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Posted by starlight on July 6, 2005, at 12:38:06
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by Cindy W on January 11, 2000, at 22:18:51
Hi all,
I'm coming off of effexor xr and frankly am scared about it. I take only 75mgs, and am glad it's a low dose as I'm sure it will be easier to handle than coming off of a higher dose. It's actually not that I'm scared of experiencing the withdrawal, more that I'm scared about not having it since I like it. It's done a good job of treating my depression. I'm also coming off of my other drugs too! And am glad about that totally. I've been reducing my trileptal and the lamictal will be the last thing to go. Hubbie and I are considering getting pregnant, which is why I'm coming off of the drugs. But frankly, I've never been convinced I was bipolar, and really think I just had problems with depression. So in a way, this is good because it will give me a clean start.For those of you who have gone through this, please share your thoughts. Even better if you've come off of other drugs at the same time. How long did it take you to feel better?
Thanks,
STarlight
Posted by Gamediva2112 on July 6, 2005, at 13:57:38
In reply to Re: Weaning from Effexor - Nightmares, posted by nik05 on June 4, 2005, at 9:58:51
LOL
I am soooo glad to find this thread! I thought it was just me! I have been on Effexor for over a year now with hardly any side effects. HOWEVER I have been POUNDING THE BOOZE! LOL
My husband noticed that while I was more pleasant in general (I was very hard to get along with when my anxiety ran high) my propensity for booze has gone off the chart. I can easily drink 9-10 drinks at a sitting, and I am to twice a week for that binge now. (Note: I am very nice drunk! LOL)
I have just recently made the decision to go off Effexor for a trial period. It will be interesting to see if my craving for booze diminishes. I am going off because the insomnia/sleep cycle is wrecking my life. I am for 20 hours, down for 12, up for 20, down for 12...like a speed freak. Other than that, I have felt fine all this time, well, with the exception of all those hangovers...LOL
Tracy =D
> >>>Then there is my increased penchant for alcohol. I find myself binge drinking increasingly, and craving alcohol by the end of the day.
>
> Hi, Emma67! I have never posted on this website; nor am I on Effexor at the moment. My doctor just gave me a sample yesterday which is why I'm on here trying to get info.
>
> The side-effect you listed about the alcohol cravings have happened to me on EVERY antidepressant med that I have tried. Although I know it's difficult for you, I was actually kind of glad to hear of someone else actually having this effect. My doctors look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them that that's what happens when I take ADs.
>
> I become this raging alcoholic about a week after starting ADs; which I'm only a VERY moderate drinker now... one to two glasses of wine every other week, maybe! I also have blackouts from the wine and the ADs. And ALL of the above-mentioned side-effects go away immediately after stopping the med.
>
> Have you tried other ADs? Other anxiety meds? Just curious if this has happened to you on other ones as well.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
Posted by carolina on July 6, 2005, at 14:34:18
In reply to Quitting Effexor XR - and off of all other meds!, posted by starlight on July 6, 2005, at 12:38:06
> Hi all,
> I'm coming off of effexor xr and frankly am scared about it. I take only 75mgs, and am glad it's a low dose as I'm sure it will be easier to handle than coming off of a higher dose. It's actually not that I'm scared of experiencing the withdrawal, more that I'm scared about not having it since I like it. It's done a good job of treating my depression. I'm also coming off of my other drugs too! And am glad about that totally. I've been reducing my trileptal and the lamictal will be the last thing to go. Hubbie and I are considering getting pregnant, which is why I'm coming off of the drugs. But frankly, I've never been convinced I was bipolar, and really think I just had problems with depression. So in a way, this is good because it will give me a clean start.
>
> For those of you who have gone through this, please share your thoughts. Even better if you've come off of other drugs at the same time. How long did it take you to feel better?
