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Posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 18:56:10
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 11:43:41
I understand it's serious. You don't exactly have to keep drilling that into my head. I am allowed to be curious. A lot of people who post are curious. That is why questions get asked...and answered. I also understand individual variation. However there are norms and trends that others might not be aware of. There's no need to be snippy. Good Lord. Cheer all you want. Boo all you want. It was just a question.
> hi ELENI4
>
> > No, not even close. I quit very early on due to bad SE's, which is why I was just curious. >
>
> i see ...
>
> yes, then in that case, it is does become a speculation of idle curiosity for you ... ... i hope you will understand that this is a subject of great importance to many of us ... ... very great importance ...
>
> so anyway, to satisfy your curiosity .... (and giving my, oh so, humble opinion) ...
>
> individual variation
>
> a folk can have zero SEs and perfect therapeutic response with zero adaptation and zero subsequent withdrawals ... (it COULD happen! ... especially since such a folk would not be likely to post here) ... another folk will have 10 weeks of heavy intense SEs ...
> ... the rarer thing would be to find two folk who had the same SEs
> .... extensive individual variation is the consistent expectation when trying lexapro ...
>
> i would venture that in anything less than 4 weeks, a lex user's not likely to begin to get beyond the initial SEs .... nor it is likely that they would get to therapeutic benefits ....
> .... these are documentable experiences from the pages of this thread on this board ...
>
> still curious ?
>
> "poop out" is Not a consistently reported lexapro experience (imho and from these reports) and still has a mythic spectre shadow-like quality ... ... or whatever ... ... at any rate, the evidence i have seen for lexapro poop out is extremely thin and is (at least) not documentable as an expectation of lexapro ... especially when compared with other ssris ...
>
> hear what i'm saying here?
>
> "NO LEX POOP OUT !"
> "NO LEX POOP OUT ! "
> ... we chant ...
> (they have called me a cheerleader around here ... and now this will be one of our cheers, see?)
> ... ... <and as i would say .... HA!>
>
> anything else you're curious about lex there now ?
>
> and now i'm curious about you, eleni4
> ... ... how you doing there
> ... anyway ?
> ... ... HA!
>
> TAKE CARE!
> ~ jim
>
> p.s.
> to wayne: ... great to see you post, man!
> ~ jim
> p.p.s.
> ...
> ~ HA!
Posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 19:55:54
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 18:56:10
> I understand it's serious. You don't exactly have to keep drilling that into my head. I am allowed to be curious. A lot of people who post are curious. That is why questions get asked...and answered. I also understand individual variation. However there are norms and trends that others might not be aware of. There's no need to be snippy. Good Lord. Cheer all you want. Boo all you want. It was just a question.
Hi, he was not being snippy!!!!!! Its his writing style that makes you think he is. If you read some of his old posts you will see how much he cares for others as he does you!!! TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 20:30:35
In reply to POOP OUT!!!!!!!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 13:26:32
Wayne !
Man! ...
... ... that subject line!
... ... With _your_ pBab name ??
... "hello, jim? ... are ready for our freak out of the day ?" ...
... ... in side my head, it felt like, " eye-eeeeeeeee-i-yikes-a-moon-Doh, Teammates !! "
.... .... i mean this looked like some real bad news, man!_You_ had _Me_ Going there ... ( !!!!!!!!! ) ... man !
... it felt good though ...
... and i came out of it without a scratch on me, too ! ....
... kinda fun, in a rollercoaster kinda way ...man, i am under so little stress, i need to thank you giving me the good awake up .... !
not that i'm complaining or anything ... no way ! .... .... work my last nerve any way that you need to, no sweat ... just so long as it turns Out, you're still doing ... okay? ... okay .... are you doing okay ?
... i'm just so relieved that you're not in a crisis from some would-be poop out crash or who knows what ... ... so, just so long as nothing real dire or urgent is zapnin, we can handle everything else ...
... okay ?oh, And PLEASE, go ahead and “steal” anything i ever write here ... ... if only because i know you will use it for good ...
