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Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 2:52:37
Long story Wont get it to it, so I'll just get down to business.
My 12 year old son is currently on 1000mg of depakote ER in the morning, 100mg of topamax 2x a day and 5 mg of zyprexa at bedtime.
He is diagnosed BP. His list of meds in the past range from inderal (his first med, made him extremely depressed), trileptal (did nothing for him at the highest dose he could be given!)
paxil (I REALLY THINK THIS HELPED HIM ALOT! BUT SINCE THE BP DIAGNOSIS the docs all say NO NO TO AN SSRI ON A BP KID)After the trileptal failure we switched to depakote (250mg) and noone was even taking his levels! in which he was also on zyprexa at the time. (dont ask he had a bad pdoc!) After 6 months on zyprexa he went from a superior athlete with a natural athletic physique to gaining 50lbs in the first 3 months! I kept mentioning it the doc didnt do anything! So I took him back to his doc that treated him in a previous hospitalization. He took him off the zyprexa, and did a depakote level, he wasnt even on enough for it to be effective in the first place! He bumped him up to 750mg of depakote 2x a day an gave him 75mg of topamax, he had a severe manic episode about 3 months later (after stopping the zyprexa) he lost some of the puffiness and a little bit of weight, but now he bumped him up to 1000mg of depakote ER in the morning and 100mg of topamax 2x a day. He is back on the zyprexa as well, 5mg at night. He is so hungry! im nervous! His pdoc tried to put him risperdal, 5mg at night to see if we could stay away from the zyprexa cause of he weight, no go, he had sweats, tachycardia, and weird i could feel spasms in his neck and when i looked at him he was constantly blinking with each spasm, so pdoc took him off, he gets every bad side effect in the book! tried abilify about 2 months before the manic episode, for 1 day only! his arms and legs were jerking and twitching he couldnt sleep and he was so paranoid!
He finally fell asleep and was still twitching in his sleep! So he is back on the zyprexa, although it works well for him im very concerned about his weight! Im wondering if i should give abilify another try, I have been reading in some places that side effect diminish over time? that one night of abilify was enough to make me not want to give it to him the next day. but i wonder if side effects might decrease so he can take off some of he weight.
And what about the depakote I dont even know its doing much for him! the zyprexa works for him, but he is still a grumpy kid alot of the time.
and the weirdest thing that his pdoc disagrees on is, I see him do so much better when he takes his zyprexa at night and in the morning when i break up the doses. He really seems to do better on this med taking it in the morning! if i can get him up he wants to sleep 12 hours a night on this med, which does not work out with a school schedule.any opinion on giving abilify another try would be helpful!
Posted by cybercafe on September 28, 2003, at 3:04:37
In reply to Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 2:52:37
how much abilify did he take?
> Long story Wont get it to it, so I'll just get down to business.
>
> My 12 year old son is currently on 1000mg of depakote ER in the morning, 100mg of topamax 2x a day and 5 mg of zyprexa at bedtime.
>
> He is diagnosed BP. His list of meds in the past range from inderal (his first med, made him extremely depressed), trileptal (did nothing for him at the highest dose he could be given!)
> paxil (I REALLY THINK THIS HELPED HIM ALOT! BUT SINCE THE BP DIAGNOSIS the docs all say NO NO TO AN SSRI ON A BP KID)
>
> After the trileptal failure we switched to depakote (250mg) and noone was even taking his levels! in which he was also on zyprexa at the time. (dont ask he had a bad pdoc!) After 6 months on zyprexa he went from a superior athlete with a natural athletic physique to gaining 50lbs in the first 3 months! I kept mentioning it the doc didnt do anything! So I took him back to his doc that treated him in a previous hospitalization. He took him off the zyprexa, and did a depakote level, he wasnt even on enough for it to be effective in the first place! He bumped him up to 750mg of depakote 2x a day an gave him 75mg of topamax, he had a severe manic episode about 3 months later (after stopping the zyprexa) he lost some of the puffiness and a little bit of weight, but now he bumped him up to 1000mg of depakote ER in the morning and 100mg of topamax 2x a day. He is back on the zyprexa as well, 5mg at night. He is so hungry! im nervous! His pdoc tried to put him risperdal, 5mg at night to see if we could stay away from the zyprexa cause of he weight, no go, he had sweats, tachycardia, and weird i could feel spasms in his neck and when i looked at him he was constantly blinking with each spasm, so pdoc took him off, he gets every bad side effect in the book! tried abilify about 2 months before the manic episode, for 1 day only! his arms and legs were jerking and twitching he couldnt sleep and he was so paranoid!