> Thanks,
> STarlight
i have gotten off several meds cold and several of those x's i hit bottom within 2 weeks.3 x's i did fine for quite some x, a year or more but i now know to NEVER stop meds at once b/c u just never know what can happen. i have been slowly taken off effexor and experienced no bad side effects but when i weined off my klonopin my anxiety and depression came back hard. i had to take antidepressants and klonopin through both my pregnancies and thank God my boys are healthy but being high risk the drs felt strongly that there were more benefits to outweigh the risks. just work w/ ur dr and when ur off all the meds see how u feel after some time. i really hope it goes well. i also know people who have been diagnosed w/ being bipolar and the drs were wrong and 1 friend in particular did MUCH better off the meds than on. he had mild depression and the meds made him feel bipolar.best wishes
Posted by baby girl on July 6, 2005, at 22:04:04
In reply to Re: Quitting Effexor XR - and off of all other meds!, posted by carolina on July 6, 2005, at 14:34:18
> > Hi all,
> > I'm coming off of effexor xr and frankly am scared about it. I take only 75mgs, and am glad it's a low dose as I'm sure it will be easier to handle than coming off of a higher dose. It's actually not that I'm scared of experiencing the withdrawal, more that I'm scared about not having it since I like it. It's done a good job of treating my depression. I'm also coming off of my other drugs too! And am glad about that totally. I've been reducing my trileptal and the lamictal will be the last thing to go. Hubbie and I are considering getting pregnant, which is why I'm coming off of the drugs. But frankly, I've never been convinced I was bipolar, and really think I just had problems with depression. So in a way, this is good because it will give me a clean start.
> >
> > For those of you who have gone through this, please share your thoughts. Even better if you've come off of other drugs at the same time. How long did it take you to feel better?
> > Thanks,
> > STarlight
> i have gotten off several meds cold and several of those x's i hit bottom within 2 weeks.3 x's i did fine for quite some x, a year or more but i now know to NEVER stop meds at once b/c u just never know what can happen. i have been slowly taken off effexor and experienced no bad side effects but when i weined off my klonopin my anxiety and depression came back hard. i had to take antidepressants and klonopin through both my pregnancies and thank God my boys are healthy but being high risk the drs felt strongly that there were more benefits to outweigh the risks. just work w/ ur dr and when ur off all the meds see how u feel after some time. i really hope it goes well. i also know people who have been diagnosed w/ being bipolar and the drs were wrong and 1 friend in particular did MUCH better off the meds than on. he had mild depression and the meds made him feel bipolar.best wishes
> Hi, This is Baby Girl. I also had a friend that doc said he was bipolar. He didn't think so, so he changed doc. he is of all meds now and doing just fine. just goes to show you all docs are not perfect. GOOD LUCK but be careful
Posted by carolina on July 6, 2005, at 22:26:26
In reply to Re: Quitting Effexor XR - and off of all other meds!, posted by baby girl on July 6, 2005, at 22:04:04
> > > Hi all,
> > > I'm coming off of effexor xr and frankly am scared about it. I take only 75mgs, and am glad it's a low dose as I'm sure it will be easier to handle than coming off of a higher dose. It's actually not that I'm scared of experiencing the withdrawal, more that I'm scared about not having it since I like it. It's done a good job of treating my depression. I'm also coming off of my other drugs too! And am glad about that totally. I've been reducing my trileptal and the lamictal will be the last thing to go. Hubbie and I are considering getting pregnant, which is why I'm coming off of the drugs. But frankly, I've never been convinced I was bipolar, and really think I just had problems with depression. So in a way, this is good because it will give me a clean start.
> > >
> > > For those of you who have gone through this, please share your thoughts. Even better if you've come off of other drugs at the same time. How long did it take you to feel better?
> > > Thanks,
> > > STarlight
> > i have gotten off several meds cold and several of those x's i hit bottom within 2 weeks.3 x's i did fine for quite some x, a year or more but i now know to NEVER stop meds at once b/c u just never know what can happen. i have been slowly taken off effexor and experienced no bad side effects but when i weined off my klonopin my anxiety and depression came back hard. i had to take antidepressants and klonopin through both my pregnancies and thank God my boys are healthy but being high risk the drs felt strongly that there were more benefits to outweigh the risks. just work w/ ur dr and when ur off all the meds see how u feel after some time. i really hope it goes well. i also know people who have been diagnosed w/ being bipolar and the drs were wrong and 1 friend in particular did MUCH better off the meds than on. he had mild depression and the meds made him feel bipolar.best wishes
> > Hi, This is Baby Girl. I also had a friend that doc said he was bipolar. He didn't think so, so he changed doc. he is of all meds now and doing just fine. just goes to show you all docs are not perfect. GOOD LUCK but be careful
>
> Thanx and i will! Take care
Posted by starlight on July 7, 2005, at 11:53:30
In reply to Re: Quitting Effexor XR - and off of all other meds!, posted by carolina on July 6, 2005, at 14:34:18
Thanks for your info. I too think the meds may have made me hypomanic, but then having a lot of energy runs in my family and I don't consider that abnormal. I consider coming home, getting on the couch and not wanting to do the things I would normally do, abnormal.
