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Posted by haddsl on June 13, 2005, at 15:45:16
In reply to Re: Effexor w/ Traz or Remeron; which better for sleep, posted by TinMan on June 11, 2005, at 18:15:58
I know what you are saying. I have been on Effexor XR for about a month now. And I have had no side effects to date. So far so good. The only thing I have noticed is not sleeping as well, and I have no tast for alcohol anymore. I used to drink a lot and then quite, and then I would just drink occasionally with friends and at parties. Now it is almost like I am always just "not in the mood" for alcohol. Strange, not that I mind, but strange.
- haddsl
> I am in the middle of switching from Paxil to Effexor XR. A few months ago, a psychiatrist gave me a prescription for Remeron 15 mg. I am still a little groggy in the mornings from it, but for the first time in quite a while (years), I sleep the whole night. I tried Ambien and it didn't help. So Remeron, to me, is a Godsend. It turns my brain off at night so I can sleep.
>
> I have read the posts on Effexor XR and alcohol. While on Paxil, I drank a lot more than I ever have in my entire life. And I behaved badly while drinking and on Paxil. I am not looking for a scapegoat or release of responsibility for my bad behavior, no. I do find it interesting that others have experienced the same thing. (I am not alone in this!)
>
> So far, the Effexor XR side effects are not bothersome and withdrawing from the Paxil has not been noticeable. I did have a headache for about 24 hours but that could not even be related.
>
> Thanks for your posts.
Posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2005, at 17:17:42
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by Maxime on June 13, 2005, at 1:24:55
Hey wait a minute I used to drink a lot while on l0mg of paxil. Drank 5-6 beers every night or white wine. But I started that before paxil. Stopped when chloral hydrate was added. Had to or it would have been a mickey finn. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by sastamour on June 14, 2005, at 15:56:10
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? YES! , posted by Shel on July 18, 2000, at 1:35:45
I started Effexor XR 75mg 4 days ago and feel terrible. Tired, sleeping all the time day and night, no appetite, some nausea. Does anyone know if this will go away and when?
Posted by TinMan on June 14, 2005, at 18:05:39
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? YES!, posted by sastamour on June 14, 2005, at 15:56:10
I have been on Effexor XR for over one week. Now I am up to 150 mg from 75 mg. Not tired at all but feel a little wired. No naseau - instead, I am hungry all the time. Starting to notice that things don't bother me at all; kinda of a "I really don't care" attitude. Off of the Paxil completely w/o side effects except I like red wine again and in very moderate consumption (!)
Interesting how different drugs affect different people.
Living in Oz,
TinMan
Posted by corafree on June 14, 2005, at 21:20:01
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » SLS, posted by Elroy on June 10, 2005, at 16:52:08
Hi Elroy -
Multiple trauma in my life!!! Could talk a year about these experiences ... and really wonder if my mind is so powerful that I can 'undo' fright, fear, learned behavior.
I am interested in learning more about EMDR. I do find DBT (dialectical behavioral therapy - in case someone else doesn't know what I mean) only helped me a little bit, and it was intensive for six months.
When you said ...
'Or maybe it's a situation where one's HPA Axis has become dysfunctional and they are producing excessive cortisol. Excessive cortisol problems are directly involved in a significant number of anxiety and severe depression situations. The excessive cortisol actually "creates" (or "manufacturers") anxiety and severe depression... so getting the cortisol lowered and the HPA Axis re-set is vital to be able to successfully withdraw from medications that are being helpful (IMHO anyway!).'
... you really lost me! What are you saying here? I'm interested; but it's over my head!
Tks, cf
Posted by Elroy on June 14, 2005, at 22:35:46
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 14, 2005, at 21:20:01
As it is quite a bit off topic, can you Babblemail me and I can directly reply to you - and the info on it is somewhat more extensive (links, etc.).
I think that this community will find that elevated cortisol treatments will be one of the major advances in this decade in treating mental disorders.
In some cases it will affect a cure on its own while in other cases one will find that treatment resisitant cases now become quickly treatable.
Elroy
> Hi Elroy -
>
> Multiple trauma in my life!!! Could talk a year about these experiences ... and really wonder if my mind is so powerful that I can 'undo' fright, fear, learned behavior.
>
> I am interested in learning more about EMDR. I do find DBT (dialectical behavioral therapy - in case someone else doesn't know what I mean) only helped me a little bit, and it was intensive for six months.
>
> When you said ...