> >>>>>>>>"poop out" is Not a consistently reported lexapro experience (imho and from these reports) and still has a mythic spectre shadow-like quality ... ... or whatever ... ... at any rate, the evidence i have seen for lexapro poop out is extremely thin and is (at least) not documentable as an expectation of lexapro ... especially when compared with other ssris ...
>
> >>>>>>>>>hear what i'm saying here?
>
> >>>>>>>>"NO LEX POOP OUT !"
> "NO LEX POOP OUT ! "
> ... we chant ...
> (they have called me a cheerleader around here ... and now this will be one of our cheers, see?)
> ... ... <and as i would say .... HA!>
>
> I stole your words here Jim hope you dont mind. I thought maybe I was going through this poop out thing several times. But each time I rebound without doing anything with my dose. Everyone on earth gets depressed and I find that I can figure out now why Im depressed. Such as getting the flu, it makes everyone depressed. My wife drinking gets me depressed at times. My oldest daughter is due in less than 30 days and the baby has not turned. Just stuff everyone deals with day to day in life. Some worry about money and their jobs etc. etc. etc. No matter what med we are on we are going to be depressed about something time to time. When these things that depress us resolve themselves good chance these depressive feelings will go away also as they have with me. Lexapro or any med itself will not stop this type of depression. Now if everything in your life is perfect and you still feel depressed and nothing on earth makes you happy then we have a problem. I also find my anxiety shoots up time to time. Once again I can figure out why if I try. Such as the flu, aches and pains and stress. Everything from the above I would not have even given a second thought to a little over a year ago. But now some of us want to blame everything on our med when things get tough. Some of our problems are just everyday thoughts and feelings of life. Its ok to be depressed time to time, its going to happen and no med is going to stop it!!!! We just have to realize that this is normal for every living person on earth!!!!!!! I hope this makes sense some how!!!!!! HA!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!!!!!!
> WAYNE
>i think we have had lots of evidence of how very different Lexapro can be from the other ssris .... .... and how different it is even from its mother Celexa ... ... comparisons are inevitable in a world full of suffers looking for hope ....
anyway, Wayne, you make perfect sense to me ...
... i got it easier than you and our other posters who fight anxieties ...
... start lex ... they get worse
... change dose ... they get worse
... waitin for kick in ... makes em worse
then, if you're really lucky ... you get relief!
... only to have to be haunted by the possibility of poop out .... making them worse !
... all of this on top of all of the other SEs and symptoms that we are all having to fight ...
>
>but i got to tell you, brother Wayne, i have been worrying about you, man
... i tell what you have already told about yourself here ...... almost all of us come here with some neurochemical challenge and have turned to lexapro for support .... .... we (may) have some neurotransmitter(s) deficiency or another and lexapro helps to build them back up
... which implies that neurochemicals are a limited resource and that we can run out of them ...now this is, of course, just me ... but i think that your dose may be a little too low ... because i think you should have a little more cushion to try to give the neurotransmitters a little more support ... ... so that the bumps on ride of life aren’t quite so harsh ...
... i do hear what you are saying about accepting some dips along the way ... ... and we really wouldn’t want to be happy all the time ... that would be a bad thing ... ... having a full range of functioning emotions is our ideal, and sadness should be included ... must be included in a spectrum of feelings that can let us feel fully alive ...
but i’m fearful that you may be wearing your internal neurochemical factories down ... ... all over again like ...
... .. you came here with one set of neurotransmitter needs .... and lex helped get you stable and your neurochemistry’s feet back on the ground ... ... this, in the face of the challenges you have there at the house there ... ... but things got okay and they are so much better that it looks like heaven by comparison to where you were ........ except (jim fears, here’s where jim crosses the line with his buddy,Wayne) that ... once you got some recovery from lexapro, you used your new neurotransmitter strength to try to help others ... which is a good thing ... ... but then you went beyond our pBab here and poured yourself into all those other boards and then e-mails ... from folks by the dozens ... ... all good and decent things to do ... ... but ... _maybe_, not to the point that it starts to wear down your internal neurochemical strength
... maybe not if the serotonin levels aren’t supported to higher levels ...
just my own humble opinion there, pardner ... ... hope you understand
i’m just trying to suggest that you might want to consider if you’re strecthing yourself too thin there ...