We're going to come down slowly, and one thing about your post that I'm interested in, is did you come off of the Effexor while you were still on the Klonopin, and did you think that helped you?
Thanks,
Starlight
Posted by jesica on July 7, 2005, at 12:38:06
In reply to Re: what should I do? HELP, posted by carolina on July 6, 2005, at 8:03:41
Hi there,
For the past few weeks I've been on Effexor XR. It wasn't doing it for me at all. My doctor switched me to Cupralex 10mg. Today is my second day. I've been feeling really strange, like if I am a different person. I could just stare at open space for hours without blinking. Has this happened to anyone? I feel relaxed, which I guess is a good thing but I hate not being able to have control over things and that is how I feel. Will this go away?
Posted by happyg on July 7, 2005, at 15:34:05
In reply to Re: side effects to effexor, posted by carolina on July 4, 2005, at 14:15:05
hello everyone !!!
well for everything that i read from you guys i don't see any getting better in any of you. it is either the side effects or the getting worse .
i did a lot of research on this medicine and all the antidepress med. to tell you the truth i dont believe in this anymore . i took my boyfriend out of this medicine and we are trying new ways to confron this problems .
i would love for you to try different things and talk to yourself and try to find a way that will make you happier . start by doing all the things that make you happy and try to execrise your mind on your own .
i read about many people that have had the same sympthons that us .. and they have benn out of it with no medicine . it is the hard way . but you will have a longer life and more healthy .i also believe nutriotion is very important and also your spiritual life could help if you try to make it better . i don't want to sound like someone who doesn't understant what u are going through. believe me i know how this feels . but the good thing is thatwe are all aware of how we feel and i am sure we can fixed in soem other ways . these medicines all the do is make you feel alittle better while you are on them and then .. you health will be destroyed.
thank you all for your feedbacks and hope everyone feels better :)
Posted by haddsl on July 7, 2005, at 15:42:38
In reply to quiting, posted by happyg on July 7, 2005, at 15:34:05
Is it proven that not being on antidepressants will lead to a longer life? I have seen no such research! What works for soem does not work for all, and I am sorry but not all of us can solve our problems with talk, spiritual guidance, excersize and nutrition. I for one have nothing in my life that should be making me depressed or anxious in any way but... here I am anxiety disorder and depression. And I knew about the anxiety before the doctor. They thought it was insomnia. Although it was hard to get through your post with all the truley horrid spelling. I believe that if you can get through it on your own... Great!!! But, you don't need to preach to us like we are a bunch of pill popping fakers! Some of us just can't control it on our own. So good luck to you pill free. And to the rest of us... I hope that someday we are able to control these problems, but if you can't I will still be here with a sympathetic ear.
> hello everyone !!!
> well for everything that i read from you guys i don't see any getting better in any of you. it is either the side effects or the getting worse .
> i did a lot of research on this medicine and all the antidepress med. to tell you the truth i dont believe in this anymore . i took my boyfriend out of this medicine and we are trying new ways to confron this problems .
> i would love for you to try different things and talk to yourself and try to find a way that will make you happier . start by doing all the things that make you happy and try to execrise your mind on your own .
> i read about many people that have had the same sympthons that us .. and they have benn out of it with no medicine . it is the hard way . but you will have a longer life and more healthy .
>
> i also believe nutriotion is very important and also your spiritual life could help if you try to make it better . i don't want to sound like someone who doesn't understant what u are going through. believe me i know how this feels . but the good thing is thatwe are all aware of how we feel and i am sure we can fixed in soem other ways . these medicines all the do is make you feel alittle better while you are on them and then .. you health will be destroyed.
> thank you all for your feedbacks and hope everyone feels better :)
Posted by TinMan on July 7, 2005, at 15:55:39
In reply to quiting, posted by happyg on July 7, 2005, at 15:34:05
Well, for me, the side effects are pretty much gone (after about 5 weeks) except for the teeth clenching which the Klonopin helps with.
