierycelt, posted by Storm Rider on January 30, 2006, at 22:08:39
Kat...you are a gem!!! Thank you Thank you for your seemingly endless support.
Canadian...of course...my next guess
Redheads are never virtuous...we are very tempestuous and impatient. I realized that about myself along time ago!!!
I am the queen of impatience...now that I know why my life has been the way it has...and have gotten medication to "smooth out the rough edges"...I am impatient for it to work and to just get on with my life or even to start my life. Whatever the case may be....I need to find another job, to suppliment my income...just not sure what I can do. Someone needs to start a website called....www.Bi-Polarjobs.com...*sigh* in Utopia
I once took a career test...hhhmmm an actress was my perfect career. Bi-Polar's seem to have a flair for the dramatic!! At 39 I can't start that career now.Did many people in your life tell you to "grow up"? I heard/hear that alot...I pretty sure I don't want to grow up. To me being grown up seems to take all the joy out of life, but maybe I'm wrong. You seem rather grown up and joyous all in the same breathe, how did you achieve that? And how did you get a good job without a college degree? Maybe things are different in Canada, in the States you are no-one without a college degree.
I don't know if it was my ADDHD or my BP that prevented me from finishing college. Maybe it was simply not having any real idea what I wanted to do...I think I still don't know. I like too many things. I am not really sure what I am good at...getting fired?!
I actually like having ADDHD sometimes, like you said, it makes life very interesting. TV watching in part of multitasking for me...I am usually on my laptop while "watching". However, it can make settling down to do important things really difficult and at times, nearly impossible. School, in the past, fell into the important things category...I can get frustrated easily...once again I don't know if it is the ADDHD or the BP. I always seem to end up blaming myself severely for something going wrong in my life. I then will become very very depressed. When I only make $20 at work... it is because I am fat & ugly & nobody likes me. And if I wasn't stupid with ADDHD I wouldn't be in this position(being a stripper) because I would have finished college and gotten a good job...but if I had finished college, would I have a good job since I get restless & bored and can never seem to keep jobs...? I have gotten fired from more jobs than I can count...I sometimes can be very difficult to get along with. Look out if I am in a "mood", I hate that part of me. It sometimes just happens, no mood...I am suddenly "there"...I am one of those people who likes to be left alone to do their work and not bothered. That ensures that nobody has to experiences my sharp tongue and my moodiness.
It is strange though, most of the time I am very quiet as a stripper. When I do inter-act with the customers I am very nice, exceptionally. Maybe because I know I am fat, so I have to be extra nice...grateful. Most customers don't care that I have a brain so, since I don't use it, I get bored easily. Small talk or idle chit chat makes me restless. Really not an exciting job...brainless.
I usually end up taking care of the screwed up girls at work...I guess to take my internal focus off of my myself and my problems...I'm not messed up on drugs so, in some ways, it makes me feel better about myself. And of course I avoid addressing my problems for a little while longer. Like a "stay of execution" Terrible...
Maybe I'm not so happy about knowing I'm BP...ignorance is bliss...it means I'm really "crazy" or "broken" and it's never going to go away...I am going to be "sick" for the rest of my life and it is just going to "lay in wait" with the help of Topamax. What happens if Topamax never really works for me...what if it doesn't "quiet the storm" and I don't lose weight? I have never considered this possibility!?
I think I am getting ahead of myself...
Posted by Storm Rider on January 31, 2006, at 15:53:15
In reply to Re: topamax - name change, posted by fierycelt on January 31, 2006, at 1:51:32
Oh, my Fiery Celt, tempestuous redheads are vital in this world... didn't you know? they have a purpose. I learned that in high school.
According to my high school chemistry teacher, redheads were created to add interest and excitement to the dull lives other people lead...
of course he also used to say he hoped I would become a teacher so my students could be his revenge...As for acting, why can you not start acting at 39?
I have changed career paths so often that I have lost track and 39 is not too late... I was 32 when I decided I wanted to become a broadcaster... had left teaching for the antique business and was bored with that, so I walked into the local radio station and told the manager and news director they should hire me. They did. Not sure who was the more surprised actually.
Within a year I was Director of talk and information for the three stations. A couple of years later I was working for a national tv network part time as well and producing television shows for a cable network on the side and the radio network for which I worked was now a 16 station network...
