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Posted by Mrs. C on February 9, 2004, at 17:49:27
In reply to Re: Lexapro Purgatory please respond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by ednababish on February 7, 2004, at 10:45:07
Right on Edna!!! Mrs. C
Posted by Mrs. C on February 9, 2004, at 17:56:29
In reply to Re: Lexapro Purgatory please respond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by vandy on February 7, 2004, at 11:08:00
Lexy, Yeah!!! I am so happy for you. You are almost there! Yes, I did feel what you are feeling before I actually felt the Lex "kick in". I also know what you mean by "fighting with yourself". I had this inner voice always telling me "something isn't right, you should be worrying about something" which resulted, of course, in me finding something to worry about! That voice is gone and I am finally able to enjoy my life again without the constant worry. Sometimes, very rarely and usually right before my time of the month that voice tries to get to me again. I say "tries to" because I am now able to fight it and win! I hope that you continue to improve, I know you will! Mrs. C
Posted by sexylexy on February 9, 2004, at 19:16:35
In reply to Feeling Flat on Lexapro, posted by KathrynLex on February 9, 2004, at 17:33:25
Hey K~
It is nice to know that we are not alone. I have not really had emotional flatness but definitley felt like "huh, another day, not depressed but not happy just kind a floating there" I bet this is your version of Lexapro Purgatory. I hope it gets better soon.
At this point I am glad I stayed at 10mg, felt pretty good today, I would say that I am running at about 75-80%. This is nice because I felt BAD on Friday. I hope all goes well for you and you start seeing some improvement very soon.
Lexy
Posted by Pfinstegg on February 9, 2004, at 22:19:37
In reply to Re: Hypothyroid and Lex?, posted by LynneDa on February 9, 2004, at 9:40:43
I don't know whether Lex contributes to hypothyroidism, but I think it would be good to have regular check-ups for your thyroid values- T3, T4 and TSH. I do it every 3 months, as I' m also hypothyroid. Taking Cytomel in addition to Synthroid made a big difference in getting the depression under control. I did take Lexapro for about 8 months, but have now been off for a month. I think it was the most acceptable AD I have taken, but it certainly wiped out my sex life, and also left me feeling sort of flat. But if I get a recurrence of severe depression, Lex is the one I would go to first. The endocrinologist I go to had to be pressured a bit by me to add Cytomel when I first saw him 18 months go, but when I went back for a real check-up last week, he had changed a lot: he's now checking carefully for depression, and, if it's there, he gives the combination type thyroid replacement. When I was taking Lex, I was never tired.
Pfinstegg
Posted by bill-bob on February 10, 2004, at 1:07:02
In reply to Feeling Flat on Lexapro, posted by KathrynLex on February 9, 2004, at 17:33:25
K-
I was somewhat flat for awhile but I feel mostly out of that phase now (after about 9 weeks on Lex). I'm only on 10 mg and don't feel a need to go higher since pretty much all of the depressive symptoms are gone. In fact, I feel reasonably normal enough (aside from sexual se's) that sometimes I wonder why I'm taking the pill each day - but thinking about not taking them does give me anxiety!
I'm curious why you are going to 20 mg. Was the 10 mg dose not working for you? I'm just wondering if your feeling of flatness is perhaps due to too much Lex???
B-B
Posted by Colin Michaels on February 10, 2004, at 3:18:04
In reply to Re: Lexapro dosage for anxiety?, posted by thib on February 4, 2004, at 12:52:57
I am looking for a good ssri for my severe ocd that plagues my mind everywaking moment. What is the best SSRI that will help me think clear again? I am looking for one that will cause less sedation. I have tried paxil, prozac and zoloft and they made me tired.
Posted by Bill LL on February 10, 2004, at 8:32:42
In reply to Re: Is Lexapro better than Celexa or any of them?, posted by Colin Michaels on February 10, 2004, at 3:18:04
Provigil can be good to add to an SSRI to help eliminate tiredness. It works with all SSRI's except Celexa and Lexapro.
