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Posted by Sebastian on September 15, 2003, at 12:37:39
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 15, 2003, at 0:39:44
Sounds strange to me, but I guess the abilify is working for you. Especialy since you have reduced zyprexa. Maybe you ought to try 0mg zyprexa?
Sebastian
Posted by cybercafe on September 15, 2003, at 16:24:12
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 15, 2003, at 12:37:39
> Sounds strange to me, but I guess the abilify is working for you. Especialy since you have reduced zyprexa. Maybe you ought to try 0mg zyprexa?
>
> Sebastiani am taking 0 mg zyprexa and 7.5mg abilify but still i want to sleep all day
i blame celexa
Posted by JaneB on September 15, 2003, at 16:49:29
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 15, 2003, at 16:24:12
but still i want to sleep all day
>
> i blame celexaI took more naps for 2 years on celexa than for the whole rest of my life!
Jane
Posted by Sebastian on September 15, 2003, at 18:42:09
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 15, 2003, at 16:24:12
Maybe the Celexa should turn into Wellbutrin? Or take more Abilify? Try 15mg Abilify! That should do the trick!
Seb
Posted by cybercafe on September 16, 2003, at 3:57:16
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 15, 2003, at 18:42:09
> Maybe the Celexa should turn into Wellbutrin? Or take more Abilify? Try 15mg Abilify! That should do the trick!
hey that is plan B :)
i would prefer not to increase abilify too much as it blocks receptors i need to hit to treat my ADD (D4 and alpha1)
Posted by cybercafe on September 16, 2003, at 14:12:56
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 15, 2003, at 18:42:09
> Maybe the Celexa should turn into Wellbutrin? Or take more Abilify? Try 15mg Abilify! That should do the trick!
>
> Sebactually i've thought about it, and increasing the abilify sounds like a good idea, but the cost would be prohibitive
Posted by Sebastian on September 16, 2003, at 19:26:36
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 16, 2003, at 14:12:56
Just remember pill spliting, since you arn't going through a medical insurance company, you can buy 90 day supply of 30 mgs and cut, its cheaper this way, if you reserch a cheap pharmacy, any pharmacy would give you a lower price on a larger supply but some are cheaper than others.
Are you just trying not to sleep all day? I think if you switch celexa to wellbutrin, you would get over the sleep thing. And you take stimulants also don't you? Its posible..Maybe the stimulant puts you to sleep. But I would rule out the celexa first.
Seb
Posted by cybercafe on September 16, 2003, at 23:36:28
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 16, 2003, at 19:26:36
> Just remember pill spliting, since you arn't going through a medical insurance company, you can buy 90 day supply of 30 mgs and cut, its cheaper this way, if you reserch a cheap pharmacy, any pharmacy would give you a lower price on a larger supply but some are cheaper than others.
i was intending to buy 30mg and cut, but i wasn't aware that buying a 90 day supply was cheaper than buying 3 30 day supplies, is it?
> Are you just trying not to sleep all day? Iwell i'd like to go from 12,13,14 i get now to at most 9 hours
>think if you switch celexa to wellbutrin, you would get over the sleep thing. And you take
true.... but i think serotonin plays a role in my depression
>stimulants also don't you? Its posible..Maybe the stimulant puts you to sleep. But I would rule out the celexa first.
i dunno... i think the problem is that i don't get excited about anything.... no hopes or plans or goals or motivation... but otherwise my depression is gone
Posted by cybercafe on September 16, 2003, at 23:38:15
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 16, 2003, at 19:26:36
btw.. dunno if i asked this before.... but i heard abilify has antidepressant properties....... how do they compare to something like celexa or wellbutrin?
Posted by Sebastian on September 17, 2003, at 12:21:48
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 16, 2003, at 23:36:28
I think you should give 15 mgs a try, just for a couple of days, maybe 3. It will help get the medicine in your system faster and hopfully get you out of sleep cycle. Then go back down to 7.5, if it works and the 7.5 doesen't work after, consider 10mgs.
Seb
Posted by Sebastian on September 17, 2003, at 12:23:15
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 16, 2003, at 23:38:15
A little similar.
