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Posted by Stressee on October 19, 2004, at 13:26:17
In reply to Re:laundry and fish, posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 10:15:11
What are the symptoms of Bipolar II? Remember, muscle weighs more than fat, and carbs do put fat on some people. Most people, in fact. I know they do me and my daughter. My husband lost weight on Atkins and swears by it. I pust a post on the Physcology board and am wondering if I need some sort of a mood stabilizer, because I am so physco up and down on a daily basis. -L
Posted by iris2 on October 19, 2004, at 13:50:53
In reply to Re:dogs and Prozac » Stressee, posted by headachequeen on October 18, 2004, at 13:59:15
Just a thought. I was looking at VNS (Vagus Nerve Stimulation) for depression. You might want to take a look at this for seizures when you find out what is causing them.
irene
Posted by iris2 on October 19, 2004, at 14:13:29
In reply to Re:laundry and fish » rainy, posted by headachequeen on October 18, 2004, at 14:28:41
This is Iris or Irene. I was the one that posted that I cannot read. Unless someone else did also.If the question was directed to me about what I meant by I cannot read it is because I cannot concentrate and focus on the material. If I read something I have trouble remembering it and so if I try to read a book I cannot remember enough of what I just read or read a day ago to continue reading it and have an understanding of what I am reading. I just do not concentrate because of my depression. I think part of the problem now is also fear that I will not be able to concentrate.
Who was it that has the years of anorexia and bulimia? I ask because I have had both. Bulimia for about 30 years.
I am lethargic all the time. I take ritalin and it helps some. I do not even get out of bed if I do not take the Ritalin. I tried Provigil but it made me so very nervous.
I have trouble doing anything. Laundry and the like only gets done when absolutely necessary and even then sometimes not. I have not vacuumed
my home in at least a month and I have a dog that sheds constantly. Then again I also have a difficult time doing anything that I might enjoy doing, something even that does not take much physical effort. I am thinking of trying Strattera for this instead of the Ritaliin.The weight thing is huge with me as I have had this eating disorder since I was 15 (now 45). My mother was alsays kind of obsessed with weight and body image. That is why I worry about you stresse and your daughter. You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders though. At first you talked so much about your daughters weight and not much about her mood problems or even the binge eating that I worried there was an over emphasis on the body image suff which would not be good for her.
There are several boards for epileptics if you are interested. Just Google it. There is a board about VNS if anyone is interested.
irene
Posted by iris2 on October 19, 2004, at 14:29:41
In reply to Re:laundry and fish » headachequeen, posted by rainy on October 18, 2004, at 20:34:51
Curious how we are alike. Perhaps it makes me feel not so alone:)
Current Meds:
Ritalin sr 20 to 100mg as needed
Oxyxontin about 40mg a day or more as needed for pain or depression
Klonopin .5mg to 1mg as needed- I almsot never take it
Perphenazine 2 to 4mg as needed- I almost never take it
Valium- 5 to 10mg as needed- take sometimes usually for physical complaints - I use it for my bladder spasms and my neck muscle spasms
Amisupride- about 50mg day started takeing about two months ago
I am still very depressed and cannot work and do not fuction much. I am looking into trying Mirapex, Strattera and Cumbalta.
Irene
Posted by iris2 on October 19, 2004, at 14:38:36
In reply to Re:laundry and fish, posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 10:15:11
Do you have enough Topomax now that you increased the dose without your doc so that you will not run out? I figure you already thought of that but i just wanted to make sure. I would not want you to run out. I have lied to doctors in the past after increasing dosages and told them I lost the meds to get more.