Posted by shequinn on February 10, 2004, at 10:16:34
In reply to Re: Is Lexapro better than Celexa or any of them?, posted by Bill LL on February 10, 2004, at 8:32:42
My husband is on Lexapro, and is having what may be dosage issues. At 5mg, he's still depressed - at 10, he can't stop laughing (sometimes at inappropriate moments). He'd like to take 7.5mg, but we can't figure out how to split a pill into quarters reliably. (Our doctor told us that he could just take a Lexapro once a day whenever he felt moody, and take it just once or twice a week if he felt like it, and that there was no such thing as a withdrawal issue, so we don't really feel we can consult him on this one - he seems to have some serious information problems.) Any ideas?
Posted by KathrynLex on February 10, 2004, at 10:49:37
In reply to Lexapro dosage, posted by shequinn on February 10, 2004, at 10:16:34
Hi Shequinn,
A good pill cutter should be able to cut the pills in to quarters. There are a lot of people who take 7.5 mgs with very good results.
I've discussed lex withdrawl with my pdoc who said it can happen if you stop taking it suddenly. It's important to taper off of it slowly to give your body time to adjust to a lower dose.
On the other hand, lex stays in your system for quite a while. (I'm not sure how long.) So if your husband takes a pill once or twice a week he probably won't suffer from withdrawl.
But I would just go buy a good pill cutter. Good luck to both of you!
K.
Posted by KathrynLex on February 10, 2004, at 10:54:22
In reply to Re: Feeling Flat on Lexapro, posted by bill-bob on February 10, 2004, at 1:07:02
Hi Guys,
Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I know I'll begin to feel "normal" again soon, it's just nice to have a little reassurance.
To B-B:
>I'm curious why you are going to 20 mg. Was the 10 mg dose not working for you? I'm just wondering if your feeling of flatness is perhaps due to too much Lex???
At 10 mg I was still having very mild panic attacks. My pdoc said raising my dose to 20 mg would probably help stop the panic attacks entirely.
K.
Posted by Anjul on February 10, 2004, at 12:00:11
In reply to Lexapro dosage, posted by shequinn on February 10, 2004, at 10:16:34
Why cant he get a pill splitter from the drug store or use a sharp knife and cut the 1/2 in 1/2 again? That's been working fine for me.
Posted by BobYuma on February 10, 2004, at 14:06:53
In reply to Lexapro dosage, posted by shequinn on February 10, 2004, at 10:16:34
> My husband is on Lexapro, and is having what may be dosage issues. At 5mg, he's still depressed - at 10, he can't stop laughing (sometimes at inappropriate moments). He'd like to take 7.5mg, but we can't figure out how to split a pill into quarters reliably. (Our doctor told us that he could just take a Lexapro once a day whenever he felt moody, and take it just once or twice a week if he felt like it, and that there was no such thing as a withdrawal issue, so we don't really feel we can consult him on this one - he seems to have some serious information problems.) Any ideas?
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Hi, shequinn:
Keep in mind that unless a doctor has taken a particular antidepressant themselves, they have no idea how to take it other than what the pharmaceutical companies tell them.
I was in the same boat as your husband. 10 mgs was too much for me, and 5 simply wasn't enough. I got myself a very sharp knife, and cut the pills in half, then I cut one of the halves in the middle. It can easily be done, the secret is to use a knife that is nice and sharp.
Good luck to both you and your husband.
BobYuma
Posted by KathrynLex on February 10, 2004, at 14:13:27
In reply to Re: Lexapro dosage -- shequinn, posted by BobYuma on February 10, 2004, at 14:06:53
Hi,
In two days I'm supposed to bump my lex dose up to 20 mg. For about 2 weeks I've been taking 15 mg and it has made me SO tired, I can hardly keep my eyes open. I know it's different for everyone, but will increasing my dose again make me more sleepy? Thanks!
K.
Posted by LynneDa on February 10, 2004, at 14:35:10
In reply to Another question about increasing, posted by KathrynLex on February 10, 2004, at 14:13:27
Hi Kathryn - I increased to 20 mg from 10 mg about 6 weeks ago and I am much sleepier - but no other major s/e's! My doctor told me to take it at night & see if that helps. I've gradually changed my time later and later each day over the past week. I took it at 9pm last night and only felt sleepy til about 11am this morning. I'm going to back it up to 7pm. That seemed to work best a couple days ago. I was tired enough at night, but not too groggy through the morning.
