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Posted by KaraS on July 7, 2004, at 23:14:08
In reply to Re: Positive Effexor withdrawal story, posted by ishy on July 7, 2004, at 20:32:08
> Yeah, I went from 37.5 to 0 on Sunday and now I understand about the brain zaps. Man, they stink! I went back up to 37.5 today. I also have nausea, a headache, and felt like I was going to cry all day. And since I am not on Effexor for depression, but fibromyalgia, I know now that some of you who have been saying that the weird emotions are always because of depression not being treated are wrong. It really is a symptom of the withdrawl for some people. For others, it may be a symptom of returning clinical depression, but it isn't necessarily so in every case.
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> I also flinched so much at work I had to explain to everyone what was wrong. Nor has my doc been any help. The other physician I had talked to has retired. I have the capsules, so I just dump of the little granules out, and will dump more and more until I am off of it.
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Sorry to hear that you're having such a hard time. Hopefully what you're doing now with opening the capsules will help. If not, please see another doctor if you still feel that you need more help - either to get Prozac or to get more Effexor so that you can go off of it more slowly.Take care,
KaraS
Posted by KaraS on July 7, 2004, at 23:17:31
In reply to Re: Positive Effexor withdrawal story » KaraS, posted by LynnPerley on July 7, 2004, at 21:58:12
> I have been experiencing some queasy feeling and some diarrhea. I have some generic Ritalin prescribed (from when my depression was really bad) and taling it helps quire a bit. If this stays the same for another day or two I will call the MD. I may be stuck on 37.5 if I don;t want to tough it out.
Also, it's interesting that the Ritalin helps. I might have been wrong when commenting earlier that Wellbutrin wouldn't help with withdrawal because it isn't a serotonergic. Wonder what the mechanism involved is?
Posted by alan38 on July 8, 2004, at 10:00:44
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last? » alan38, posted by snake on July 7, 2004, at 20:31:17
That's pretty much what I am doing. I am taking (1) claritin D every 1-1/2 days. Any word on how long this will last? I have heard anywhere from 4 weeks to 2-3 months????
Posted by alan38 on July 8, 2004, at 10:07:04
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last? » caritasrainbow, posted by Angel Girl on March 23, 2004, at 22:46:08
Did you take any OTC (benadryl or clartin)for the symptoms. I have been taking claritin for about 2 of the 3 weeks and it definitely helps with the zaps. Would you say that a 4 week timeline is average for this stuff?
Posted by annesand on July 8, 2004, at 10:17:33
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by alan38 on July 8, 2004, at 10:07:04
I was up to about four weeks of brain zaps when I asked my doc for some Prozac. Brain zaps stopped after one or two of those. It's the long half life, you know.
Posted by alan38 on July 8, 2004, at 10:28:20
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by annesand on July 8, 2004, at 10:17:33
My Pdoc does not think the withdrawal should even last this long. I don't believe he would prescribe the prozac. I will have to continue with the claritin. Hopefully/prayerfully, I will be done with this by week 5!
Posted by snake on July 8, 2004, at 10:41:45
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by alan38 on July 8, 2004, at 10:28:20
> My Pdoc does not think the withdrawal should even last this long. I don't believe he would prescribe the prozac. I will have to continue with the claritin. Hopefully/prayerfully, I will be done with this by week 5!
How long does the nausea and headaches last? this is day 21 without med. i have bee using over the counter benadryl . it's not as bad as as 1 week. seems like it's not lasting as long. help help!
Posted by lorily on July 8, 2004, at 13:21:46
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last? » alan38, posted by snake on July 8, 2004, at 10:41:45
> > My Pdoc does not think the withdrawal should even last this long. I don't believe he would prescribe the prozac. I will have to continue with the claritin. Hopefully/prayerfully, I will be done with this by week 5!
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> How long does the nausea and headaches last? this is day 21 without med. i have bee using over the counter benadryl . it's not as bad as as 1 week. seems like it's not lasting as long. help help!
EFFEXOR HAS A VERY SHORT HALF LIFE!!!!! That's why we get the severe "discontinuance syndrome" Some people start feeling "withdrawals" if they don't take their dose on time. I'm surprised at the long withdrawal symptoms. Do you take any other medications? Perhaps your agony is because of the way the effexor interacted with them. This is my experience thus far:June 1: Cut Effexor from 75 to 37.5. Had that zap thing for one day, early in the morning. Regularly take 25 mg of Trazadone at night to cover the AD part-makes me groggy in the am.
June 22: Cut Depakote from 250 to 125. No biggie, just feel a bit groggy from the Traz.
June 27: Did not take Depakote anymore. consistantly getting worse over that week I'm feeling side effects of light-headedness, a bit dizzy here and there. I figured out this starts about 1-1/2 to 2 hours after taking the effexor and wears away during the day. So, makes sense that it's side effects from taking the effexor, not NOT taking it, right? I calculated the 1/2 life on the long end so it was out of my system by fri night.