As far as quitting Effexor XR, I don't see why. I feel so much more relaxed, focused, and happy!
If I stop taking my asthma inhalor (one puff a day), I will be on oxygen by the age of 60. (Not too far off for me!) DOes that mean I am ADDICTED to it? No! And yeah, it has side effects, too. Heart palpitations and it contains steroids. But the benefits outweigh the risks, by far. I DO NOT want to be on oxygen at 60~!
So, if I have to take Effexor XR and Klonopin everyday, what is the big deal? That I might get (gasp!) addicted!? Again, the benefits for me outweigh the side effects.
I dislike the stigma that surrounds any mental disease or disorder. No one says anything if you have to take blood pressure medicine or insilun (sp?) for the rest of your life.
Yeah, there is some validity to behavior modification. But there is still a whole lot out there about the chemistry and working of the brain that is undiscovered and unresearched. How about the hormone influence? Can a little "behavior modification" just make that go away? No.
So for all of you that are "quitting", I hope that you are doing it for the right reasons, following protocol/procedures for stopping, seeing a doctor/psychiatrist and perhaps trying something else. (Tom Cruise just THINKS he knows a lot about psychiatry! I agree with Brooke Shields: has Tom Cruise ever experienced post-partum depression? No.)
Just travelling down that yellow brick road,
TinMan
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 7, 2005, at 16:11:16
In reply to Re: quiting, posted by haddsl on July 7, 2005, at 15:42:38
Friends,
It is written here,[...is it proven that not being on antidepressants will lead to a longer life?...].
I have a great deal of reserch concerning that question and if anyone would like me to give that to them, they can email me at:
[email protected]
Lou
Posted by julish on July 7, 2005, at 20:14:19
In reply to Re: quiting, posted by haddsl on July 7, 2005, at 15:42:38
Thank YOU! Well said, haddsl!
By the way HappyG.... I am having great success so far on effexor. I can function again, think again, LIVE again! It's wonderful...and I DID try many alternatives and investigations as to what the problem was...until this medication, nothing helped.
So...there are successes. And... "to each, his own".... Don't judge others because medication is helping them.
And good luck to you.
Julie
Posted by carolina on July 8, 2005, at 2:14:26
In reply to Re: Quitting Effexor XR - and off of all other med, posted by starlight on July 7, 2005, at 11:53:30
> Thanks for your info. I too think the meds may have made me hypomanic, but then having a lot of energy runs in my family and I don't consider that abnormal. I consider coming home, getting on the couch and not wanting to do the things I would normally do, abnormal.
>
> We're going to come down slowly, and one thing about your post that I'm interested in, is did you come off of the Effexor while you were still on the Klonopin, and did you think that helped you?
> Thanks,
> StarlightYES!!! it helprd w/ the anxiety very much. Good luck and take care
Posted by carolina on July 8, 2005, at 2:18:37
In reply to has anyone tried Cipralex?, posted by jesica on July 7, 2005, at 12:38:06
> Hi there,
> For the past few weeks I've been on Effexor XR. It wasn't doing it for me at all. My doctor switched me to Cupralex 10mg. Today is my second day. I've been feeling really strange, like if I am a different person. I could just stare at open space for hours without blinking. Has this happened to anyone? I feel relaxed, which I guess is a good thing but I hate not being able to have control over things and that is how I feel. Will this go away?
> i really dont know anything about Cupralex but u can ask ur doc or look on dr bobs home page 4 liks to meds and info about them he has posted. let me know what u find out if u dont mind. take care
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 2:18:55
In reply to quiting, posted by happyg on July 7, 2005, at 15:34:05
> these medicines all the do is make you feel alittle better while you are on them and then .. you health will be destroyed.
Please don’t exaggerate or overgeneralize.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by carolina on July 8, 2005, at 2:35:29
In reply to quiting, posted by happyg on July 7, 2005, at 15:34:05
> hello everyone !!!
> well for everything that i read from you guys i don't see any getting better in any of you. it is either the side effects or the getting worse .
> i did a lot of research on this medicine and all the antidepress med. to tell you the truth i dont believe in this anymore . i took my boyfriend out of this medicine and we are trying new ways to confron this problems .