Somewhere in there I found time to teach emotionally disturbed high school students in my spare time... that was a riot!!! ... and to help a friend in her flower shop... I can't stand having nothing to do...
Then the epilepsy began its drive for control of my life, so it was time to take it easy for a while.
During this relaxed era someone told me that there was a need for a particular sort of magazine and I should do something about it, so for seven years I published and edited a magazine. Sold it a year- and-a-half ago... it had become an eighteen-hour-a-day proposition, sometimes twenty and it was too hard on me. I have not looked at an issue since I sold it, don't want to know what it is like now that it is not my baby...
but it was a wild ride while it lasted and I miss it...
now I am back to television and I like being back at work although I prefer radio...
no one sees you and you can wear jeans and it doesn't matter if its a bad hair day or you bothered with make-up, and who cares how much you weigh...
ADD has a great influence on me... I cannot sit still and let life go past... I have to be busy stirring all the pots at once and throwing in other bits to change the recipe... and yes someone is always wondering when I am going to grow up...
the answer is never...
I am 'just only four years old' and plan to stay that way. Peter Pan and I are twins.
When one turns five one has to go to kindergarten. It is the law. In kindergarten the power struggle begins and personality changes dramatically. I don't want it to happen to me. I am never going to be paste monitor.
I want to live each minute until the last bit of emotion is wrung from it and then twist it a little harder before I move on to the next one; I do not want to try and exert dominance and power over the next guy.
As for college, well I did finish a basic liberal arts degree, but that is as much use as framed page from the Sunday comics...
I have acquaintances with doctorates and masters' who are working in fast food joints and acquaintances with BAs who areen't working at all or who have jobs that make yours look truly respectable...
You have an attitude toward yourself that is negative... but an attitude toward others that is compassionate...
how about turning some of that compassion towards yourself?
What would you say to one of the girls with whom you work if she suddenly described herself as fat and ugly?
Tell me how you would answer her...The topomax can help you lose the urge to overeat...
but it cannot take away the negative feelings you have about you and those feelings can increase the urge to eat...so, start looking at you...
right now...
look at you and find two good things about you...
we know you have red hair and
we know you are compassionate...
so tell us two others...Get some almonds or cashews and eat an ounce or two of them before each meal...
stick to the slow titration of the topomax...
drink plenty of water...
and learn to like yourself....You have to be okay... you're a friend of mine and I meet the neatest people...
kat
Posted by fierycelt on February 1, 2006, at 0:47:03
In reply to Topomax and redheads... » fierycelt, posted by Storm Rider on January 31, 2006, at 15:53:15
Kat...I am glad you consider me a friend. I am glad to have "met" you. I certainly consider you a friend. Thank you. I feel grateful for stumbling upon this site. It was fate and of course, Dr. Bob...
I have never been an over-eater. I have never been a junk food eater and I don't even like soda! I grew up eating good nutritious food and was encouraged to exercise to burn off that extra ADDHD energy. Also probably to save my mother's sanity from her "busy" child. My mother was ahead of her time, she knew "enriched food" was food that had the nutrients sucked out and then put back in with preservatives.
The Lexapro wrecked my metabolism and caused me to develop Metabolic Syndrome. I went from 130lbs to 185lbs. Lexapro is poison. I wasn't happy, I wasn't unhappy. I was just there. I was sluggish and at times more depressed than ever. My GP put me on it because he thought I had PMS. It's not his fault he was just trying to help.You have Epilepsy not BP...you don't have strange moody unexplainable behaviour. It makes it hard to get along with people and situations. It is like you are a strange prickly square peg trying to fit into a smooth round hole...very weird. Thus it has been easier for you to get jobs without a complete degree. Although nearly having a degree helps. These days, employers won't even talk to you , let alone take an application without a BA under your belt.
I qualify for the "would you like fries with that?" kind of jobs...I learn the job the first few days, the first few weeks I'm bored and after the first month I am frustrated, with a bad attitude...
I need to start feeling better, so I can convice someone to give me a chance, without a BA, and give me a good job, with good pay and good benefits. I am not making any money to cover my bills. My meds cost $250. and that is after what the insurance pays, lousy insurance. I have to do the clean up from the "hurricane" my life has become...oh yeah, my life has gone past riding out a storm. My debt is unbelieveably scary.So, you see why I am in such a hurry to have my meds work...at a pace of 25mg every 2 weeks, it will take me 8 weeks to reach therapeutic levels. Impatient Redhead...hhhmmm
I realize Topamax is not a guaranteed "fix"...just a helper...boy do I need help!!! I just want to be normal...