> He finally fell asleep and was still twitching in his sleep! So he is back on the zyprexa, although it works well for him im very concerned about his weight! Im wondering if i should give abilify another try, I have been reading in some places that side effect diminish over time? that one night of abilify was enough to make me not want to give it to him the next day. but i wonder if side effects might decrease so he can take off some of he weight.
> And what about the depakote I dont even know its doing much for him! the zyprexa works for him, but he is still a grumpy kid alot of the time.
> and the weirdest thing that his pdoc disagrees on is, I see him do so much better when he takes his zyprexa at night and in the morning when i break up the doses. He really seems to do better on this med taking it in the morning! if i can get him up he wants to sleep 12 hours a night on this med, which does not work out with a school schedule.
>
> any opinion on giving abilify another try would be helpful!
>
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Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 11:26:02
In reply to Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 2:52:37
Try a low dose of Abilify and zyprexa?! 2.5 mg Zyprexa and 2.5-3.75 mg Abilify. That should take care of the weight sleep problems. If the Abilify still does not work, try Wellbutrin with the zyprexa, 100 mg twice a day with the 5 mg of zyprexa. That works also.
Sebastian
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 11:43:04
In reply to Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 2:52:37
Yes you can cut thouse two pills, with a knife or buy a pill cutter from the pharmacy for $3.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:16:58
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by cybercafe on September 28, 2003, at 3:04:37
He started him 15mg of abilify.
one night at that dose was awful for him.
And His doctor tells me I can not cut zyprexa in half, that when the air gets to it , it is no good anymore.
He is a difficult case, and has had past history of motor tics (before even starting meds) has adhd symptoms and ocd symptoms as well as high anxiety, depression and lots of aggression (sometimes i think its the high anxiety that makes him get so angry when he cant take it anymore) and he has phobias. He does have a lack of inhibitory response and alot of impulsivity as well.
I just need to find the right mix for him, I wish there were one or 2 good meds that would help everything for him to be able to function well. Although zyprexa has been the best yet, the sleep and weight gain has been awful.
I have tried so much to help him including neurofeedback (eeg) have you heard of this? its supposed to retrain the brain, some find it very controversial and question whether it actually works, me I think it has to do something, there were times he went into a neurofeedback session and came out as restless as he was on the abilify.> how much abilify did he take?
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> > Long story Wont get it to it, so I'll just get down to business.
> >
> > My 12 year old son is currently on 1000mg of depakote ER in the morning, 100mg of topamax 2x a day and 5 mg of zyprexa at bedtime.
> >
> > He is diagnosed BP. His list of meds in the past range from inderal (his first med, made him extremely depressed), trileptal (did nothing for him at the highest dose he could be given!)
> > paxil (I REALLY THINK THIS HELPED HIM ALOT! BUT SINCE THE BP DIAGNOSIS the docs all say NO NO TO AN SSRI ON A BP KID)
> >
> > After the trileptal failure we switched to depakote (250mg) and noone was even taking his levels! in which he was also on zyprexa at the time. (dont ask he had a bad pdoc!) After 6 months on zyprexa he went from a superior athlete with a natural athletic physique to gaining 50lbs in the first 3 months! I kept mentioning it the doc didnt do anything! So I took him back to his doc that treated him in a previous hospitalization. He took him off the zyprexa, and did a depakote level, he wasnt even on enough for it to be effective in the first place! He bumped him up to 750mg of depakote 2x a day an gave him 75mg of topamax, he had a severe manic episode about 3 months later (after stopping the zyprexa) he lost some of the puffiness and a little bit of weight, but now he bumped him up to 1000mg of depakote ER in the morning and 100mg of topamax 2x a day. He is back on the zyprexa as well, 5mg at night. He is so hungry! im nervous! His pdoc tried to put him risperdal, 5mg at night to see if we could stay away from the zyprexa cause of he weight, no go, he had sweats, tachycardia, and weird i could feel spasms in his neck and when i looked at him he was constantly blinking with each spasm, so pdoc took him off, he gets every bad side effect in the book! tried abilify about 2 months before the manic episode, for 1 day only! his arms and legs were jerking and twitching he couldnt sleep and he was so paranoid!