>
> 'Or maybe it's a situation where one's HPA Axis has become dysfunctional and they are producing excessive cortisol. Excessive cortisol problems are directly involved in a significant number of anxiety and severe depression situations. The excessive cortisol actually "creates" (or "manufacturers") anxiety and severe depression... so getting the cortisol lowered and the HPA Axis re-set is vital to be able to successfully withdraw from medications that are being helpful (IMHO anyway!).'
>
> ... you really lost me! What are you saying here? I'm interested; but it's over my head!
>
> Tks, cf
>
Posted by Elroy on June 14, 2005, at 22:39:12
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 14, 2005, at 21:20:01
Also, are you familiar with EMDR? I would go to RemedyFind.com web page and do a search for EMDR". There are some postings there from some users (no, I have yet to get my review posted there - shame on me). And I believe that there's at least one link to an organization or two with search engines on their sites where you can search for a certified therapist in your area... plus do a lot better job at explaining it than I could....
> Hi Elroy -
>
> Multiple trauma in my life!!! Could talk a year about these experiences ... and really wonder if my mind is so powerful that I can 'undo' fright, fear, learned behavior.
>
> I am interested in learning more about EMDR. I do find DBT (dialectical behavioral therapy - in case someone else doesn't know what I mean) only helped me a little bit, and it was intensive for six months.
>
> When you said ...
>
> 'Or maybe it's a situation where one's HPA Axis has become dysfunctional and they are producing excessive cortisol. Excessive cortisol problems are directly involved in a significant number of anxiety and severe depression situations. The excessive cortisol actually "creates" (or "manufacturers") anxiety and severe depression... so getting the cortisol lowered and the HPA Axis re-set is vital to be able to successfully withdraw from medications that are being helpful (IMHO anyway!).'
>
> ... you really lost me! What are you saying here? I'm interested; but it's over my head!
>
> Tks, cf
>
Posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 12:58:59
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » corafree, posted by Elroy on June 14, 2005, at 22:35:46
Hi Elroy. My computer is not letting me do what I want this morn; going to do surfing re: HPA Axis and then get back to you via babble.
First thought; this is the kind of thing that should be discussed in posts here to give us all some thought provocating ideas or understandings.
Second thought; respect your wish as your sharing (which I'm sure is very sincere) may be technical or controversial or IYO, and could see why rather go this route.
Montel Williams spoke this a.m. about the multi-faceted way he treats his multiple sclerosis; one facet being a five(or four?) chinese herb mix. I thought 'good for you, share; because ya' know he could keep silent and not possibly spurn medical docs or experts in areas of different treatment. I hate seeing anyone suffer because they are not privy to something helpful.
I've 'opened mouth and inserted foot' more than once here; partly because I'm no genius, and partly because I am 'anti-politically and anti-socially honest'. It's wise for me to always take two steps back or count to 10, but that's hard for me because I'm a bit too reactive and spontaneous!
I've burned bridges, lost friends, and blown whistles. In my (sometimes lonesome) heart, I know there is some reason. That's why I am thankful for psycho-babble; can correct self before acting.
Busy, feelin' okay. Tks and best wishes .. cf
Posted by haddsl on June 15, 2005, at 13:08:04
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 12:58:59
It's wise for me to always take two steps back or count to 10, but that's hard for me because I'm a bit too reactive and spontaneous!
>I am this same way. It is SO hard to not loose it and just tell people exactlly what you think of them, and what you think of their ideas and such. I always want to just jump in before thinking. Very VERY hard to do!
-haddsl
Posted by blueyezzzzzz on June 15, 2005, at 16:18:29
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? YES!, posted by sastamour on June 14, 2005, at 15:56:10
I had to stop taking effexor xr because of that. It did'nt go away for me and I had horrible side effects when I stopped.
Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 18:27:04
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 12:58:59
Agree with you on the sharing aspect (I should have thought of that), just that the whole topic of HPA Axis dysfunction and elevation of cortisol and interaction of elevated cortisol with anxiety and depression is off topic from this current thread that we are on and can really go on and on and on.
As far as being controversial, I don't believe that it is - other than the normal controversy that follows a "new" form of therapy.
How about I start a new thread titled "HPA Axis Dysfunction and Cortisol Problems"???
Elroy
> Hi Elroy. My computer is not letting me do what I want this morn; going to do surfing re: HPA Axis and then get back to you via babble.
>
> First thought; this is the kind of thing that should be discussed in posts here to give us all some thought provocating ideas or understandings.
>
> Second thought; respect your wish as your sharing (which I'm sure is very sincere) may be technical or controversial or IYO, and could see why rather go this route.