I think the Topamax is starting to make me feel sick after I eat...
I am very depressed today...oh...I'm a good phtographer, I think
Suzy
Posted by storm rider on February 1, 2006, at 15:01:51
In reply to Re: Topomax and redheads..., posted by fierycelt on February 1, 2006, at 0:47:03
> Kat...I am glad you consider me a friend. I am glad to have "met" you. I certainly consider you a friend. Thank you. I feel grateful for stumbling upon this site. It was fate and of course, Dr. Bob...
>
> I have never been an over-eater. I have never been a junk food eater and I don't even like soda! I grew up eating good nutritious food and was encouraged to exercise to burn off that extra ADDHD energy. Also probably to save my mother's sanity from her "busy" child. My mother was ahead of her time, she knew "enriched food" was food that had the nutrients sucked out and then put back in with preservatives.
> The Lexapro wrecked my metabolism and caused me to develop Metabolic Syndrome. I went from 130lbs to 185lbs. Lexapro is poison. I wasn't happy, I wasn't unhappy. I was just there. I was sluggish and at times more depressed than ever. My GP put me on it because he thought I had PMS. It's not his fault he was just trying to help.
>
> You have Epilepsy not BP...you don't have strange moody unexplainable behaviour. It makes it hard to get along with people and situations. It is like you are a strange prickly square peg trying to fit into a smooth round hole...very weird. Thus it has been easier for you to get jobs without a complete degree. Although nearly having a degree helps. These days, employers won't even talk to you , let alone take an application without a BA under your belt.
> I qualify for the "would you like fries with that?" kind of jobs...I learn the job the first few days, the first few weeks I'm bored and after the first month I am frustrated, with a bad attitude...
> I need to start feeling better, so I can convice someone to give me a chance, without a BA, and give me a good job, with good pay and good benefits. I am not making any money to cover my bills. My meds cost $250. and that is after what the insurance pays, lousy insurance. I have to do the clean up from the "hurricane" my life has become...oh yeah, my life has gone past riding out a storm. My debt is unbelieveably scary.
>
> So, you see why I am in such a hurry to have my meds work...at a pace of 25mg every 2 weeks, it will take me 8 weeks to reach therapeutic levels. Impatient Redhead...hhhmmm
>
> I realize Topamax is not a guaranteed "fix"...just a helper...boy do I need help!!! I just want to be normal...
> I think the Topamax is starting to make me feel sick after I eat...
> I am very depressed today...
>
> oh...I'm a good phtographer, I think
>
> SuzyAre you taking the topomax in the evenings? or in the mornings? If you start it in the mornings it causes a really nauseating experience...
been there and done that... yes, I know it is one of the passe expressions, but I don't really care... it covers the situation...
I almost stopped using the stuff, but then I decided to pick up the sheets the neurologist gave me with the prescription and lo and behold it said to start in the evening otherwise I would probably feel nauseous or worse...
duh... the paper was something I was supposed to read?????
who'd a thunk it...It may surprise you to know that people are highly uncomfortable around epileptics...
it is something that no one wants to talk about...
my mother refused to mention it...
she didn't even tell me I had been diagnosed until a year ago!!! when I had to be hospitalised an episode that nearly killed me...
when I asked why she hadn't told me she informed me that illness was a sign of weakness and I had to learn to get on with my life; besides I didn't need to know...
When I was about 22 my doctor thought I might be epileptic but suggested we not mention it because of the stigma attached... it could cost me my teaching job and heaven knew what else might happen, after all, I didn't want my husband to leave me and take the children did I?
My son was about seven weeks old and my daughter about two-and-a-half...
and the doctor was convinced that if my husband were to find out I might be epileptic he would leave and sue for custody... an epileptic being not fit to care for children...
Things have changed somewhat but there are still people - employers among them - who expect an epileptic to have knock down raging frothing 'fits'...
Just last week as we were getting ready to start my show one of the cameramen made a crack about the smell of burnt toast when someone hit a particular switch, then apologised to me, because he thought I might think I was about to 'have a fit' when I smelled it...
He was actually trying to be sensitive, but he missed the mark by a country mile...