> > He finally fell asleep and was still twitching in his sleep! So he is back on the zyprexa, although it works well for him im very concerned about his weight! Im wondering if i should give abilify another try, I have been reading in some places that side effect diminish over time? that one night of abilify was enough to make me not want to give it to him the next day. but i wonder if side effects might decrease so he can take off some of he weight.
> > And what about the depakote I dont even know its doing much for him! the zyprexa works for him, but he is still a grumpy kid alot of the time.
> > and the weirdest thing that his pdoc disagrees on is, I see him do so much better when he takes his zyprexa at night and in the morning when i break up the doses. He really seems to do better on this med taking it in the morning! if i can get him up he wants to sleep 12 hours a night on this med, which does not work out with a school schedule.
> >
> > any opinion on giving abilify another try would be helpful!
> >
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Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:25:03
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try? » Momof1BPKid, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 11:26:02
His doc wants to keep him away from SSRI'S or any antidepressant cause he feels it can cause him to go manic. He doesnt want me to give him anything that will cause him to get manic, he cant even take any cough medicine besides robitussin cause his doc says it could make him manic (ie robitussin dm is not good for him)
I still think he could be doing alot better than he is with the right medication.
I tried to get him in a bipolar study for kids where they compare mris (4 different sets) in case he had the wrong diag (since he is so resistant to many meds) they denied him based on the past history of motor tics which they said meets tourettes criteria. Im hoping to find a good neurologist /psych that will do a spect study on him or something to see how his brain is really functioning and if he is getting an accurate diagnosis. I feel like he has sensory integration issues as well, he hates having clothes on except a pair of comfy sweats. He is a kid who needs stimulation to put him to sleep he has always been like that. wants me to tap his back to help him fall asleep sometimes.
> Try a low dose of Abilify and zyprexa?! 2.5 mg Zyprexa and 2.5-3.75 mg Abilify. That should take care of the weight sleep problems. If the Abilify still does not work, try Wellbutrin with the zyprexa, 100 mg twice a day with the 5 mg of zyprexa. That works also.
>
> Sebastian
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 12:36:39
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:16:58
I cut my 10 mg dose every other day on the zyprexa and keep the half pice in a pill bottle. They are fine as long as you don't cut more than one at a time. I've asked the pharmacy and my doctor, have also heard of many other people on this board that do the same thing. One person talked to the manufacturer and was told not to cut more than a week at a time.
15 mg abilify was my initial dose. That was much too high and I had to stop after 2 weeks, as my sleep was getting worse and anxiety worsened + panic attacks. Also when I stoped the Abilify a few weeks after I had some recuring anxiety problems. Later on I tryed a low 3.75 mg dose out of curiosity and found it tolerable and some benificial. Cybercafe is now taking 3.75 abilify and have luck with it so are some others. I don't hear of many good results at the higher doses, like 15 mg.
The 2 can be mixed.
Taking wellbutrin with the zyprexa also helps with sleep and energy and eating, and depression and smoking.
Do you mean ECT? Electro Convolsive Therapy? That I have plenty of. EEG is a brain scan that only tells how your brain is. Its not a treatment, just a diagnostic technique.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:47:40
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try? » Momof1BPKid, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 12:36:39
No its not ECT, its not a regular EEG test, it is called "neurofeedback" where basically my son has sits in front of a game with receptors on his head (weird i know) It doesnt shock you or anything like that it is supposed to retrain your brain. but its controversial ,i am not sure it works but alot of people say they have benefitted, thing is its expensive, they have some home units I think as well, but he was seeing a PHD who ordered a QEEG this basically tells alot of stuff and used it as a neurofeedback recommendation , i guess QEEGs are pretty good tests, since his neurologist also uses them and I read some things about them on the Mclean hospital website (mclean is supposed to be the best mentalhealth place) I do think the neurofeedback definately did something to him, cause like I said he would have this extreme restlessness after some sessions.
just like the abilify.> I cut my 10 mg dose every other day on the zyprexa and keep the half pice in a pill bottle. They are fine as long as you don't cut more than one at a time. I've asked the pharmacy and my doctor, have also heard of many other people on this board that do the same thing. One person talked to the manufacturer and was told not to cut more than a week at a time.