Yesterday and today, I opened up the capsule and dumped out as close to 1/2 the effexor as I could get: NO DIZZINESS, NO ZAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I feel better than I have in a while, too.
Tonight I will cut the Traz in half again. And continue with dumping 1/2 the effexor for a day or two, then lower it more. I'm doing this ever so slowly to avoid the horrors I've read about here. I'm sorry everyone is suffering so, but you all have brought me alot of help. I was almost too scared to do it, not wanting to suffer, but I do not want to be a slave to my doctor's schedule or to a medication that I no longer need. (Any pray I never will again)
I do have to say Effexor saved my life and I'm grateful I was able to get the pros and double grateful I'm eliminating the cons of it.
Posted by alan38 on July 8, 2004, at 13:58:13
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects, posted by seeknsolace on May 24, 2004, at 5:40:13
Do you still have the Zaps?
Posted by lorily on July 8, 2004, at 14:20:09
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects, posted by alan38 on July 8, 2004, at 13:58:13
> Do you still have the Zaps?
Me? None. and when I turn my head real quick, I don't feel disoriented, either.
Posted by Frisky_Cat on July 8, 2004, at 18:38:31
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by annesand on July 8, 2004, at 10:17:33
It's the short half life. It's easy to wean oneself off drugs with long half lives because that means when you reduce drug intake there remains a lot of the drug in the system and hence withdrawal symptons are manageable.
Effexor has a short half life, which is why the extended form was developed.
Posted by itsrick on July 8, 2004, at 22:00:32
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by Frisky_Cat on July 8, 2004, at 18:38:31
> It's the short half life. It's easy to wean oneself off drugs with long half lives because that means when you reduce drug intake there remains a lot of the drug in the system and hence withdrawal symptons are manageable.
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> Effexor has a short half life, which is why the extended form was developed.what is the extended form?
Posted by KaraS on July 9, 2004, at 2:38:56
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last? » alan38, posted by snake on July 8, 2004, at 10:41:45
> > My Pdoc does not think the withdrawal should even last this long. I don't believe he would prescribe the prozac. I will have to continue with the claritin. Hopefully/prayerfully, I will be done with this by week 5!
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> How long does the nausea and headaches last? this is day 21 without med. i have bee using over the counter benadryl . it's not as bad as as 1 week. seems like it's not lasting as long. help help!From reading many posts on this topic, the time it takes for withdrawal really seems to vary a lot. It probably depends on how long you took the medicine, your own genetic predisposition, the rate at which you're reducing etc.
Hang in there. I hope you feel better soon. (If not, find another doctor to help you more. You shouldn't have to suffer this much!)
Posted by KaraS on July 9, 2004, at 2:42:16
In reply to Re: Snake: How long does withdrawal last?, posted by KaraS on July 9, 2004, at 2:38:56
Posted by lorily on July 9, 2004, at 8:15:52
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by itsrick on July 8, 2004, at 22:00:32
Effexor XR is the extended form. It's just extended release, like with many other drugs, even cold pills, they release into your system slowly to provide continued relief.
Posted by itsrick on July 9, 2004, at 8:20:12
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by lorily on July 9, 2004, at 8:15:52
> Effexor XR is the extended form. It's just extended release, like with many other drugs, even cold pills, they release into your system slowly to provide continued relief.
ah, so longer half-life? i'm desperate for positive news on reducing withdrawal symptoms so i can get off this stuff
Posted by lorily on July 9, 2004, at 8:48:22
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by itsrick on July 9, 2004, at 8:20:12
I don't know that. I believe it's so you have a constant level during your 24 hours, rather than the whole load at say 7am and withdrawals 1/2 way through the day. I'm not sure what the 1/2 life is, do you know? From reading these posts here I've learned alot and my other research has informed me it must be done slowly and GRADUALLY. Some people post how they're "down to" 37.5 every other day or every 3rd or 4th day. That makes no sense to me, if you're withdrawing, you should be consistantly bringing it down. I've posted in this thread on my personal experience. Today I took about 1/3 of 37.5 capsule. The past 2 days were 1/2. I feel great, I also took only 1/2 of the trazadone. I have some pretty wild, vivid complex dreams, but then I usually do, it's just more so. I feel a tiny bit light-headed, MUCH more energetic, way, way better than I've felt in a while. I'm not getting those zap things, either. When I first went from 75 to 37.5 June 1st, I did have that feeling in the morning one day and it scared me, so I stuck with that dose for 5 weeks. I've also read here that someone who had tapered and stopped was experiencing that and dizziness and nausea was told to open up the capsule and take about 10 little balls and it worked for them. Another thing, my appetite is fine, no nausea. And I discontinued the Depakote as well, not so slowly though.