I have to go out of town tomorrow and present at meetings starting at 6am EST (5am mine) and go til 5pm, then drive 2 hours to my next meeting site. I am very nervous about how alert I will be! But, being only at 6 weeks on the new dose, I'm hoping there's still a chance this s/e will go away eventually.
I'm very glad to hear your panic attacks are diminishing, but I understand the flat feeling - I'm used to being very emotional so it seems even more a departure from my normal comfort zone within my personality. That has gone away almost completely at this point and, as someone else reported, I actually cried the other day - not in a bad PMS-y way, but real tears for real reasons - I hadn't done that since I've been on Lex!
Good luck!
~ Lynne
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> In two days I'm supposed to bump my lex dose up to 20 mg. For about 2 weeks I've been taking 15 mg and it has made me SO tired, I can hardly keep my eyes open. I know it's different for everyone, but will increasing my dose again make me more sleepy? Thanks!
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> K.
Posted by ednababish on February 10, 2004, at 15:27:32
In reply to Re: Recovery and Release » ednababish, posted by sexylexy on February 9, 2004, at 11:16:11
Lexy-- I will apoplogize for the lemgth here and just say that we English types tend to be long-winded. I am at 15 mgs for about seven weeks now; I take 10 in the morning and 5 at night. I was depressed for many years, maybe all of them! I'm thirty eight and I don't remember ever feeling "normal." I have always been extremely sensitive, easily hurt, high strung, given to over-reacting and not very resiliant after disappointments. My first major depressive episode at fifteen that was situational--my brother and his wife moved in with us and the situation was volatile, my grades were slipping, I had broken up with my first boyfriend and my "best friend" went after him and slept with him the same night. My second was at 23--a similar shake-up plus a high progesterone BCP. Graduate school and its stresses and disappointments reinforced a low-grade tendency toward moderate depression. Additionally, I had panic attacks from the last year of my stay at graduate school off and on for three years. This reached a head a year after my husband and I married and in the months after we had just bought a house. We fought every day, I was unable to work on my dissertation, and I realized I felt like s*** every day. Nothing made me happy--I couldn't even think of a single thing that would make me happy. I have never been a a good sleeper, but I was unable to use the bathroom even, and I decided I needed to see a doctor (my internist). She put me on 20mgs of Celexa; we upped it to 40 four months later, then dropped it to thirty after my blood pressure bottomed out and I almost fainting in front of the college class I was teaching. I took this for about a year, finished my dissertation, went to Greece to celebrate and make a baby, dropped my dose to twenty and then to ten when I found out I was pregnant before discontinuing it completely.
I was okay pregnant--I laughed a lot toward the end and after I had the baby, but after about eight weeks I began having panic attacks again, to the point where I could barely drive. I could not sleep, and I became afraid to stay alone with the baby. My internist prescribed 20mgs of Celexa--which left me more anxious than without it, exacerbated the anxiety, and finally started to work, although I was still having a great deal of trouble driving--and which she insisted I keep taking. One of her associates switched me to PaxilCR for anxiety, which made me forgetful and dull but not necessarily any happier; plus it killed my sex drive to the point where I could not get aroused even, no matter how hard I tried. HE sent me to a pdoc when I complained who informed me that I was more depressed than I was letting on to myself who switched me lexapro and referred me to one of her therapists. Now, after eight months, I'm finally feeling better. How ofetn I find myself laughing is always my gauge for feeling better.
On a more personal level, I believe you told someone you are a graduate student and studying to be a councellor. Is this correct? Graduate school is horrible on the psyche--there are no two ways about it, it is just debilitatingly demoralizing from start to finish until you can escape through finishing and moving on. Perhaps there is a reason, too, why this has happened to you: perhaps God wanted you to know exactly where your depressed patients are coming from. When I'm not depressed I try to see a greater reason for some of the negative things that have and do happen--for example, I took so long tp finish my dissertation because I really needed to know that this is what I wanted to do with my life. I'm not trying to be flippant about your situation--because I've been there myself--and I feel for you. Good luck and I hope this information helps.