>
> 15 mg abilify was my initial dose. That was much too high and I had to stop after 2 weeks, as my sleep was getting worse and anxiety worsened + panic attacks. Also when I stoped the Abilify a few weeks after I had some recuring anxiety problems. Later on I tryed a low 3.75 mg dose out of curiosity and found it tolerable and some benificial. Cybercafe is now taking 3.75 abilify and have luck with it so are some others. I don't hear of many good results at the higher doses, like 15 mg.
>
> The 2 can be mixed.
>
> Taking wellbutrin with the zyprexa also helps with sleep and energy and eating, and depression and smoking.
>
> Do you mean ECT? Electro Convolsive Therapy? That I have plenty of. EEG is a brain scan that only tells how your brain is. Its not a treatment, just a diagnostic technique.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:49:39
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try? » Momof1BPKid, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 12:36:39
Here is a link,
they have alot of information about it here.
http://www.eegspectrum.com/something cool to read about even if youre a skeptic its still pretty interesting.
> I cut my 10 mg dose every other day on the zyprexa and keep the half pice in a pill bottle. They are fine as long as you don't cut more than one at a time. I've asked the pharmacy and my doctor, have also heard of many other people on this board that do the same thing. One person talked to the manufacturer and was told not to cut more than a week at a time.
>
> 15 mg abilify was my initial dose. That was much too high and I had to stop after 2 weeks, as my sleep was getting worse and anxiety worsened + panic attacks. Also when I stoped the Abilify a few weeks after I had some recuring anxiety problems. Later on I tryed a low 3.75 mg dose out of curiosity and found it tolerable and some benificial. Cybercafe is now taking 3.75 abilify and have luck with it so are some others. I don't hear of many good results at the higher doses, like 15 mg.
>
> The 2 can be mixed.
>
> Taking wellbutrin with the zyprexa also helps with sleep and energy and eating, and depression and smoking.
>
> Do you mean ECT? Electro Convolsive Therapy? That I have plenty of. EEG is a brain scan that only tells how your brain is. Its not a treatment, just a diagnostic technique.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 12:54:10
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:47:40
I'm not sure but I may have takin some of thouse. They didn't help in the long run. Its a big metal helmit on your head, looks like a wire mess with contacts on your head, stuff like that?
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:59:51
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 12:54:10
yup! thats probably it.
So you got increased anxiety with abilify? I havent found anything as good as the zyprexa for my son I wish I could have the abilify work like the zyprexa, (without side effects) maybe he would adjust long term. I know it affects all people differently
He has a friend who also took risperdal but had hormonal problems. For my son the risperdal caused his heart to race, tics, sweating, and all kinds of nasal stuffiness (weird stuff). His friend is on abilify 7.5 (it was lowered from 15) he weighs less than my son about 40 lbs less. The thing is his first dose of abilify knocked him out , it did the exact opposite for my son, He was paranoid, and jerking all night, even when he finally fell asleep.
I'm not sure but I may have takin some of thouse. They didn't help in the long run. Its a big metal helmit on your head, looks like a wire mess with contacts on your head, stuff like that?