irene
Posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 15:31:25
In reply to Re:laundry and fish » rainy, posted by iris2 on October 19, 2004, at 14:29:41
Irene,why would you take Strattera for depression? Are you ADHD? I have read that when one has been on a stimulant drug that the brain has already been wired for a stimulant and therefore the Straterra is useless. We found that out the hard way with our son. We might have well been giving him water for his ADHD. It was so useless. We tried it in conjunction with adderall with Dr's advice but that really defeats the purpose of taking a non stimulant. He takes Concerta now, which is a long lasting Ritalin. Why do you have pain? Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to a good chiropractor? They can do wonders for things that Dr's and drugs cannot touch!! I found that out with my back and my neck. And since your spine and neck control so many of your other body functions, including bladder and kidney function, you may just want to try to find a good recommended chiropractor. Most insurance companies will pay for them now. Just a thought. L..Some symptoms of bipolar II are, but not limited to, extreme irritability, excessive talkativeness (foot in mouth syndrome), I find that I have had that problem. It's like I couldn't stop talking. It was a compulsion. Even though I knew I might be getting on people's nerves, I was SOOO wired and hyper because I was around other people, I couldn't stop talking. Bipolar II isn't like manic depression, which is bipolar I. You don't have feelings of grandeur, where you feel indestrucible. I have, however, gone out and spent money I don't really have, although it hasn't been excessive like one would do in bipolar I. Not hundreds of dollars at a time or staying gone for days at a time and not sleeping. Depression has hit me REALLY hard at times though. Suicidal, worthlessness. Not wanting to get out of bed, but I had to make myself because I have two kids. Anger. I get really angry when I am depressed. I become violent to myself. I used to be a "cutter". I was never that bad compared to some people though. I get irrational and I am prone to anxiety attacks. Those are just a few examples. I guess individual people react in different ways but similarly. Bipolar II is more depression than "hypomania". It's not a full blown mania like in bipolar I. That is why is takes us so long to be diagnosed. Why do you go to the Dr because you feel so good? Go to some websites online and take some tests. There are plenty out there that can give you an idea. No, I don't have to lie to my Dr about it. I have refills on my meds. I just go and refill it when I need it. When I need a new refill from my Dr I just call them and tell them I need them to call the pharmacy. Hope this helps!
Posted by rainy on October 19, 2004, at 16:35:12
In reply to Topomax and bipolar II, posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 15:31:25
Bridgey, may I add a different interpretation to foot in mouth disease? Mine is the kind that comes with loss of judgement. Like in what might be called a confirmation class (13 fourteen year olds, all of us Unitarian Universalists, if that means anything--very liberal). I used the term "poop-head" to illustrate what not to call some one in a put down. (Sorry, Dr. Bob.) I further allowed myself to be suckered into a two minute discussion of a sex act before I stopped it (I used to be a medical social worker in a family planning clinic)and further, told five of the worst behaving students that I wanted them to shut up. All of this while my husband, the minister, had left me alone while he went to get pizzas because the parent who was supposed to bring them didn't.
I lost my so called clear thinking when he left me alone with the hungry, already unruly kids. I simply could not restore order. I blame the almost immediate return to adolescence on my part on the Topamax, as well as my personality.
Would it have happened if I hadn't been on meds? Would I have obsessed about it for two weeks if I weren't "stabilized" in the depressed stage of bipolar II?
I say things that are inappropriate and don't even realize I've done so until later, although I realized these guys right away. That's a little different than the runaway talking that Bridgey writes about. Maybe they're both a function of the disorder and have nothing to do with the medication?
linda
Posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 17:18:18
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by rainy on October 19, 2004, at 16:35:12
Topomax should actually HELP control those...not CAUSE those. I have never heard of it causing those symptoms. If it does, then it's not the drug for you. There are so many others out there for bipolar II. That doesn't sound like stablization. That sounds like meds not working at all. That's just a classic example of bipolar II, flat out, without medication. I don't think it was the Topomax, I just don't think it was working for you.
Posted by iris2 on October 19, 2004, at 17:33:28
In reply to Topomax and bipolar II, posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 15:31:25
I get bladder pain from a disease I have called interstitial cystitis. It does sound an awful lot like me this BP2. I never heard about it. I talk constantly but I thought most of it was from the ritalin. Not always sure. I have all the symptoms you describe. I thought about the Strattera to take instead of the ritalin for symptoms of depression that are like ADD. Consentration and fatigue. The same reasons I take the Ritalin. I also already see achiropractor every week for my neck. It has startd to help. Thanks for the information.
