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Posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 13:11:43
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 6, 2005, at 12:59:23
Hi J,
Jeroen, I'm so sorry you are feeling so bad. I would fly over to Belgium to come and see you if I could.
You mustn't give up on Seroquel so quickly. You said: 'i have taken seroquel and by suprise i feel almost myself again i even took a low dose.'
Don't give up on Seroquel, I still think it could help you.
Lol, you are my psycho-babble brother! Hang in there.
All the best,
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on March 6, 2005, at 14:00:32
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 13:11:43
yea but correct, i should try clozaril first, because it has the potential to reverse tardive dyskinesia, im not sure it will do this, if not ill find a treatment and start seroquel. if that fails i will terminate my life. sorry
zyprexa 10 mg i already tryed and i was almost blind, why did it become worse, any theorys?
i wish i never tryed abilify, and geodon those are worst medicines i have ever taken,seroquel is the only medicine where i feel back myself with it. but i think i got a psychotic attack from it
Posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 15:19:23
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 6, 2005, at 14:00:32
Hi J,
When will you be going to the hospital? When will you next see a psychiatrist?
>zyprexa 10 mg i already tryed and i was almost blind, why did it become worse, any theorys?
Perhaps it's because olanzapine has a higher ratio of D2 to 5-HT2 antagonism.>but i think i got a psychotic attack from it
Please tell me what happened. What symptoms did you have? When did this happen?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on March 6, 2005, at 15:40:16
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 15:19:23
i felt like everybody had something against me, high anxiety, ill be seeing a psychiatrist in the morning
Posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 15:58:58
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 6, 2005, at 15:40:16
Hi J,
>ill be seeing a psychiatrist in the morning
Good luck! Send a message from the hospital if you're admitted to start Leponex.
>i felt like everybody had something against me, high anxiety
This may have occured because the Seroquel was wearing off. If you take Seroquel in future, you should try taking it twice daily to keep a constant level in your body.
Ed.
Posted by Phillipa on March 6, 2005, at 16:31:32
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 15:58:58
Good luck at the psychiatrists. Keep us Posted, okay? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 4:44:49
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 15:58:58
I AM SHOUTING TO myself, i want to kill myself
i really want to do itmy eyes feel so weird
Posted by ed_uk on March 7, 2005, at 5:24:23
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 4:44:49
Hi J,
It's time for you to go to the hospital. You are suicidal and need to be treated in a safe place. Please take my advice and go. Send me a message from the hospital, don't be frightened. In hospital you could start Leponex, or maybe try Seroquel again. Best of luck.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 12:25:11
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by ed_uk on March 7, 2005, at 5:24:23
i feel almost normal on this dose 75 mg seroquel
not even, risperdal, zyprexa, abilif, geodon gave me a normal feeling
only seroquelany theorys?? im very confused
Posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 13:54:25
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by ed_uk on March 7, 2005, at 5:24:23
im ok now, i am bit suicidal but i am planning to try the seroquel a good try, i feel almost normal and i only took 75 mg but not long enough because of the psychotic anxiety
if this fails i will terminate my life
Posted by just so sad on March 7, 2005, at 14:02:23
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 13:54:25
Posted by alexandra_k on March 7, 2005, at 15:17:02
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 13:54:25
I am sorry that you are feeling so bad.
It sounds like you need to get your medication sorted.
I know that at times it really doesn't feel like anything will ever change...
But it always does.
All it takes is a bit of time.
If you are thinking about ending your life then you need to get to be in a safe place until the feeling has started to pass and you rediscover hope.Please contact someone IRL.
Tell someone how you feel (if there is someone suitable) they could help you talk to
Your doctor
Your therapist
The ER
Crisis services
You could contact them yourself
You could send an email to the Samaritans.
There are lots of things you could do.
Posted by Phillipa on March 7, 2005, at 16:40:20
In reply to DO NOT TERMINATE YOUR LIFE! CALL 9-1-1 PLEASE!!! (nm) » Jeroen, posted by just so sad on March 7, 2005, at 14:02:23
Jeroen, See, the seroquel is helping. Listen to Ed please, he is your friend. He has good, sound advise. Let us know how you are doing and continue the seroquel, it is helping. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on March 8, 2005, at 5:25:38
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 13:54:25
Hi J,
>i feel almost normal on this dose 75 mg seroquel
I'm glad you're going to try Seroquel again, it seemed to help you.
>i only took 75 mg but not long enough because of the psychotic anxiety
I think you need to take it twice daily, a small dose in the morning and a larger dose in the evening. This should help keep your anxiety under control. You could take 25mg tonight and gradually increase back up to 75mg over the next few days.
All the best,
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on March 8, 2005, at 14:50:06
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by ed_uk on March 8, 2005, at 5:25:38
man, it cures me 100% this drug seroquel, but i get psychotic on it... this isnt normal anymore
Posted by Phillipa on March 8, 2005, at 16:42:00
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 8, 2005, at 14:50:06
Jeroen, you can't take a drug once, up the dose, down the dose, not take the dose, and expect to see a response. You must be consistent. Do as Ed has instructed you to do until you see your pdoc. As you have said it does help you. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by SLS on March 8, 2005, at 23:37:41
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 7, 2005, at 13:54:25
> im ok now, i am bit suicidal but i am planning to try the seroquel a good try, i feel almost normal and i only took 75 mg but not long enough because of the psychotic anxiety
>
> if this fails i will terminate my life
Terminating now is illogical. You have now established that a biological intervention has produced a significant positive effect. There are yet are many drugs and a virtual limitless number of combinations left for you to try.Sorry, but it is too late for you terminate. You have already proved that you are treatable.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by SLS on March 8, 2005, at 23:49:49
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 8, 2005, at 14:50:06
> man, it cures me 100% this drug seroquel, but i get psychotic on it... this isnt normal anymore
I believe that the word "psychotic" is often used inappropriately. Let's get down to the bottom line and answer a few questions. Try not to use labels or diagnostic terms when answering them. Be as detailed as possible. The more objective your observations are, the better one can make recommendations as to what treaments are candidates to treat your condition.