>
> Montel Williams spoke this a.m. about the multi-faceted way he treats his multiple sclerosis; one facet being a five(or four?) chinese herb mix. I thought 'good for you, share; because ya' know he could keep silent and not possibly spurn medical docs or experts in areas of different treatment. I hate seeing anyone suffer because they are not privy to something helpful.
>
> I've 'opened mouth and inserted foot' more than once here; partly because I'm no genius, and partly because I am 'anti-politically and anti-socially honest'. It's wise for me to always take two steps back or count to 10, but that's hard for me because I'm a bit too reactive and spontaneous!
>
> I've burned bridges, lost friends, and blown whistles. In my (sometimes lonesome) heart, I know there is some reason. That's why I am thankful for psycho-babble; can correct self before acting.
>
> Busy, feelin' okay. Tks and best wishes .. cf
Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 18:27:36
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 12:58:59
Agree with you on the sharing aspect (I should have thought of that), just that the whole topic of HPA Axis dysfunction and elevation of cortisol and interaction of elevated cortisol with anxiety and depression is off topic from this current thread that we are on and can really go on and on and on.
As far as being controversial, I don't believe that it is - other than the normal controversy that follows a "new" form of therapy.
How about I start a new thread titled "HPA Axis Dysfunction and Cortisol Problems"???
Elroy
> Hi Elroy. My computer is not letting me do what I want this morn; going to do surfing re: HPA Axis and then get back to you via babble.
>
> First thought; this is the kind of thing that should be discussed in posts here to give us all some thought provocating ideas or understandings.
>
> Second thought; respect your wish as your sharing (which I'm sure is very sincere) may be technical or controversial or IYO, and could see why rather go this route.
>
> Montel Williams spoke this a.m. about the multi-faceted way he treats his multiple sclerosis; one facet being a five(or four?) chinese herb mix. I thought 'good for you, share; because ya' know he could keep silent and not possibly spurn medical docs or experts in areas of different treatment. I hate seeing anyone suffer because they are not privy to something helpful.
>
> I've 'opened mouth and inserted foot' more than once here; partly because I'm no genius, and partly because I am 'anti-politically and anti-socially honest'. It's wise for me to always take two steps back or count to 10, but that's hard for me because I'm a bit too reactive and spontaneous!
>
> I've burned bridges, lost friends, and blown whistles. In my (sometimes lonesome) heart, I know there is some reason. That's why I am thankful for psycho-babble; can correct self before acting.
>
> Busy, feelin' okay. Tks and best wishes .. cf
Posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 21:30:39
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » corafree, posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 18:27:36
Yep, right on about the thread! I understand and it would probably go on the Psychology board I'm thinking.
If busy and can't post right away, and if I've not gotten back to you, would appreciate you pls babble me so I could follow it.
I have never clicked on my name on that page that comes up, maybe the home page. I wonder if that is something others find useful.
tks for response, cf
Posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 22:56:45
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » corafree, posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 18:27:36
> Agree with you on the sharing aspect (I should have thought of that), just that the whole topic of HPA Axis dysfunction and elevation of cortisol and interaction of elevated cortisol with anxiety and depression is off topic from this current thread that we are on and can really go on and on and on.
>
> As far as being controversial, I don't believe that it is - other than the normal controversy that follows a "new" form of therapy.
>
> How about I start a new thread titled "HPA Axis Dysfunction and Cortisol Problems"???
>
> Elroy
>
Hi Elroy,Please do that. I think there are a bunch of us here who'd follow that thread. I know I will. I'd also like to know what remedies people are using to counteract elevated cortisol but I guess that might have to be on the Alternative Board.
Marsha
Posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 23:02:40
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 21:30:39
> Yep, right on about the thread! I understand and it would probably go on the Psychology board I'm thinking.
>
> If busy and can't post right away, and if I've not gotten back to you, would appreciate you pls babble me so I could follow it.
>
> I have never clicked on my name on that page that comes up, maybe the home page. I wonder if that is something others find useful.
>
> tks for response, cf
Don't you think it should go on the meds page? It might get redirected somewhere but I think it would get the most attention there from the people who'd be most likely ot be interested.Marsha
Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:04:19
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 21:30:39
No, will post on the main site. The HPA Axis and elevated cortisol needs a pharmaceutical response to correct it, not a psychological approach.
Now EMDR is a completely separate ballgame. It is absolutely a psychological approach and is more primarily for traumas and PTSDs and specific emotional issues, those types of things...
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X> Yep, right on about the thread! I understand and it would probably go on the Psychology board I'm thinking.
>
> If busy and can't post right away, and if I've not gotten back to you, would appreciate you pls babble me so I could follow it.