Irene
Posted by rainy on October 19, 2004, at 20:07:36
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 17:18:18
Yow. I felt awful on lamictal, plus my hair came out in handfuls. What else is there?
I think I've mentioned that Topamax is useful in keeping an old, old eating disorder at bay, so I'm unwilling to go off even if it messes with my mind--I think. I'm tired of fighting.
linda
Posted by merry on October 19, 2004, at 20:23:38
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by bridgey1128 on October 19, 2004, at 17:18:18
I have bipolar II with rapid cycling and I understand about the talking too fast and inappropriate subjects that jump out of my mouth and the angry outburst and (insatiable sex drive). My ex-husband used to call it the jeckel and hyde syndrome, because the other me is so quiet and sweet,hee hee. Topomax seems to be keeping me calmer these days. I was on 200mg for a long while and then I had a rare manic phase. I usually am mostly depressed and sometimes alittle hypo but rarely manic. (It was kind of fun, but scary too) so my pdoc is increasing my topomax to 400mg. I'm a little nervous about going so high on the dose.
Posted by merry on October 19, 2004, at 20:38:11
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II » bridgey1128, posted by rainy on October 19, 2004, at 20:07:36
I'm sorry I just came in here, I'm new and my name is merry. My pdoc has increased my dose of topomax. I was on 200mg. 100mg morn. 100mg nite. Now he wants me to go to 400mg. Starting 150 morn 150 nite 2wks then 200 morn and 200 nite after that. I started on Fri. and I am sick as a dog. I can't eat. Everything smells bad. I feel anxiety, I can't sleep, I have vivid dreams almost nightmares, I get hotflashes...(Maybe I'm old enough for those now, 36yrs?) I don't know. I feel confused and irritable. HOw long is all this supposed to last? I don't remember feeling this way the first time I started taking topomax. My pdoc isn't very helpful and I am looking for a new one so I hope that maybe someone can give me some advice. thanx. merry
Posted by Stressee on October 20, 2004, at 7:59:59
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by merry on October 19, 2004, at 20:38:11
If you or anyone can remember, how did you feel on 200 mg per day? M is taking it, and is on 75mg am and 50 pm until later then she goes up 25mg in the pm. I did it backwards, I know!! She says she has had ringing in her ears for around 24 hrs. Is that normal? No other side-effects except the tingling. No decrease in appetite, but I think it is starting to help the binging. She says it is, but who know with a 16 yr. old. I can tell you I'm like a Jykle and Hyde, and I don't have Bipolar II that I know of. I am going to ask to be switched off my wellbutrin, because I don't think it works all that well. As for eating, everyone, it seems lately that if I see it, I'm going to eat it. I started trying to eat "healthfully" yesterday, and I hate it. UG!!! I work at a fitness center and I came to the conclusion that I should practice what I preach. Right? Keep telling me that PLEASE. -L
Posted by bridgey1128 on October 20, 2004, at 8:55:38
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II » bridgey1128, posted by iris2 on October 19, 2004, at 17:33:28
Merry, that is a pretty name, btw, you are having the problems you are having due to the stupidity of your Dr. You should NEVER EVER EVER go up on Topomax that quickly!!!! EVER!! It should ONLY be gone up in SMALL 25mg increments every 2-3 weeks and you should ONLY go up to the next dosage after YOU and ONLY you feel that the side effects have worn off. Everything you have said, the anxiety, sweating, etc..this is NOT good and not something that should be a normal side effect if a Dr knew what he was doing and you were going up slowly on the drug. Tingling, and the bad taste I have heard a lot but the anxiety is a bad one. Loss of eyesight is another one that I had. Dr's DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING! Trust your own body, and your body is saying...STOP STOP STOP!!!! BACK OFF!!! The vivid dreams? I had hallucinations! But mine was because I needed to go UP on my meds and I hadn't for 2 months. I am telling you, DON'T listen to your Dr. INSIST that he let you go by what your body is saying. This is a fairly new drug and Dr's HATE to admit they don't know everything. We only give advice based on all our experiences combined and that experience is....GO UP VERY SLOWLY. MErry, do yourself a favor, and stay at the dosage where you are until you feel these side effects dissapate. You may even want to back off the dosage to the next down. He wrecklessly upped you full steam ahead and I can't stand that! It's like some Dr's have no clue about the side effects, or don't care. 400mg isn't too much. I have been doing well at 150mg for about 2 months and then suddenly I started breaking into my hypomania again. Extreme irritability and all.. I knew it was time to go up again. So once again, it's time to go up. And I will go up in 25mg increments. You always start with the highest dose in the evenings. That is also why you feel crappy.