Posted by cybercafe on September 17, 2003, at 18:02:33
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by Sebastian on September 17, 2003, at 12:23:15
> A little similar.
so abilify could do just as much good as celexa at beating depression?
i should talk to my doc about decreasing my dose, hmmmm
Posted by cybercafe on September 17, 2003, at 18:03:27
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 17, 2003, at 12:21:48
> I think you should give 15 mgs a try, just for a couple of days, maybe 3. It will help get the medicine in your system faster and hopfully get you out of sleep cycle. Then go back down to 7.5, if it works and the 7.5 doesen't work after, consider 10mgs.
good advice.. thanks bro :)
Posted by cybercafe on September 18, 2003, at 13:50:33
In reply to Re: Cybercafe ! Abilify, posted by Sebastian on September 17, 2003, at 12:23:15
hmmm.. i'm starting to get the "awake but feel tired" feeling........ i'm sleeping less which is good... but i will probably decrease my dose a bit
Posted by Sebastian on September 19, 2003, at 12:03:51
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 18, 2003, at 13:50:33
So it wasn't just me!?.. Try 10mg.?
How much less sleep? In total hours.
You still aught to try adding some wellbutrin to the mix even if you can't stop the celexa. 100-200mgs.
Seb
Posted by cybercafe on September 19, 2003, at 12:33:05
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 19, 2003, at 12:03:51
> So it wasn't just me!?.. Try 10mg.?
i don't like the awake but tired feeling, so i'm going back to 3.75 or 5.125 mg
> How much less sleep? In total hours.dude it was hard to figure out at first cuz i would have trouble falling asleep at night (how od you combat this?) but now i'm thinking i must be getting about 6 hours of sleep (yahoo!) ....
> You still aught to try adding some wellbutrin to the mix even if you can't stop the celexa. 100-200mgs.i'm pretty content.... my biggest problem now is mild depression (want to switch ADs) and no libido
all i need is a little more AD effect, and i could get a really nice job
Posted by Sebastian on September 19, 2003, at 19:12:47
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 19, 2003, at 12:33:05
Have you timed your sleep? Your down to 6 hours a night? Is that since 15 mgs? Do you still take Celexa during this? 5mgs might do the trick now to get away from the sleep? Wouldn't that be a nice supply! I did notice you were staying up later and later every night, sort of how I did on 15. when I had gotten abilified out my doc suggested taking the zyprexa with it; helps with sleep.
Sebastian
P.S. Have you not tried wellbutrin??It has less negative effects!.
Posted by cybercafe on September 20, 2003, at 1:44:02
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 19, 2003, at 19:12:47
> Have you timed your sleep? Your down to 6 hours a night? Is that since 15 mgs? Do you still take
nope i have only taken 7.5 mg a day, and i havn't even given that time to build up in my body to steady-state bloodlevels..
i took only 3.75 mg today, and i'll see if i can stick with it.. if i start to sleep too much, i'll take 5.125 mg
>Celexa during this? 5mgs might do the trick now to get away from the sleep? Wouldn't that be a
yeah i still take the celexa... i wonder if i can reduce to 40 mg and keep the AD effect but lose the side effects (libido! apathy!)
>nice supply! I did notice you were staying up later and later every night, sort of how I did on 15. when I had gotten abilified out my doc suggested taking the zyprexa with it; helps with sleep.yeah i wonder how long it takes to get used to sleeping on abilify of course i am also taking it with a stimulant ... ritalin... so who knows which is to blame
> P.S. Have you not tried wellbutrin??It has less negative effects!.
no dude.... remember i am already on 4 drugs! i'm looking to switch rather than add :)
Posted by Sebastian on September 20, 2003, at 11:04:47
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 20, 2003, at 1:44:02
Do you pay a co-pay on meds in Canada?
If you took 7.5 now for a week you are almost at steady state with 30mgs in your system, true would be 36. If you go down to 3.75, steady will be 18mgs. If you take 5mgs, steady will be 24 mgs.... So to stay at roughly the same in your system now you would take 5mgs. But I'm guessing 3.75 is enough. Strong medicine? 3 day half life. Have you taken any zyprexa lately?
Sebastian
Posted by cybercafe on September 21, 2003, at 2:11:17
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 20, 2003, at 11:04:47
> Do you pay a co-pay on meds in Canada?
yeah a deductible and $2 co pay...
but for abilify i have to drive to the states (abilify is not available in canada)
> If you took 7.5 now for a week you are almost at steady state with 30mgs in your system, true would be 36. If you go down to 3.75, steady will bei'm curious how you calculate steady state (i tried using a sum of exponential decay converging series, ug)
>18mgs. If you take 5mgs, steady will be 24 mgs.... So to stay at roughly the same in your system now you would take 5mgs. But I'm guessing
yeah you're probably right.... but i think i will go for the lowest dose that will energize me enough ... (how much do you have to take to notice an increase in libido???? or to get your emotions back????)