Good Luck and take it easy
Posted by itsrick on July 9, 2004, at 8:52:24
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by lorily on July 9, 2004, at 8:48:22
> I don't know that. I believe it's so you have a constant level during your 24 hours, rather than the whole load at say 7am and withdrawals 1/2 way through the day. I'm not sure what the 1/2 life is, do you know? From reading these posts here I've learned alot and my other research has informed me it must be done slowly and GRADUALLY. Some people post how they're "down to" 37.5 every other day or every 3rd or 4th day. That makes no sense to me, if you're withdrawing, you should be consistantly bringing it down. I've posted in this thread on my personal experience. Today I took about 1/3 of 37.5 capsule. The past 2 days were 1/2. I feel great, I also took only 1/2 of the trazadone. I have some pretty wild, vivid complex dreams, but then I usually do, it's just more so. I feel a tiny bit light-headed, MUCH more energetic, way, way better than I've felt in a while. I'm not getting those zap things, either. When I first went from 75 to 37.5 June 1st, I did have that feeling in the morning one day and it scared me, so I stuck with that dose for 5 weeks. I've also read here that someone who had tapered and stopped was experiencing that and dizziness and nausea was told to open up the capsule and take about 10 little balls and it worked for them. Another thing, my appetite is fine, no nausea. And I discontinued the Depakote as well, not so slowly though.
> Good Luck and take it easy
thanks... so do you know if there are capsules with less than 37.5? breaking them open and pouring stuff out seems less than scientific (but if that's what must be done!). and what's trazadone? does that help with withdrawal?
r
Posted by Frisky_Cat on July 9, 2004, at 9:33:19
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by lorily on July 9, 2004, at 8:48:22
Half life is the amount time required for half of the substance to disappear from your system.
By the way, it's crazy to reduce the dose every day. Give your body to adjust.
Posted by itsrick on July 9, 2004, at 10:42:26
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by Frisky_Cat on July 9, 2004, at 9:33:19
> Half life is the amount time required for half of the substance to disappear from your system.
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> By the way, it's crazy to reduce the dose every day. Give your body to adjust.not clear what you mean above... it's crazy to reduce?
r
Posted by lorily on July 9, 2004, at 11:29:03
In reply to Re: How long does withdrawal from Effexor last?, posted by itsrick on July 9, 2004, at 10:42:26
I found this great site with all sorts of info
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/anti_depressants/withdrawal/venlafaxine.html
Posted by alan38 on July 9, 2004, at 11:56:31
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects, posted by lorily on July 8, 2004, at 14:20:09
How long have you been off totally?
I still have a bit. I am taking (1) Claritin D daily to counter Zaps. Been doing that for (2) weeks.
Posted by dizzzzy on July 9, 2004, at 16:19:46
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects, posted by alan38 on July 9, 2004, at 11:56:31
> How long have you been off totally?
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> I still have a bit. I am taking (1) Claritin D daily to counter Zaps. Been doing that for (2) weeks.
I have been on Effexor for at least 4 years in combination with Topamax. I am going through withdraw from the Effexor, the Topamax had no withdrawal symptoms. I was on 225mg a day, then cut it in half weekly until I was down to 37.5mg a day to then nothing. But I was dizzy when I stopped that the doctor has me on it every other day for a week. The days I don't take it I am so dizzy by the evening, I can't really do much! I only have one pill left, so I am a little nervous about stopping.During this withdrawal I have been dizzy, nausea, emotional (crying alot and very angry). My poor husband can do nothing right, I only get mad. I hope that this will end soon!
Why do you take Claritin for the side affects? What does it do?
Posted by LynnPerley on July 10, 2004, at 0:47:57
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects » alan38, posted by dizzzzy on July 9, 2004, at 16:19:46
I am curious as to why the Claritin would help, and why the generic Ritalin helps me. The worst day I had was the first day I went from 75 to 37.5, although I did have a lot of sporadic diahhrea over the last months as I reduced from 300mg. I hope someone can comment on the pharmacology. I'm guessing that the ritalin acts a lot like caffeine to eliminate headaches and generally brings one's mood up.
I have noticed some sporadic irritability but nothing close to what I expreienced before I took effexor xr. I attribute this to the psychotherapy I received. I will be finished with the 37.5 pills I have in a few days.
Posted by ishy on July 10, 2004, at 0:51:59
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects » alan38, posted by dizzzzy on July 9, 2004, at 16:19:46
Check out this month's issue of Self magazine. There is an excellent article about withdrawl from Effexor and the fact that doctors rarely tell their patients about it. It's called "Hooked on Antidepressants?". Unfortunately, it is not on Self's website.
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