Largest dose in the evening and the smallest in the morning. When the dosage evens out, like 100mg night and 100mg morning, when you have to up it again, you start adding to the night time dosage, because it can make you nauseous taking a higher amount in the morning. I hope this has been helpful and please stay with us! We always enjoy new people!
Posted by rainy on October 20, 2004, at 16:06:49
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by Stressee on October 20, 2004, at 7:59:59
> If you or anyone can remember, how did you feel on 200 mg per day? M is taking it, and is on 75mg am and 50 pm until later then she goes up 25mg in the pm. I did it backwards, I know!! She says she has had ringing in her ears for around 24 hrs. Is that normal? No other side-effects except the tingling. No decrease in appetite, but I think it is starting to help the binging. She says it is, but who know with a 16 yr. old. I can tell you I'm like a Jykle and Hyde, and I don't have Bipolar II that I know of. I am going to ask to be switched off my wellbutrin, because I don't think it works all that well. As for eating, everyone, it seems lately that if I see it, I'm going to eat it. I started trying to eat "healthfully" yesterday, and I hate it. UG!!! I work at a fitness center and I came to the conclusion that I should practice what I preach. Right? Keep telling me that PLEASE. -L
i felt crabby, and every time I went up 25 mgs I felt crabbier. There was a whole lot of other stuff going on in my life though, like moving and not liking our new house or the swampy weather. But I have noticed that with each titration up there's a period of irritability.
linda
Posted by bridgey1128 on October 21, 2004, at 8:41:15
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II » Stressee, posted by rainy on October 20, 2004, at 16:06:49
rainy what are you taking it for?
Posted by rainy on October 21, 2004, at 9:10:06
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by bridgey1128 on October 21, 2004, at 8:41:15
Bipolar II, although the pdoc who originally prescribed it was treating me for major depressive disorder. It's been a pretty decent mood stabilizer, better than lamictal, for me. I've gotten stuck in a depression since I had to stop serzone, go back on wellbutrin (and now off again) and start 200 mgs desreyl.
I just seem to be making more frequent trips into the Land of Tactless lately and am wondering if the topamax is messing with my judgement.
rainy
Posted by bridgey1128 on October 21, 2004, at 10:21:21
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II » bridgey1128, posted by rainy on October 21, 2004, at 9:10:06
People who have bipolar shouldn't take antidepressants and Welbutrin is one of them. I am assuming it might be the Welbutrin that is messing you up. How long have you taken it? Topomax shouldn't CAUSE irritability, it should help relieve it, especially since you are bipolar II and that is a symptom of it. I find that very confusing that it would cause something it is supposed to be relieving. Unfortunately, being bipolar, we don't have too many drugs that aren't straight antidepressants that we can take compared to the tons of antidepresants out there. Welbutrin made me BONKERS!!!! It did the same thing to me. I can't take antidepressants because they just don't work. I would be more likely to suspect the Welbutrin than I would the Topomax. Also, how slowly are you going up on the Topomax? If you are going up too fast, that can cause some wacky side effects. Going up any faster than 25mg every 2-3 weeks will do it. That could be a cause too.
Posted by iris2 on October 21, 2004, at 10:32:34
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by rainy on October 19, 2004, at 16:35:12
> Bridgey, may I add a different interpretation to foot in mouth disease? Mine is the kind that comes with loss of judgment. Like in what might be called a confirmation class (13 fourteen year olds, all of us Unitarian Universalists, if that means anything--very liberal). I used the term "poop-head" to illustrate what not to call some one in a put down. (Sorry, Dr. Bob.) I further allowed myself to be suckered into a two minute discussion of a sex act before I stopped it (I used to be a medical social worker in a family planning clinic)and further, told five of the worst behaving students that I wanted them to shut up. All of this while my husband, the minister, had left me alone while he went to get pizzas because the parent who was supposed to bring them didn't.