>3.75 is enough. Strong medicine? 3 day half life. Have you taken any zyprexa lately?
havn't taken zyprexa in a week or two
abilify seems to be a winner.............. but i definately understand why people would want to avoid the feel-tired-but-can't-sleep feeling, yuck!
Posted by Sebastian on September 21, 2003, at 10:07:32
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 21, 2003, at 2:11:17
How big a deductible? On pills?
I used Excel with 7.5=15ek3,>,1 day=.5^(1/3)
So : TodaysDose + (YesterdaysAnswer * (.5^(1/3))) = Remaining in system15 for a week and things were looking 'good'. Can't say I had tested the libido. I noticed emotions here also. I don't have a lot of experience with the lower doses.
I wonder why Abilify's smalest dose is 10mg? Why don't they have a 3 or a 5 mg dose.
Sebastian
Posted by cybercafe on September 22, 2003, at 1:00:51
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 21, 2003, at 10:07:32
> How big a deductible? On pills?
like $600 every 3 months
> I used Excel with 7.5=15ek3,>,1 day=.5^(1/3)
> So : TodaysDose + (YesterdaysAnswer * (.5^(1/3))) = Remaining in systemyep!
> 15 for a week and things were looking 'good'. Can't say I had tested the libido. I noticed emotions here also. I don't have a lot of experience with the lower doses.i don't find myself thinking about sex at all, even though i have about 7 numbers in my pocket... Ugg! ... .but emotions are what really bug me ... did you feel that SSRI apathy when you were on Celexa + Zyprexa ..... i guess wellbutrin helps with that
>
> I wonder why Abilify's smalest dose is 10mg? Why don't they have a 3 or a 5 mg dose.i guess bipolar is more of an offlabel use right now
Posted by Sebastian on September 22, 2003, at 12:37:28
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 22, 2003, at 1:00:51
I think Wellbutrin helps with apathy, I think the abilify does too. Corect me on def of apathy; dull emotions? Zyprexa does this=apathy.
I had that problem when I was on Zyprexa, no sexual interest or loss of libido, had interestees.
I think other illnesses might posibly benifit from a smallar dose of abilify. Sort of how zyprexa has a 2.5mg, which would be the equivelent of 3mg abilify??? I don't understand why abilify starts so high up in doses, 10mg, when 30 is the max?!
Sebastian
Posted by cybercafe on September 22, 2003, at 17:18:09
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on September 22, 2003, at 12:37:28
> I think Wellbutrin helps with apathy, I think the abilify does too. Corect me on def of apathy; dull emotions? Zyprexa does this=apathy.
good... maybe my doc will consider going to 5 meds ... ug...
yes having dull emotions really sucks... don't reacting to interesting/funny/exciting things in the environment
> I had that problem when I was on Zyprexa, no sexual interest or loss of libido, had interestees.yep.... i was disappointed to get off zyprexa nad find my interests were still gone :(
> I think other illnesses might posibly benifit from a smallar dose of abilify. Sort of howi'm sure they would.... i mean i get
a) stable mood (bipolar)
b) increased energy and decreased need for sleep
c) possible increased motivationand no side effects (at 3.75mg)
>zyprexa has a 2.5mg, which would be the equivelent of 3mg abilify??? I don't understand why abilify
starts so high up in doses, 10mg, when 30 is the max?!cuz they want to make sure people take higher dosages, report success with the drug, and it gets a good rep .... then once it gets a good rep, that it actually WORKS, then they can work on having it WORK AND reduce side effects! just a guess
Posted by Lazarus on September 22, 2003, at 18:46:11
In reply to Re: Sebastian ! Abilify, posted by cybercafe on September 22, 2003, at 17:18:09
Hey guy,
I take Abilify and Zyprexa. I was taking 5 mg every other day but now I take 2.5 mg every day. At 2.5 mg I feel more confident, less anxious and more focused than without it. Also, there is no "restlessness" at this low dose. The important thing with Abilify is that you have to learn how to take it over a period of time and to fine-tune the dosage. Once you do that it is a great drug.
Lazarus
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