BiPolar-ism and other forms of depression are badly misunderstood by people who do not suffer the effects, and I appreciate the problems only too well...
but to some extent we wear the same moccasins...as for the learning then getting bored, that is a shared problem too...
I need to be challenged all the time in my work -- can't count the number of career changes because of boredom...
I have been through so many incarnations that I have met myself coming in the door as I was going out...
You enjoy photography and are good at it?
Put it to work...
I love working with my cameras... so I shoot weddings and portraits and that supports my other bad habits... my nature photography which ends up as limited edition prints and stationery and post cards as well as my dog show and competition expenses...
I wanted to find other ways to deal with this epilepsy and the other health problems... the redhead stuff like immune problems and so on, so I studied reiki and IET and now am a reiki practitioner...
it will never make me rich, but it pays for the other things I need so it all the balls juggling in the air keep each other moving around...and I don't get as bored as I used to...
and when I am bored I am miserable and become depressed... Seasonal affective disorder is a problem for me... about this time of year I can become so desperately depressed because of the lack of light that I need to be wildly occupied or I am unable to function...
and I refuse ever to use anti-depressants again...
so I keep juggling more balls in the air...as long as I can keep them spinning up there I have no time to realise the days are short and the nights long and the sky is grey...
Find the things at which you are really good, then promote them... and promote you...
as for the weight, it will start of slowly I found then it will come off more noticeably...
just be sure to eat sensibly and it sounds as if you have that in hand...
and I am glad you are my friend...
I enjoy tempestuous interesting people...
such fun to be around...and there are some truly caring and neat people here...
Stresser and Rainy come to mind and others I have just met in passing, but they will help you too,
trust me...
it is a strong place to be...
kat
Posted by redscarlet on February 2, 2006, at 6:40:30
In reply to Re: Topomax and redheads..., posted by fierycelt on February 1, 2006, at 0:47:03
HI I'm on Zonegran right now for bipolar and it is not working as well as Topamax has for me in the past.
I go to my pdoc on the 9th and plan on asking for a change but I need to know how to take the Topamax.
In the past (over two years ago) he gave me 100mg pills and within a month or less I was on 200mg of the stuff every night and I lost a LOT of hair and I think I didn't take the med the right way to start with (note: I did take vitamins). It DID work on my bipolar very well but I would like to avoid the hair loss this time if I can (note: L, at what mg's does your daughter loss her hair ?) So if Someone here can give me a dosing schedule on how to go from 0 to 200mgs that would be GREAT... THANK YOU so much.... :-) And Thanks everyone for sharing your story about Topamax... :-)
Posted by SLS on February 2, 2006, at 7:52:13
In reply to Re: topamax, posted by fierycelt on January 29, 2006, at 18:31:11
Has anyone with chronic depression (bipolar or otherwise) been treated successfully with Topomax? How would you describe its antidepressant effects?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by rainy on February 2, 2006, at 15:54:49
In reply to Re: Topomax, posted by redscarlet on February 2, 2006, at 6:40:30
to Redscarlet and Scott: Scott first. I'm not sure there's much of an antidepressant effect with Topamax, Scott. I've been on it since 2002 or 3, but always with an antidepressant, and sometimes I've still been depressed. What it has done for me is to help to stabilize my moods (I have a diagnosis of BPII) and to strongly minimimize any urge to purge or to abuse alcohol.
I think I lost about ten pounds on it, too.
The literature says it's not an effective mood stabilizer, but I think it's worked for me. So far.
Al,l I can say for you, Redsacrlett is to start really slowly. Kar is the expert on dosing, here, but I began at 25 mgs and went up every two or three weeks by the same, adding 25 at night to make 50 and then after two weeks 25 in the morning for 75 and then maybe three weeks another 25 in the AM fo 100, but going back if that makes you sick or adding it at night. I experienced tingles in my hands and face and was crabby crabby crabby.
I used 90 mgs of zinc and 3000 of biotin (there's more info on the natural board? thread?) to deal with falling hair which I didn't have with Topamax but did with Lamictal. My ex-hair person said to rinse in cool water which does make whatever hair you have nice and shiny (no matter how badly it's been cut).
Just go slow and read back messages for more accurate dosing instructions. The package insert will have you going up faster than is comfortable and your doctor may not be aware that you can avoid a lot of side effects by going very very slowly.
I'm at 400 mgs and except for regular hair loss (I'm 63) so far I'm doing better than my husband--who keeps getting mistaken for my son--if you think that doesn't mess with my mood!!