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:06:32
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 12:54:10
I have heard wonderful things from people taking a zyprexa/prozac combo. but I have also read some not so good things from people on the net. and I know Eli Lilly is combining the 2 into one pill called Symbiax. Although it hasnt gotten approval yet. The things I read don't seem that encouraging, Although it did not induce mania, they say patients on symbiax "OR" zyprexa did well. so maybe the prozac added isnt doing much. I asked him doc about this he basically said in a nice way combo pills suck. But that might not be the case when the pharmaceutical people come to the door with samples after approval.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:11:06
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 12:59:51
I'm one of thouse people who has a text book response to zyprexa; 5 years now. It works best for me with wellbutrin, 5 mg zyprexa user should take 2-100 mg wellbutrin SR s a day. Thats what I do now, I don't have the weight problem anymore. I had gained from 150 up to 230. Now I weigh 170. I've been taking WB for 6 months now. Zyprexa is about the only thing for anxiety, and I find once used to it you can have a hard time stoping it suddenly. Problems like anxiety and not eating if you take it long enough. You can stop taking it gradualy. I did find my most clear thinking on zyprexa, almost better than ever. thats why I was haveing a very hard time stoping it. I just graduated college with a 3.96.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:15:44
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:06:32
I took zyprexa and prozak. The prozak did nothing. They put me on it many times, I took it for a few months and stoped. I take a very usefull anti-depresant now, Celexa. You will know almost imedialy with these meds. I felt great as soon as I started the celexa. I'm taking a high dose and not having any bad side-effects; 60 mg.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:21:14
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:11:06
wow great for you, you sound like my son with the zyprexa its the only med he does well on. I think he really does better on 7.5 or 10. He is 174 lbs and on 5mg at bedtime. His doc once mentioned wellbutrin in the past, but that was long ago when he was on paxil. I am wondering if he even needs the depakote and if he could just use the zyprexa and topamax. I am glad your doing well. I always though wellbutrin might work for him, But I get nervous with the wellbutrin stuff I read online sometimes.
I thought it might work for him I was alot like him when I was younger(not as severe though) and I smoked, still do, the nicotine somehow helps me (although I am trying to quit) Wellbutrin is the same thing as zyban (a quit smoking pill) which sometimes make me think it might do something to the part of his brain he needs help with. although he never tried it. Im glad you did well in college! My son has a very high IQ. He gets A's in school, but his behavior is what causes his problems for him.
> I'm one of thouse people who has a text book response to zyprexa; 5 years now. It works best for me with wellbutrin, 5 mg zyprexa user should take 2-100 mg wellbutrin SR s a day. Thats what I do now, I don't have the weight problem anymore. I had gained from 150 up to 230. Now I weigh 170. I've been taking WB for 6 months now. Zyprexa is about the only thing for anxiety, and I find once used to it you can have a hard time stoping it suddenly. Problems like anxiety and not eating if you take it long enough. You can stop taking it gradualy. I did find my most clear thinking on zyprexa, almost better than ever. thats why I was haveing a very hard time stoping it. I just graduated college with a 3.96.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:27:21
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:15:44
The first med after the inderal (that was his very young days) he was on celexa 10mg (did nothing for him) but i dont even think we gave it a chance, his doc left the office after prescribing and I couldnt get to him for a good month! So i had to take him to the hospital, where a great doctor treated him. He put him on paxil and trileptal originally but didnt do enough for him. I dont think the trileptal did much at all he had him on a dose higher than most adults and he was still having problems.
My son is difficult cause he really has a hard time telling me what works for him since he is young. I have to pretty much watch how things effect him. And I still am not always sure he has the right meds. I worry about him getting diabetic on the zyprexa as well. I have a long family history of diabetes, both my mom and dad and I am borderline diabetic myself. It bothers me since I read that zyprexa seems to affect young males with the diabetes thing more than anyone else.
> I took zyprexa and prozak. The prozak did nothing. They put me on it many times, I took it for a few months and stoped. I take a very usefull anti-depresant now, Celexa. You will know almost imedialy with these meds. I felt great as soon as I started the celexa. I'm taking a high dose and not having any bad side-effects; 60 mg.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:31:10
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:21:14
I was taking the 10 mg zyprexa and 3-100 mg wellbutrins for a while at the end of school. They are best spaced out through the day, not at once. Don't start at the high dose, move up gradualy several days. It takes getting used to, the first week is worse, it gets easyer and much better in a month or two. You probably won't pass out, I though I would but it goes away, just stand slow at the beginning.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:35:58
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:27:21
I think I am right when I say this, the zyprexa does not directly cause diabities, its the weight gain from eating. I watched my cholesterol go up and got warned of diabities. Lost the wieght and cholesterol went back to normal, taking the same dose.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:39:43
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:31:10
Have you read anything about taking zyprexa with some kind of histamine blocker like pepcid or zantac, I read taking this when starting zyprexa can help the weight gain. In many internet searches I ready zyprexa has some kind of H1 histamine response (which is more like a benedryl or zyrtec) but H2 histamine is more like a pepcid or zantac or tagament. But I think Geodon (no weight gain) has some sort of h2 response, which might explain weight gain , but Geodon and "sudden death" makes me very nervous. I know histamine levels can contribute to aggressive behavior. But I wonder how safe pepcid with zyprexa might be.