> I lost my so called clear thinking when he left me alone with the hungry, already unruly kids. I simply could not restore order. I blame the almost immediate return to adolescence on my part on the Topamax, as well as my personality.
> Would it have happened if I hadn't been on meds? Would I have obsessed about it for two weeks if I weren't "stabilized" in the depressed stage of bipolar II?
> I say things that are inappropriate and don't even realize I've done so until later, although I realized these guys right away. That's a little different than the runaway talking that Bridgey writes about. Maybe they're both a function of the disorder and have nothing to do with the medication?
> linda
>
>
> Some symptoms of bipolar II are, but not limited to, extreme irritability, excessive talkativeness (foot in mouth syndrome), I find that I have had that problem. It's like I couldn't stop talking. It was a compulsion. Even though I knew I might be getting on people's nerves, I was SOOO wired and hyper because I was around other people, I couldn't stop talking. Bipolar II isn't like manic depression, which is bipolar I. You don't have feelings of grandeur, where you feel indestrucible. I have, however, gone out and spent money I don't really have, although it hasn't been excessive like one would do in bipolar I. Not hundreds of dollars at a time or staying gone for days at a time and not sleeping. Depression has hit me REALLY hard at times though. Suicidal, worthlessness. Not wanting to get out of bed, but I had to make myself because I have two kids. Anger. I get really angry when I am depressed. I become violent to myself. I used to be a "cutter". I was never that bad compared to some people though. I get irrational and I am prone to anxiety attacks. Those are just a few examples. I guess individual people react in different ways but similarly. Bipolar II is more depression than "hypomania". It's not a full blown mania like in bipolar I. That is why is takes us so long to be diagnosed.
A couple of nerves were hit here. First I am Unitarian Universalist and second it all kind of adds up to me being Bipolar II.I am all of the symptoms Bridgey wrote. Inappropriate speech and what I call constant "chatter". I thought the "chatter was mostly from the Ritalin which is the main reason why I wanted to find a new med, Strattera that would motivate me a little and give me energy without causing the "chatter". The inappropriate speaking I thought was from my own immaturity and so little going on in my life that I had not a lot to talk about. Since I talk so much and cannot stand silence when I am around people I thought this was it. I do not realize until later how inappropriate what I said might have been or sometimes how much I chatter although I have made great effort and strides not to chatter so much and to realize when I do so that I can stop it. I do notice that when I do not take the Ritalin I generally do not have this "chatter" problem.
So I get extremely irritable, talk excessively. I get so wired and hyper around others it IS like a compulsion and I cannot stop the talking. I lost my best friend this got so bad for a while. It is one of the reasons I stopped taking so much Ritalin. I probably felt a little better on more but know one could stand to be around me now I myself.
I recently told a couple of guys I hardly knew, on a hike, about how my mother buys my underwear as a tradition every year which might not have been so bad except I continued and told them of this very sexy underwire/lacy/garter thing she bought me when I was 17 and how I showed it to my brother and he said I would not have to wear it I could just hold it up for a guy. These people had met me one time before. They joked about it for some time and I cannot tell you how embarrassed I was. It was not in any context of any conversation either! The Ritalin might make me "chatter" more but it does not put the words in my mouth.
I get anxious and angry when I am depressed too. I used to cut or bang my head against the wall. Then for a while I threw stuff all the time and screamed at my dogs. I am getting better. I have not cut for years now or banged my hands or head. I rarely throw something but I still yell at the dogs and the thin air. The poor dogs get yelled at for nothing and one of them is afraid and hides. I feel so guilty afterwards. I never have a feeling of Grandeur or hypomania. I never have much energy at all. The only time I get some strange amount of energy is very few times when I have become so irritated and had a kind of anxiety attack about how bad the mess and clutter in my house is and I spent like an hour or two just throwing things away. I would have more energy in that hour or so and get more done than I do in months. The anxiety would keep me going and usually I cried the whole time. Then it would abruptly end and I would be all sweaty with no energy again. I do the shopping thing too. I have NO money as I am on disability but every now and again I throw caution to the wind and just go out and buy things that I generally need but have been doing without. And I buy them all in one day not just say to myself I need this one thing. I usually overdraw on my account and have to ask my family for help. I know if I had more money that I would not have near the inhibition and spend a lot more.