Good luck to you both.
Rainy
Posted by Storm Rider on February 2, 2006, at 18:17:10
In reply to Re: Topomax, posted by redscarlet on February 2, 2006, at 6:40:30
> HI I'm on Zonegran right now for bipolar and it is not working as well as Topamax has for me in the past.
> I go to my pdoc on the 9th and plan on asking for a change but I need to know how to take the Topamax.
> In the past (over two years ago) he gave me 100mg pills and within a month or less I was on 200mg of the stuff every night and I lost a LOT of hair and I think I didn't take the med the right way to start with (note: I did take vitamins). It DID work on my bipolar very well but I would like to avoid the hair loss this time if I can (note: L, at what mg's does your daughter loss her hair ?) So if Someone here can give me a dosing schedule on how to go from 0 to 200mgs that would be GREAT... THANK YOU so much.... :-) And Thanks everyone for sharing your story about Topamax... :-)Ask your doctor to start you at 25 mg a day starting in the evenings increasing the dosage at two week intervals until you reach half the total desired dosage...
when you reach the half then add 25 mg in the mornings and again go up by two week intervals in the mornings until the second half of the total dosage is reached...kat
Posted by redscarlet on February 2, 2006, at 23:27:20
In reply to Re: Topomax » redscarlet, posted by Storm Rider on February 2, 2006, at 18:17:10
Thanks Rainy & Storm Rider / Kat, for your reply... :-)
I really hope my pdoc goes for the change from Zonegran to Topamax and if so I'll be sure to go slow on the dosing.
I'll let you know what he does next Thursday.
Have a Good Night and Thanks again... :-)
Posted by stresser on February 4, 2006, at 12:04:27
In reply to Re: Topomax, posted by redscarlet on February 2, 2006, at 23:27:20
I just found some time to read the posts, and am sorry it has takem me this long to respond.
My daughter noticed the hair loss was the greatest at 400mg per day. She now takes 300mg, (I take the same), and there may be some hair loss, but it could be the amount she would normally lose anyway. It is NOTHING, like before. In fact; I think, it could be possible that her body is becoming used to it and the side effectof the hair falling out is lessening even more with the 300mg. Relax about it, because I think I got myself more worried than I needed to be. (For sure) -L
Posted by redscarlet on February 4, 2006, at 18:59:37
In reply to Re: Topomax » redscarlet, posted by stresser on February 4, 2006, at 12:04:27
> I just found some time to read the posts, and am sorry it has takem me this long to respond.
>
> My daughter noticed the hair loss was the greatest at 400mg per day. She now takes 300mg, (I take the same), and there may be some hair loss, but it could be the amount she would normally lose anyway. It is NOTHING, like before. In fact; I think, it could be possible that her body is becoming used to it and the side effectof the hair falling out is lessening even more with the 300mg. Relax about it, because I think I got myself more worried than I needed to be. (For sure) -L
Thank you L .... :-)I've been thinking about going on the Topamax or not all day.
I loose some hair on the Zonegran (more then normal) and just fear the Topamax will be worse (it was in the past).
I just can't make up my mind but it was good to get your reply and I'm so happy for your daughter (and you... :-) )
I guess I'm just going to talk to my pdoc about it on Thursday.
I'll let you all know what happens.
Have a GOOD Night and Thanks again... :-)
Posted by Storm Rider on February 4, 2006, at 20:30:56
In reply to Re: Topomax » stresser, posted by redscarlet on February 4, 2006, at 18:59:37
Relax about it, because I think I got myself more worried than I needed to be. (For sure) -L
> Thank you L .... :-)
>
> I've been thinking about going on the Topamax or not all day.
> I loose some hair on the Zonegran (more then normal) and just fear the Topamax will be worse (it was in the past).
>I am presently taking 300 mg twice a day and working up to 400 mg twice a day; in the past I have been on 400 mg twice a day...
there has been no hair loss other than the normal hair loss one would espect...
you know, the hair that comes out in the brush normally each day... that sort of thing...I have an acquaintance who is on no medication whatever and refuses to consider medication for any reason... she could be dying of pain and would not take an aspirin, you know the type?
She loses so much hair on a daily basis that I expect her to be bald by the end of any given week. It is nothing unusual to go to her house and see the bath tub drain full of hair after her morning shower and the basin full of hair after she has styled her hair in the morning...
not sure what HER problem is... I am the one using the med that has the supposed hair-loss factor...