Edna Babish
Posted by LynneDa on February 10, 2004, at 16:11:38
In reply to Re: Recovery and Release, posted by ednababish on February 10, 2004, at 15:27:32
EB - I know your post was intended for Lexy, but I enjoyed reading it. All of our stories have such similarities and there is some odd comfort to that! I thought the same thing for Lexy - maybe this is happening to her so she'll be a more compassionate and understanding therapist. (Not that you wouldn't be already Lexy, I can tell you have a very kind & understanding heart!)
My husband just graduated with his MBA (at the age of 41) - he went full time. It was a rough program at a hard, private university. It was very demoralizing and debilitating to his psyche. He still hasn't fully recovered and although he knows he nose-dived into depression, he is resolute that he can get out of it himself!
Thanks again for your story and glad to hear the Lex has done the trick for you :-)
~ Lynne
Posted by Bill LL on February 10, 2004, at 16:13:20
In reply to Lexapro dosage, posted by shequinn on February 10, 2004, at 10:16:34
For me, the easiest way to cut a pill is with a disposable razor knife. The kind you would use for wallpaper cutting. Works well for me. I have not had much luck with commercial pill cutters.
I put the pill on a hard smooth surface such as the back of a hard plastic plate. I then first cut the pill in half. Then in quarters.
Posted by Bill LL on February 10, 2004, at 16:16:30
In reply to Another question about increasing, posted by KathrynLex on February 10, 2004, at 14:13:27
Based on my experience, I think that at first it will make you more energetic. But then after a while, it could make you tired again.
Wellbutrin helps me with that problem. I can only take one 100 mg pill per day or else I get too jittery.
Posted by LynneDa on February 10, 2004, at 16:22:28
In reply to Re: Another question about increasing, posted by Bill LL on February 10, 2004, at 16:16:30
Bill - did you have any other side effects when starting Wellbutrin or did you start it together with the Lex? I'm worried about having s/e's again if I go that route. Thanks!
~ Lynne
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Based on my experience, I think that at first it will make you more energetic. But then after a while, it could make you tired again.
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Posted by bill-bob on February 10, 2004, at 19:57:29
In reply to Another question about increasing, posted by KathrynLex on February 10, 2004, at 14:13:27
K-
I don't know if this is relevant but I've noticed that while I've been on Lexapro I'm much more sensitive to any sleep deprivation. If I don't get enough sleep these days I am less able to concentrate and more sleepy, especially during boring meetings at work.
So I try to get a good nights sleep these days (not always successful), and when I do I notice that I'm not sleepy during the day and overall I feel pretty good.
Hope this helps.
B-B
Posted by sexylexy on February 11, 2004, at 11:53:52
In reply to Re: Another question about increasing, posted by bill-bob on February 10, 2004, at 19:57:29
Hey Ya'll
Again I come to you for support. I have recieved such wonderful support in the past and truly believe it has helpped me to feel much better.
As I said last week I believe the lexapro is begining to kick in. I am in and out of lexapro purgatory but derfinitley feeling much stronger and glad I have stuck it out.
However, for the last few days, I have felt a little spacey , not like when I was first on lexapro and living in a fog, but more unfocused and uncaring. I have found myself not as dedicated to listening to my clients and my thinkng about solutions to their problems not as sharp. Putting off paper work because I just don't feel like doing it. I guess a good way of putting it is that I am feeling mentally less sharp and lazy.
Have you all experienced this kinda lacadaisacial feelings and do they go away, does the sharpness return, I am I still in my lexapro purgatory and beinging to come out into the sunshine again? I would love some experiences por favor!
Thanks and God Bless,
Lexy
Posted by sexylexy on February 11, 2004, at 11:59:31
In reply to Re: Another question about increasing, posted by bill-bob on February 10, 2004, at 19:57:29
Hey Ya'll
I did want to say how intersting it is that you all picked up on me being a thereapist on lexapro and how my experience of depression/anxiety has helpped.
Although the feelings and thoughts I had while deeply anxious which was feeding into depression were horrible, I would not wish them on my worst enemny. I do feel it has allowed me to understand my clients 100% better. I am able to talk to them about what psycologically and physically is going on with them and understand excatly what they are talking about.