I am over speaking again. I can always tell when my posts are so long that I have taken my Ritalin within the last hour, which is exactly true.
Wrote all of this because after reading what the two of you wrote about Bipolar II I thought I should actually have this diagnosis. What is anyone’s opinion?
Irene
Posted by bridgey1128 on October 21, 2004, at 11:03:52
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II » rainy, posted by iris2 on October 21, 2004, at 10:32:34
First..what does being a Unitarian Universalist have to do with anything..I am confused about that one...but anyway..I hate to tell you Irene..but the angry outburst and all you said...that HONESTLY fits the bipolar II and you do NOT need to be on ritalin!!!!! WHY OH WHY are you on it? You have not explained this. If you are on it for an "upper" and you are not ADHD...it makes me wonder what purpose you would have this prescription, as this is an ADHD drug. If you are bipolar you cannot be ADHD. The two have similar symptoms but if actually NEEDED the ritalin it should not make you hyper. In fact, it seems to be putting you into a hypomanic state. The yelling and such is just that. If ritalin causes you to be hyper, you should not take it. IT"S SPEED MY DEAR!!! In people who genuinely NEED it, it should not cause you to be hyper. My son is ADHD, and because he is, his brain chemistry is wired differently. When he takes a stimulant drug, it causes him to be able to concentate, to CALM him. Of course, this can backfire, because too much of a drug like ritalin can make obsessive behaviors worse, because it can cause a child to concentrate on an obsessive behavior. If someone takes a stimulant drug who does not NEED one, it is QUITE obvious. If you are bipolar and take ritalin, it would most obivously give you the wired results you described. What you did describe is an addiction. You need to get OFF the ritalin and go to a psychiatrist and be diagnosed with the right diagnoses. I think you sound like you are definately bipolar II, NOT ADHD. Whereas, they have some similar characteristics, the fact that you are taking ritalin and it is putting you into a hypomanic state, tells me that you are NOT ADHD and, in fact, probably bipolar. If you are, being on the correct drug will help with the mood swings and energy level. I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. I am a self abuser too. I tend to hit myself in the head when I am angry and yell. I know when I need to go up on my meds too because I get frustrated and tend to throw things around as well. Things get "hidden" and "lost". Also, if you were taking too much Ritalin you wouldn't be hyper if you were ADHD, you would be sluggish and doped. The fact that you were extremely talkative when you were taking a lot of Ritalin also makes me think you shouldn't be taking it. Think about it. It's methylphenidate. It's essentially "speed". I don't know how you are getting it, or how you were prescribed it, but I think you really need to rethink taking it.
Posted by merry on October 21, 2004, at 11:34:59
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by bridgey1128 on October 21, 2004, at 10:21:21
I was wondering about the welbutrin. I feel since I've been on it I've been bonkers. Because I am bipolar II wouldn't the darn doc know not to put me on that stuff it will irritate the heck out of me. I notice since i've been on it I've been angry all the time. My anger outburst are even worse than ever. I expressed my concerns to my doc and that I suspected that It was the Wella. and he just dismissed it and told me to take more xanax whenever I felt I was going to get angry. But I never new when that was going to happen because before I knew it the damage was done and I was patching another hole in the wall or cleaning up the broken nic nacs from the floor. So anyway, I am looking for another doc. and thanks for the advice about the topomax. I decreased it down by 25mg and I am feeling alittle better now. merry
Posted by redscarlet on October 21, 2004, at 11:43:10
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by bridgey1128 on October 21, 2004, at 10:21:21
> People who have bipolar shouldn't take antidepressants and Welbutrin is one of them. I am assuming it might be the Welbutrin that is messing you up. How long have you taken it? Topomax shouldn't CAUSE irritability, it should help relieve it, especially since you are bipolar II and that is a symptom of it. I find that very confusing that it would cause something it is supposed to be relieving. Unfortunately, being bipolar, we don't have too many drugs that aren't straight antidepressants that we can take compared to the tons of antidepresants out there. Welbutrin made me BONKERS!!!! It did the same thing to me. I can't take antidepressants because they just don't work. I would be more likely to suspect the Welbutrin than I would the Topomax. Also, how slowly are you going up on the Topomax? If you are going up too fast, that can cause some wacky side effects. Going up any faster than 25mg every 2-3 weeks will do it. That could be a cause too.