I keep suggesting that she should check into it...As has been said by Rainy and Stresser, follow the slow titration and listen to your body for the timetable and you will be all right...
it is the fast track that causes the problems with hair loss and vision and the rest of it...we want everything yesterday in this society...
take it slowly and carefully and wait for results...
good luck
kat
Posted by redscarlet on February 4, 2006, at 23:02:38
In reply to Re: Topomax » redscarlet, posted by Storm Rider on February 4, 2006, at 20:30:56
Thanks Storm Rider / Kat
It's so great to get all this positive support.
I know I'm being a little too nervous about the whole thing, it's just I've had so many bad side effects from so many meds in the past that I'm just being too cautious....OK chicken !!!! But I promise to settle down, besides, it's not my first time at the rodeo !Take care and I'll be in touch with what happens at the pdocs on Thursday.
Have a Good Night & Thanks again... :-)
Posted by fierycelt on February 6, 2006, at 0:26:26
In reply to Re: Topomax and redheads... » fierycelt, posted by storm rider on February 1, 2006, at 15:01:51
I think your "moniker" should be "circus juggler" not "storm rider"...lol. I certainly admire you, I hope someday to be as self-assured as you. Something to strive for!! This may sound strange, I wish you lived in my neighbourhood, you would be my favourite person to have my afternoon tea with...or trade books with...
I was raised to never give a thought to other peoples "disabilities"...actually my mother always taught me that, like myself & my ADDHD, it was what made them uniquely them...and I was to respect what the universe had "set in place". I have always assumed other people are like this, but deep down inside I realize they are not.
I'm sorry your mother did that to you. I suppose she thought she was doing the right thing for you, but maybe it was the right thing for her!! The "embarressment" of having a less than perfect child...such a shame. I hope you have made peace with this and her. I hope I have not offended you!! ...a personal question? Did it bother your husband when he found out?Like I mentioned before, working in a strip club isn't all bad, they are certainly very tolerate of "differences", unlike corporate America. Maybe because we are such "outcasts" based on what we do for a living. I would much rather "fly under the radar" and be an "outcast" in societies eyes, than be subjected to the close scrutiny and judgement by corporate America. I think it is better to be different than the same. I just can't see myself as a "sheep". We certainly all look out for each other...
One of the D.J's and one of the dancers has epilepsy. When this particular dancer goes on stage, certain lights aren't used. No muss, no fuss...no memos or seeing the corporate doctor. We all know what to look for in each one of these individuals when they may be having a seizure coming on! Once, this dancer had a seizure on stage!! The DJ shut the music off, had every dancer(30) come on stage & stand in a big circle around her, to watch her & made every customer stand up and turn their back to the stage..."gentlemen have some respect"!!! The GM called the ambulance and when it was over one of the bouncers & the GM went to the hospital with her. The owner paid for her hospital visit. And we are all "Losers"?????!!!!! HHHMMMM....
You are so right, people are unbelievably insensitive. They think they are being sensitive or PC, but infact they are making the situation worse. I experience it everyday. It is nothing for someone to remark about another being upset/angry as being "BiPolar". They say the word BP like they have bad taste in their mouth. I'm not sure why society thinks being upset/angry is a sure sign of BP...oh, it is one of many...but not a sure sign. Did you "gently educate" that cameraman? Hope so...
Are your moccasins uncomfortable? Sometimes mine "pinch" a lot...give me blisters.Boredom...when I am bored I get into mischief...not really... but my husband (yup I'm married)(he's a sweetie) says I become willful and stubborn...a handful. But it is just who I am he says. He is very patient/calm, a by-product of being Southern, thank goodness...However, he goes to school full time, works full time, tries to support both of us financially since I'm not making money and keep track of me. Alot of stress, he seems unflappable, but I am afraid he will cave in eventually. It's not fair to him. But...he says he married me not because I was perfect, but because I was perfect for him...he knew life would always be interesting with me, after all dating me was!! Fortunately he never tries to "fix" me or anything I do...he has seen me at my absolute worst and has never told me what "I need to do". He has always told me it is up to me what I feel I need to do. I am not suggesting he thinks I am not sick, but he realizes I am the only one who can take control of my health. He just helps...reminds me about things...now it is eating, taking vitamins and doing yoga. I never doubt for a minute I am luckier than most...