>
> I have never clicked on my name on that page that comes up, maybe the home page. I wonder if that is something others find useful.
>
> tks for response, cf
Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:07:11
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 22:56:45
There are alternatiev therapy (supplements) that can be used and some of them have farily decent responses - as long as the elevated cortisol is in the mildly elevated (or especially "high normal" ranges). I will post those in one of the posting once I get the new thread going.
Will probably be a day or two as I need to get the info together just to get it started.
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> > Agree with you on the sharing aspect (I should have thought of that), just that the whole topic of HPA Axis dysfunction and elevation of cortisol and interaction of elevated cortisol with anxiety and depression is off topic from this current thread that we are on and can really go on and on and on.
> >
> > As far as being controversial, I don't believe that it is - other than the normal controversy that follows a "new" form of therapy.
> >
> > How about I start a new thread titled "HPA Axis Dysfunction and Cortisol Problems"???
> >
> > Elroy
> >
>
>
> Hi Elroy,
>
> Please do that. I think there are a bunch of us here who'd follow that thread. I know I will. I'd also like to know what remedies people are using to counteract elevated cortisol but I guess that might have to be on the Alternative Board.
>
> Marsha
>
>
Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:24:23
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy, posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 23:02:40
See my other post... i definitely plan on putting it on the Meds page as it definitely deals with Meds (and psychology only in the indirect sense of explaining how the HPA Axis becomes dysfunctional).
Elroy
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X> > Yep, right on about the thread! I understand and it would probably go on the Psychology board I'm thinking.
> >
> > If busy and can't post right away, and if I've not gotten back to you, would appreciate you pls babble me so I could follow it.
> >
> > I have never clicked on my name on that page that comes up, maybe the home page. I wonder if that is something others find useful.
> >
> > tks for response, cf
>
>
> Don't you think it should go on the meds page? It might get redirected somewhere but I think it would get the most attention there from the people who'd be most likely ot be interested.
>
> Marsha
>
Posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » 4WD, posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:24:23
Hi Thursday from 'allergy USA'. I wake every morning w/ puffy swelling around my eyes. Was out late grocery shopping as is so HOT here and have no AC in car. Can you become addicted to these nasal sprays - I'm thinking, IMHO, yes. Tried loratidine w/ and w/o D, then Zyrtec; no help! Thinking maybe ask for something a person w/ asthma would be prescribed. Had air ducts cleaned; I smoke in house but always have windows cracked. Lady above me (condo) had a flood few mos past (Wonder did she repair properly?). I'm breathing in something that isn't good!
I'm just sort of sharing my morning here .. not asking for response, unless someone happens to know something about allergies and has time; I've NEVER had an allergy to anything before!
Elroy -
I don't see Medications listed as a board under Psycho-Babble?
When you say main board; I take it you mean Social.
Best Wishes, cf
Posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 15:24:26
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
Yes, I am following up my own post.
I did an advanced Yahoo search requiring all the words, .. HPA Axis Anti-Cortisol allergy.
I was shocked at all the results that came up, especially because I had added the word, allergy!
Thing is, both allergic symptoms, craving of sugary/salty foods had same time of onset; when began mood stabilizing meds.
Developing shortly thereafter was/is approx. two inch pinch of fat at waistline.
p.s. Am looking into essential oil or blend to use in burner for inhaling .. maybe peppermint, eucalyptus .. still reading.
Best wishes, cf
Posted by Elroy on June 16, 2005, at 19:24:44
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
Right, main board as in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/
> Hi Thursday from 'allergy USA'. I wake every morning w/ puffy swelling around my eyes. Was out late grocery shopping as is so HOT here and have no AC in car. Can you become addicted to these nasal sprays - I'm thinking, IMHO, yes. Tried loratidine w/ and w/o D, then Zyrtec; no help! Thinking maybe ask for something a person w/ asthma would be prescribed. Had air ducts cleaned; I smoke in house but always have windows cracked. Lady above me (condo) had a flood few mos past (Wonder did she repair properly?). I'm breathing in something that isn't good!
>
> I'm just sort of sharing my morning here .. not asking for response, unless someone happens to know something about allergies and has time; I've NEVER had an allergy to anything before!
>
> Elroy -
>
> I don't see Medications listed as a board under Psycho-Babble?
>
> When you say main board; I take it you mean Social.