***Sorry but this is just not true. Many, many people with bipolar (including myself) take antidepressants along with their mood stabilizer.
And just an F.Y.I., I'm on welbutrin & have been taking it for almost a year with no problems & I take 450mgs everyday.
Posted by Stressee on October 21, 2004, at 11:52:41
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II » rainy, posted by iris2 on October 21, 2004, at 10:32:34
Woa! I have never been diagnosed as bipolar II, but what you just wrote is exactly how I act and feel. In fact, I am having one of those days now. I called a sub for my class because I just couldn't concentrate and felt like crying every moment this morning. My daughter and I weren't getting along this morning and when I get upset, I can't handle ANYTHING. I take Wellbutrin and I now realize it's not doing anything for me. I socially withdraw myself when things are getting stressful and I don't think that's normal after reading what everyone is writing these days. I also do much innapropriate yelling at kids and animals when I am upset, and also feel guilty as heck afterwards. The guilt then eats away at me and makes me more depressed. I sometimes don't want to get up in the morning because I just don't want to have to deal with the day. What do you think? -L
Posted by Stressee on October 21, 2004, at 12:28:29
In reply to Re: Topomax and bipolar II, posted by Stressee on October 21, 2004, at 11:52:41
My mind is off somewhere else......M increased her dosage to 150 mg per day of Topamax. We did have a small one question one answer disgussion last night (that's about all I can get),and she hasn't noticed it helping the binging yet. Should we stick with this? She has ringing in her ears, as well as tingling in the feet. I think I remember someone posted that the binging usually doesn't come under control until a large dose is taken. I don't think her DR. plans on titrating up anymore. I think it has controlled her moods a little more though. -L
Posted by rainy on October 21, 2004, at 14:46:48
In reply to Re: Topomax, posted by Stressee on October 21, 2004, at 12:28:29
I went to the grocery store and things sort of went in different directions while I was gone! Let me respond first to Bridgey, I think, who reminded me that going up too fast on Topomax can cause problems. Agreed. The thing is, I've been on this dose (300) since March or maybe I've gone down from (400) which is what's making me wonder about my big fat mouth.
And, I've been on Wellbutrin with first positive results and then a gradual zilch out sinc 1991. As for the Unitarian bit, I think I mentioned it just to indicate that for me to use "poop-head" in the Coming of Age class wasn't as horrible a transgression as it might have been in a less tolerant religious community, but it was unnecessary and I apologize.
A thought for Stressee and Iris. It took me years to be diagnosed. I began having what I now know are symptoms when I was about 15, but it wasn't until I was in my 50's that I finally sought psychiatric help for depression. That's what I was treated for until two years ago last summer, when the pdoc in a new community said "You are bipolar II, have some Lamictal."
My behavior hadn't changed all that much except I was more frantic, four days after moving in, when she first saw me. Since two other shrinks had missed the diagnosis, I think it would be hard for you or friendly strangers on the board to diagnose yourselves or anybody else. I'm still trying to rediagnose myself!
I don't want to sound unsympathetic, it's just that I can't say, yeah, it sounds like you've got bipolar II when I'm still trying to figure out if I've "got it" or if it's just me coming on too strong.
Am I making sense or sounding stuffy?
I think we all speak from our own experiences.(duh) I am really appreciating hearing from you--I felt, despite knowing better, that I was hanging in there by myself. I'm still not sure what racing thoughts are. I know I can't stop thinking sometimes. Is that it?
rainy
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