I loved the... "I have been through so many incarnations that I have met myself coming in the door as I was going out..." I will try and remember that...a reminder that with the restless mind sometimes "history" repeats itself and not to get alarmed or discouraged...fabulous!!!!
There was a movie with Bette Midler and Lily Tomlin about twins switched at birth...a great line from the movie... "if you stand here long enough, you see yourself come out"...what you said made me think of it...aaahhh another random ADDHD reference. Life is grand!!!
So-o I, impatient as always, increased my Topamax by 25mg (now 50mg) 5 days earlier than you suggested...I hope this wasn't one of my less than better ideas...will let you know.
I'm ok being the "Village Idiot" (I will still be smarter than Mr. Bush,LOL) but I don't want to lose my hair. I am going to research vitamin suppliments, to hopefully, prevent this.Warm Regards,
Suzy
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2006, at 20:36:46
In reply to Re: Topomax and redheads..., posted by fierycelt on February 6, 2006, at 0:26:26
> I think your "moniker" should be "circus juggler" not "storm rider"...
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to keep this thread about Topomax and redirect more social interaction to another board here, Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20060203/msgs/607023.html
Also, information about babblemail is at:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#babblemail
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by stresser on February 6, 2006, at 21:26:30
In reply to Re: Topomax and redheads..., posted by fierycelt on February 6, 2006, at 0:26:26
I loved your post! People are very quick to judge other people with BP, that is... if they are not aware of exactly what BP really is.
Impatient? I think I drove Kat and Rainy crazy about one year ago with the Topomax dosage. Hang in there! My daughters doctor increased her dosage (when we found the right pdoc) by 100mg 300-400 at once. No side effects other than the hair coming out, and that would have happened anyway at the higher dosage. Keep us posted with your interesting stories, and remember...you aren't the only one. -L
Posted by fierycelt on February 6, 2006, at 21:47:30
In reply to Re: Topomax and redheads... » fierycelt, posted by stresser on February 6, 2006, at 21:26:30
thank you "stressor" I feel lucky knowing people like you, Rainy & Kat aka Storm Rider are out there...I shouldn't be going beyond a dosage of 100mg. I hope your daughter hasn't lost too much hair...it's hard enough being a kid.
I will be switching to the "social page" for my "stories"...Dr. Bob has imparted reason into my ADDHD brain...Thank you Dr. Bob *smile*...Topamax page for Topamax stuff and Social page for social stuff...got it!!! Sorry... be patient with the ADDHD BP. We try hard, but you know we can get distracted!!!
Posted by Aleese on February 10, 2006, at 0:22:07
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by Ellen Brodie on May 12, 1999, at 19:08:30
I was wondering if anyone has experienced loss of appetite with the Topamax and or wieghtloss and if so how many millegrams do you take???
Posted by Aleese on February 10, 2006, at 0:28:43
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by Aleese on February 10, 2006, at 0:22:07
I already posted but i wanted to change my subject.
Does anyone know if there us definate wieghtloss with Topamax and or lowered appetite? if so how many mgs is it suppose to be before it works that way?
Posted by Aleese on February 10, 2006, at 0:31:28
In reply to Re: topamax » fierycelt, posted by stresser on January 29, 2006, at 20:31:10
> Well...so far so good, anyway! My diagnosis was new this time last year, so therefore; I have only been on topomax for one year. I think this is the board for you, because it doesn't matter why you take it. Many of us take it for BP, and many others for other things, but we're all experiencing the same effects from the same medication. You don't have to "ride the storm out anymore". -L
> Have you lost wieght on it?
Posted by redscarlet on February 10, 2006, at 14:08:53
In reply to Re: topamax, posted by Aleese on February 10, 2006, at 0:31:28
Well here's the update from my pdoc appointment yesterday...
After talking to my doctor about how the Zonegran was effecting me ( adding depression & hair loss ) we decided to stop the Zonegran and NOT start the Topamax because we both felt I would NOT have a positive reaction to it and to just stay with the Abilify for my bipolar.
I really do think I would have the same reaction as I did to it the first time I took Topamax. I was tired all the time, my hair loss was MASSIVE and I seemed irritable on it. So I think I will follow my gut feeling and also my pdoc's advice and stay away from it, I feel OK with that at this time.
Best of health to you all and have a good after noon... :-)
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