> i would love for you to try different things and talk to yourself and try to find a way that will make you happier . start by doing all the things that make you happy and try to execrise your mind on your own .
> i read about many people that have had the same sympthons that us .. and they have benn out of it with no medicine . it is the hard way . but you will have a longer life and more healthy .
>
> i also believe nutriotion is very important and also your spiritual life could help if you try to make it better . i don't want to sound like someone who doesn't understant what u are going through. believe me i know how this feels . but the good thing is thatwe are all aware of how we feel and i am sure we can fixed in soem other ways . these medicines all the do is make you feel alittle better while you are on them and then .. you health will be destroyed.
> thank you all for your feedbacks and hope everyone feels better :)>i hope everything works out 4 u. i know very few people that have mental illness that did have success w/o meds and therapy but im not gonna put u down. i really hope it works 4 u. i know that ive tried myself to not take meds and do other things 2 feel better but i felt much worse not long after quitting my meds. a good point that was made from a prior post was that people have to take meds. 4 all types of illnesses and they r not looked down upon in society like people who have mental illness and take meds so its unfair to the ones that suffer from the hurt,emptiness,lonliness,etc.....when thats the last thing they need. please take care and if u start to feel depressed again get help IMMEDIATELY!
Posted by angelbean on July 8, 2005, at 3:27:55
In reply to Re: quiting, posted by haddsl on July 7, 2005, at 15:42:38
THANK YOU!
> Is it proven that not being on antidepressants will lead to a longer life? I have seen no such research! What works for soem does not work for all, and I am sorry but not all of us can solve our problems with talk, spiritual guidance, excersize and nutrition. I for one have nothing in my life that should be making me depressed or anxious in any way but... here I am anxiety disorder and depression. And I knew about the anxiety before the doctor. They thought it was insomnia. Although it was hard to get through your post with all the truley horrid spelling. I believe that if you can get through it on your own... Great!!! But, you don't need to preach to us like we are a bunch of pill popping fakers! Some of us just can't control it on our own. So good luck to you pill free. And to the rest of us... I hope that someday we are able to control these problems, but if you can't I will still be here with a sympathetic ear.
>
>
> > hello everyone !!!
> > well for everything that i read from you guys i don't see any getting better in any of you. it is either the side effects or the getting worse .
> > i did a lot of research on this medicine and all the antidepress med. to tell you the truth i dont believe in this anymore . i took my boyfriend out of this medicine and we are trying new ways to confron this problems .
> > i would love for you to try different things and talk to yourself and try to find a way that will make you happier . start by doing all the things that make you happy and try to execrise your mind on your own .
> > i read about many people that have had the same sympthons that us .. and they have benn out of it with no medicine . it is the hard way . but you will have a longer life and more healthy .
> >
> > i also believe nutriotion is very important and also your spiritual life could help if you try to make it better . i don't want to sound like someone who doesn't understant what u are going through. believe me i know how this feels . but the good thing is thatwe are all aware of how we feel and i am sure we can fixed in soem other ways . these medicines all the do is make you feel alittle better while you are on them and then .. you health will be destroyed.
> > thank you all for your feedbacks and hope everyone feels better :)
>
>
Posted by angelbean on July 8, 2005, at 3:43:23
In reply to Quitting Effexor XR - and off of all other meds!, posted by starlight on July 6, 2005, at 12:38:06
I have been on Effexor XR 150mg for 8 years. I too am coming off of it. Not because it's not working for me, but because I lost my insurance and this stuff is $140 a month! Believe me, if I could afford it, I would continue it forever.
Anyway, it has been 3 days since my last dose, and I think I'm actually feeling a little better. I have experienced all the side effects that everyone complains of, but I feel pretty good right now. I am frightened by the posts I've read here and elsewhere about the effects of coming off, especially without the benefit of tapering. So I wanted to let people know that one person out there is getting off it, and so far I'm ok. I would love to hear from some people who have been successful at getting off it without a lot of side effects. I'm hoping you're out there, and just not talking!
> Hi all,
> I'm coming off of effexor xr and frankly am scared about it.
Posted by DawniePoo on July 8, 2005, at 6:46:25
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hi. I've been checking in on this board since going on Effexor about 4 months ago, but have never posted. I have a few concerns that I thought you all may be able to answer/help with...