>
> Best Wishes, cf
Posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 22:58:08
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
> Hi Thursday from 'allergy USA'. I wake every morning w/ puffy swelling around my eyes. Was out late grocery shopping as is so HOT here and have no AC in car. Can you become addicted to these nasal sprays - I'm thinking, IMHO, yes. Tried loratidine w/ and w/o D, then Zyrtec; no help! Thinking maybe ask for something a person w/ asthma would be prescribed. Had air ducts cleaned; I smoke in house but always have windows cracked. Lady above me (condo) had a flood few mos past (Wonder did she repair properly?). I'm breathing in something that isn't good!
>
> I'm just sort of sharing my morning here .. not asking for response, unless someone happens to know something about allergies and has time; I've NEVER had an allergy to anything before!
>
> Elroy -
>
> I don't see Medications listed as a board under Psycho-Babble?
>
> When you say main board; I take it you mean Social.
>
> Best Wishes, cf
You can definitely get addicted to the nasal sprays. You get rebound congestion that can take days or even weeks to go away.Could be mold in the ceilings. Can your landlord check?
By main board I was meaning the psychobabble board where everybody posts qxs about meds.
Marsha
Posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 23:00:23
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 15:24:26
> Yes, I am following up my own post.
>
> I did an advanced Yahoo search requiring all the words, .. HPA Axis Anti-Cortisol allergy.
>
> I was shocked at all the results that came up, especially because I had added the word, allergy!
>
> Thing is, both allergic symptoms, craving of sugary/salty foods had same time of onset; when began mood stabilizing meds.
>
> Developing shortly thereafter was/is approx. two inch pinch of fat at waistline.
>
> p.s. Am looking into essential oil or blend to use in burner for inhaling .. maybe peppermint, eucalyptus .. still reading.
>
> Best wishes, cfWhich mood stabilizing med? I know a lot of the tricyclics caused me nasal congestion so I would guess others could too.
Marsha
Posted by Church Sec on June 17, 2005, at 8:19:19
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
My dr prescribed Effexor for my hot flashes and night sweats (menopausal). I was weaned from HRT last year and the aforementioned have gotten steadily worse in that time. I started the 37.5 mg four days ago. I have three more of them, then go to 75 mg. I've been tired a lot and a bit lethargic, but accept that as "this too shall pass". I am also taking 50mg Tramadol 2x a day for back pain and .5 mg of Clonapin at night for leg cramps. The Clonapin helps me sleep. I wonder if the Tramadol interacts with the big 'E'.
A bit of an appetite loss, but I will embrace that! I'm 58 years old. Must admit some of the postings have scared me. (Oh, I was taking St. John's Wort for mild depression, and I've quit that when I began the Effexor.) Any comments?
Posted by corafree on June 17, 2005, at 9:04:40
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy, posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 23:00:23
Hi Marsha. Tks for the interesting info.
I am on Seroquel h.s. (hour of sleep) and Trileptal 9a and 6p.
This has really got me thinking, and that’s not good for nurse, PCP, P, and maybe even pharmacist, as not one of them connected the dots here. These trade-offs are so frustrating!
I’d cut the Seroquel to 25 mg h.s. and Trileptal to 150 morn and 150 eve, as was very uncomfortably bloated (It looked like I was pregnant!) even w/o eating the craved junk food. Was not sure which drug was worst culprit; someone suggested maybe Seroquel.
These are not tricyclics (as I know), but I’ve been around the psych drug arena long enough to know it is no coincidence that I am having similar side effects.
I had scanned the side effects of Seroquel and Trileptal, and saw visual disturbances (Thought maybe would eventually have to get a new eye prescription.), but never imagined the side effect of allergy symptoms. I’ve been on every AD that’s out there in the past and have never had this side effect.
Traded my appearance for emotional stability; not sure why I should be willing to sacrifice, what is a big part of my self-esteem. Oh, and I’m becoming addicted to nose sprays to boot, and yes, feel the rebound.
That image of the girl on Willy Wonka that turned into the blueberry still haunting me!
best wishes, cf
> > Yes, I am following up my own post.
> >
> > I did an advanced Yahoo search requiring all the words, .. HPA Axis Anti-Cortisol allergy.
> >
> > I was shocked at all the results that came up, especially because I had added the word, allergy!
> >
> > Thing is, both allergic symptoms, craving of sugary/salty foods had same time of onset; when began mood stabilizing meds.
> >
> > Developing shortly thereafter was/is approx. two inch pinch of fat at waistline.
> >
> > p.s. Am looking into essential oil or blend to use in burner for inhaling .. maybe peppermint, eucalyptus .. still reading.
> >
> > Best wishes, cf
>
> Which mood stabilizing med? I know a lot of the tricyclics caused me nasal congestion so I would guess others could too.
>
> Marsha
>
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