Sorry I have just read too much stuff on the net to know what is good and what isnt!
I was taking the 10 mg zyprexa and 3-100 mg wellbutrins for a while at the end of school. They are best spaced out through the day, not at once. Don't start at the high dose, move up gradualy several days. It takes getting used to, the first week is worse, it gets easyer and much better in a month or two. You probably won't pass out, I though I would but it goes away, just stand slow at the beginning.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:43:27
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:35:58
I am hoping he loses the weight, Sometimes I actually wonder if it was the depakote for him or the 2 combined, He didnt seem to have much weight gain on a low dose of zyprexa with his paxil and trileptal, but when he started the depakote (low dose) with the zyprexa the weight gain just came and came quick. He leveled out after the first 3 months really. I hope he doesnt gain anymore, but he is still hungry and even with 100mg of topamax a day. He definately lost some puffiness when he stopped the zyprexa so I fear that might come back. If he stays stable at this weight he might be ok although I want him to lose, he will probably have a hugh growth spurt in height that will even him out.
> I think I am right when I say this, the zyprexa does not directly cause diabities, its the weight gain from eating. I watched my cholesterol go up and got warned of diabities. Lost the wieght and cholesterol went back to normal, taking the same dose.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:45:50
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:27:21
I was hard to treat too. Started all this when I was 20. Parents just monitored my behavior and told my doctor. I took risperdal and would not move off the couch. So switched me to zyprexa and saw me move around more, eventualy got a job. so i stayed on that. That was enough for many years, untill I got interested in my health 2 years ago; I'm 27 now. I lied to the doctor many times, just so they would not give me more meds. One was enough for me. I take the 4 now. Zyprexa, celexa, wellbutrin, and toporal XL for blood presure and anxiety.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:54:19
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:39:43
I've never heard much about histamine blockers. I don't think there is much on this sit about them either. Usualy with wellbutrin you will know on the first dose or very shortly after about seizures. I didn't try the geodon because of faital heart beat death, and the twice a day dosing with tiredness mid day.
Posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 14:01:04
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 13:54:19
I worry about that I had a friend who took zyban to quit smoking (wellbutrin) and did well for about 8 months. she stopped smoking during that time quit the zyban. She started smoking again a while later and restarted the zyban and had a few seizures after starting back up.
My son had an ekg, and his heart was fine, but I still didnt want to put him on the Geodon, he rough houses alot with kids and I worry he will get long qt syndrome that sometimes you read about a football player dropping dead from with one minor blow to the chest.
My son also had an eeg but no seizure activity, but again sometimes he gets into these rages that seem like seizure activity. I have history of epilepsy in my sibling as well. So that is a bit scary for me.
> I've never heard much about histamine blockers. I don't think there is much on this sit about them either. Usualy with wellbutrin you will know on the first dose or very shortly after about seizures. I didn't try the geodon because of faital heart beat death, and the twice a day dosing with tiredness mid day.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 14:02:53
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 13:43:27
Thats what happend for me, Depakote. It helped for a short time but weight was bad. That was anouther drug I was happy to lose. My doctor also didn't think it was doing much. I took it for a year. The effects were not favorable to me. When I went back to just zyprexa I remember wanting to lose some weight, but got influenced by my girlfried not to? Incourage him, this is how I started the weight loss. When I only took the zyprexa and celexa, befor welbutrin. the welbutrin made it easyer to keep off, it stimulates you out of lazyness, I go to the gum lots.
Posted by Sebastian on September 28, 2003, at 14:10:52
In reply to Re: Abilify- worth another try?, posted by Momof1BPKid on September 28, 2003, at 14:01:04
What kind of rages, what does he do? I direct the rageful energy out at the gum with very intense work outs. Some times I over do it and only get a energy reduction effect especialy if I don't drink enough water, but not a seisure, maybe dizzy. I have no history of heart problem, just totaly trust the zyprexa and find it most benificial, thats what I decided after the abilify, nothing else will work. so I didn't even try geodon.
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