First, the side effects, I've had increased sweating, hot flashes, some wierd disconnected feeling, sometimes slip into a "fog", and my energy levels seem to be really odd, up, down, up down.
Three years ago I quit smoking cold turkey, since being on Effexor I have started again, and the reason seems to just be this new "EH- whatever" attitude. The smoking is just one example, this attitude seems to carry over to alot, but it leaves me thinking is this a side effect, or is this the way normal people function? I spent all of my life depressed and was just pushed over the edge to get help after my mom died and I began having some odd PTSD (I was there when she died)... so after spending all my life freaking out over all the "little stuff" is this just normal to not be freaking out on myself about all the little stuff, or is this not normal. (Keep in mind I realize I should not smoke, and I need to stop, I just seem to not be downing myself about it) Should I be? Another example, money issues pop up and I seem to not think about it ALL day, just find a way to resolve it and get over it, again, hard to know if this is normal, or not...Wierd.
Also, I have High Blood Pressure (not severe, more high borderline) so I take Atenenol and my Effexor, I have a really odd schedule so I have forgotton to take my meds before, and it seems when I have forgotton, I wake up in the morning and I am beyond dizzy and off balance- JUST FROM FORGETTING ONE DOSE! Has anyone else exprienced that? I surely will not be forgetting to take my pills anytime again soon!
Now that I have blabbed on and on about this... Wanted to also say thanks to all of you for the informative input you all put out there, it helps ALOT!
I look forward to your input...
-Dawn
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 8:31:31
In reply to Re: please be civil » happyg, posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 2:18:55
> > these medicines all the do is make you feel alittle better while you are on them and then .. you health will be destroyed.
>
> Please don’t exaggerate or overgeneralize.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Dr. Hsiung,
In your above statement to the poster , you write,[...don't overgeneralize...exaggerate...].
Could one post research links here that could have the potential to show that the poster in question is not overgeneralizing or exaggerating?
Lou Pilder
Posted by haddsl on July 8, 2005, at 9:07:50
In reply to Re: quiting, posted by julish on July 7, 2005, at 20:14:19
I know I am just so sick of people treating us like a bunch of druggies. And other people say it all the time on this thread as well. Everyone is different. And anyone that CAN fix this problem with just talking or excersixe or what not. Must not be that bad, or it must not be caused from chemical inbalance or something. I know I can NOT fix mine that way. But good luck to all.
> Thank YOU! Well said, haddsl!
> By the way HappyG.... I am having great success so far on effexor. I can function again, think again, LIVE again! It's wonderful...and I DID try many alternatives and investigations as to what the problem was...until this medication, nothing helped.
> So...there are successes. And... "to each, his own".... Don't judge others because medication is helping them.
> And good luck to you.
> Julie
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 9:35:08
In reply to Lou's response to Dr. Hsiung's post-hstygen? » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 8:31:31
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 10:35:04
In reply to Re: sure (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 9:35:08
Dr. Hsiung and all members of this mental-health community.
I am delighted to accept the offer here by Dr. Hsiung to show reserch that could indicate that the taking of psychotropic could harm your health amd that the statement by Dr. Hsiung that the poster in question's statement has the potential to be accurate and is not overgeneralizing or exaggerating.
What I will post here is to show where the psychotropic drugs came from, what the chmicals do to those that take them, how pesticides and poisons act and how nerve agents that kill are related to the development of psychotropic drugs. I also will show the relationship with the Nazi regime and psychiatry along with IG Farben and Nazi Germany, Bayer and Hoechst.
But first I would like for those that are going to post to this thread to take in consideration what is written in the following link concerning the "chemical imbalance" theory of psychiatry.
Lou Pilder
http://www.deep-trance.com/treatment/chemical-imbalance.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 10:49:21
In reply to Re: sure (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 9:35:08
Friends,
If you are going to post to this thread, I am also requesting that you consider what is in the following link concerning the "chemical imbalance" theory of psychiatry.
Lou Pilder
http://mambers.fortunecity.com/siriusw/Biochemical-Imbalance.htm
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 10:55:44
In reply to Re: sure (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 9:35:08
http://members.fortunecity.com/siriusw/Biochemical-Imbalance.htm
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