I am very open and honest about my own depression/anxiety as well as taking a medication to combat this. I believe that the relationship with my clients has vastly improved now that I can really understand where they are coming from.
I do believe that God has chosen this profession for me and maybe gave me this experience to be both a better person and therapist. Anyway thats just my two cents!
Good day!
Lexy
Posted by lsk on February 11, 2004, at 12:11:48
In reply to Re: Another question about increasing » KathrynLex, posted by LynneDa on February 10, 2004, at 14:35:10
> Hi, I had the same tiredness with lex but liked that I didn't feel like I was pmsing all the tines and snapping off at people. I aked the doc to up my mg because I had felt so good the first couple of weeks then went to the tired feeling. He added Wellbutrin instead and that has really helped alot. Only been on lex for 6 weeks and
1 1/2 of that with the Wellbutrin. I hope I can continue with the combo with out any trouble...I feel like 1000 pounds has been lifted off my shoulders!!
Hi Kathryn - I increased to 20 mg from 10 mg about 6 weeks ago and I am much sleepier - but no other major s/e's! My doctor told me to take it at night & see if that helps. I've gradually changed my time later and later each day over the past week. I took it at 9pm last night and only felt sleepy til about 11am this morning. I'm going to back it up to 7pm. That seemed to work best a couple days ago. I was tired enough at night, but not too groggy through the morning.
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> I have to go out of town tomorrow and present at meetings starting at 6am EST (5am mine) and go til 5pm, then drive 2 hours to my next meeting site. I am very nervous about how alert I will be! But, being only at 6 weeks on the new dose, I'm hoping there's still a chance this s/e will go away eventually.
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> I'm very glad to hear your panic attacks are diminishing, but I understand the flat feeling - I'm used to being very emotional so it seems even more a departure from my normal comfort zone within my personality. That has gone away almost completely at this point and, as someone else reported, I actually cried the other day - not in a bad PMS-y way, but real tears for real reasons - I hadn't done that since I've been on Lex!
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> Good luck!
> ~ Lynne
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Posted by kellieann7 on February 11, 2004, at 14:23:50
In reply to lexapro support and a ?, posted by sexylexy on February 11, 2004, at 11:53:52
Lexy,
For me, I know that I have good days and bad days on Lex. I have decided I can control how Lex affects me, or, at least, I can control how I respond to how Lex affects me. There were so many days in the beginning when I would beg myself, "Just take a 10 minute nap, you'll feel so much better." I would sleep for hours! My body wasn't tired. I decided this was the medication. My solution was to stop coming home for lunch. This site has helped me tremendously because reading about the s/e, etc reminds me that I am putting a chemical(??) in my body.
Maybe this is the wrong way to look at it, because this makes me dependant on the medication, but I do look at my depression as an chemical imbalance that gets worse depending on triggers, like my allergies. I know that if I lay in the grass or play with cats I will be miserable tomorrow if I don't take my Allegra. Well, Lexapro is my Allegra for my depression. I am allergic to PMS, money problems, work stress, and most of all, wanting to get pregnant. Some people can play outside all day and don't get itchy eyes, etc., but I can't. So, I prevent it by taking the meds.On topic, sometimes I do get the "brain fog" and I literally shake my head to clear it. I don't know if it works, and it looks silly at work, but it helps me.
Posted by Bill LL on February 11, 2004, at 14:32:38
In reply to Re: Another question about increasing » Bill LL, posted by LynneDa on February 10, 2004, at 16:22:28
Lynn- I had been on lex for over a year when I started Wellbutrin 2 months a go. The jitteriness was the only side effect that I had (I shouldn't say "only" because it feels pretty bad). But when I cut down to one pill, I was fine. It didn't interfere with my sleep.
On the plus side, it reduced my depression and allowed me to lower the lex from 30 mg to 20 mg. It also helps me to concentrate.
> Lynn - did you have any other side effects when starting Wellbutrin or did you start it together with the Lex? I'm worried about having s/e's again if I go that route. Thanks!
> ~ Lynne
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