What are you experiencing?What are you thinking about?
How long have you been experiencing these things?
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 5:07:37
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself » Jeroen, posted by SLS on March 8, 2005, at 23:49:49
i experience, i dont feel myself on the street when people are passing by
7 years now
the only medicine i start feeling like myelf is seroquel, i even took it by accident
but 22 days on it, i feel high on it, when i was worrying about stuff in the hospital i almost got a psychotic anxiety attacki, i was scared of everything and coudnt control it
Posted by SLS on March 9, 2005, at 6:41:45
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 5:07:37
Hi.
> i experience, i dont feel myself on the street when people are passing by
It is possible that you are experiencing what is known as depersonalization and perhaps derealization.
1. Do you ever get the feeling like nothing around you is real?
2. Do you feel like you are watching yourself as if you were above yourself looking down?
These things are the result of severe chronic anxiety and probably coupled with depression. As unreal as things can seem, this is not psychosis.
> 7 years now
That is a horrendous amount of time to suffer such a painful and disorienting state. If it were me, I know that I would have considered many times that self-terminating would be a very rational thing to do. You should be commended for persevering as long as you have.
> the only medicine i start feeling like myelf is seroquel, i even took it by accident.
Things happen that way quite often with these illnesses and medications. I am greatly relieved to hear that you should have had such an accident. You deserved a lucky break for a change.
> but 22 days on it, i feel high on it, when i was worrying about stuff in the hospital i almost got a psychotic anxiety attacki, i was scared of everything and coudnt control itI think you might feel better from:
1. Increase the dosage of Seroquel.
2. Adding a drug like Klonopin. I might be wrong in my choice, but it sounds like adding one more drug should take care of any residual anxiety.
3. Switching to Zyprexa.
4. Psychotherapy. Even if your condition is 100% biological, it will have distorted your thinking for so long, that your psyche has been affected negatively. You must have a hell of a mess to clean up. Deciding to seek psychotherapy is a sign of strength and self-improvement rather than weakness.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk on March 9, 2005, at 9:36:09
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 5:07:37
>i almost got a psychotic anxiety attacki, i was scared of everything and coudnt control it
Have you had similar anxiety attacks before, when you weren't taking Seroquel?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 9:47:31
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself » Jeroen, posted by SLS on March 9, 2005, at 6:41:45
i think its schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder, it started at age 14 years old, ive been untreated with no help for like 5 years then at age 20 i started geodon 20 mg for a period of 3 weeks, it gave me tardive dyskinesia, uncontrolled eye movement and blinking
im 6 months of the dog po*p (sorry bob) and still have it, bitt less but it still bothering me a lot
ive read 50% who take GEODON get tardive dyskinesia, even after taking is several weeks
i fel in love with a girl, right when i got this TD she wanted to make love with her, at that time i coudnt keep my eyes open
and i had to decline her request, because in this condition i dont want to make love with anyone!!!i felt really good at the age of 14 years old i went out a lot in weekends, had very much fun with friend, then it suddenly happened, i felt watched, was scared to go out, the fun was GONE!
things in school went from good to evil, worse and very bad
i could have a kick *ss youth but no, something bad happened to me, i almost got an answer to my problem, then this TD happened to me and destroyed my social life..
its the second time my luck is destroyed, first my youth, because i could have gone out a lot and had a lucky happy life, normal life
now age 20 everything was ok i started geodon and now another happyness with this girl has been destroyed..
as you can see, i have reasons to kill myself, i am even affraid to tell my doctor i got sick at the age of 14 years old, now that im 20 my future has been detroyed aswell by taking geodon
she like me and we could have had a nice relationship for a while
i dont want to kill myself yet... im considering going to hospital and try clozaril but my doc said yesterday, that this medicine has too much negative things and hes not behind it..but what if my TD gets reversed? what are my odds?
i really do beleive my odds are 0% to get better because what is happening to me MUST be a test from god or i must have done something wrong!
Posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 10:02:36
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 9:47:31
no never had such attacks before, its the seroquel im sure of that
i felt really bad on Abilify, geodon (of course what a surprise), Risperdal (felt like a bag of sh*t lying forgotten in the sea, felt drugged) but 20 times less the the geodon i took.as you can see my happyness is been blocked and desroyed again.
life is not easy but cmon what if all the good part has been taken intentionally????
Posted by ed_uk on March 9, 2005, at 10:09:03
In reply to Re: Jeroen, don't hurt yourself, posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 9:47:31
Hi Jeroen :-)
Please will you describe the panic attack that you had a few days ago? I keep asking you but you always ignore me.
>i really do beleive my odds are 0% to get better
I think there is a good chance that you will get better, but you will have to give each treatment a fair trial. You have said that you felt better on Seroquel, why don't you try it again?
>what is happening to me MUST be a test from god or i must have done something wrong!
I certainly don't think you've done anything wrong. I don't believe in God so I won't comment on that.
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on March 9, 2005, at 10:37:26
In reply to To ED UK, posted by Jeroen on March 9, 2005, at 10:02:36
Hey J!
>no never had such attacks before, its the seroquel im sure of that
I think it might have been because you were taking it once daily rather than twice daily. You could have had a 'panic attack' when the drug was wearing off, it could have been a withdrawal symptom.
What time of day did you have the attack?
How do you feel about trying Seroquel again but taking it twice daily? - probably a small dose in the morning and a larger dose in the evening.
Ed.
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