... and ...
if you should think about going up a Little bit ...... anyway ...
TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 20:37:26
In reply to Re: POOP OUT!!!!!!!!!! » BLKVETTES, posted by Arrianna on September 13, 2003, at 16:19:55
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 20:54:30
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 18:56:10
hi Eleni4,
would you please accept my humble apology for being snippy with you ....
... honestly, it wasn't intended to be snippy ...
... in fact, i liked your question and very much appreciate your post
... it has opened up discission here and that's always a good thing ...... i have been guilty (on fairly regular basis since i began taking lexapro) of getting oversensitive in anicipaton of other people's feelings ... ... and managing to make things worse when i'm trying to help .... i am sorry i had a negative effect on you ... ... for what little it may be worth, it was unintentional ...
... i have some close friends here who suffer from anxiety here ... i worry about them ....
i know of no expectation of any lexapro poop out at any time ... including 4 months
i hope you will forgive me
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 21:03:23
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 19:55:54
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 21:13:19
In reply to Re: Lexapro dissapeared PMS POWER SURGES » Saran, posted by galkeepinon on September 13, 2003, at 16:38:45
hi Saran and hi Gal,
> Hooray for Lexapro!!!
> Keep feeling good:-)
>> > I have been on Xanax for years for anxiety/panic dissorder. Xanax worked great...no problems,...till I got "that age" then PMS symptoms raged. Hormone replacement seemed risky, but mood swings and "power surges" were awful. Dr. suggested I try Lexapro 10mg. Wow! After two weeks no "power surges" and family votes I'm more mellow to live with. Had recent hystroectomy and still no PMS symptoms.
>
>Gal, you are right, this is a great post!
... seems like such high praise and an important endorsement for lex ....
... who else can we tell ?Thank You very much, Saran!
... and please do keep us posted here and ...
TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
Posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:22:03
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by hope2003 on February 7, 2003, at 16:12:49
Hey Jim, everything is cool here right now. Im gaining strength again. I have 2 people I confide in. One, she reads my posts on other boards and tells me when Im over my head. We were diagnosed with the same thing. She has suffered for more than 10 years. I lean on her experience with meds and she always steers me right. I have a daily routine and when I get off it bad things happen. My biggest problem is going to way to many boards. I need balance and my friend reminds me of this. The other person is the only person on earth that I trust with how Im thinking and feeling. She was the first person I emailed and we have shared in each others recovery. She has a calming affect on me!!!!!!! I know exactly why this month has been like it has!!!! I have experimented with my dose more times than you can count. Everytime I have gone up I get depressed and my anxiety shoots up. At the dose Im at I have plenty of ammunition should I need it. Thanks for caring JIM!!! take care!!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:27:24
In reply to BLKVETTES AND LEXAPRO, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:22:03
You women have had everything under control on this board. I read every post and felt no need to post. You guys are great just wanted you all to know that. Please dont leave no matter how great you feel!!! Stay and help the newbies!!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 23:44:40
In reply to BLKVETTES AND LEXAPRO, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:22:03
Posted by galkeepinon on September 14, 2003, at 0:28:58
In reply to re: Lexapro dissapeared PMS POWER SURGES, posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 21:13:19
>>>>>>>>>>Gal, you are right, this is a great post!
> ... seems like such high praise and an important endorsement for lex ....
> ... who else can we tell ?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm jim, the FDA, my neighbor, my college, my grandmother, my cousins, my aunt, uncle, the town I live in, the hospital I was born at, the cops, the forensic team, the docs, the therapists, the.the.......the.....
EVERYONE:-)
You get the point my friend;)
TAKE CARE !!
Posted by Arrianna on September 14, 2003, at 0:29:41
In reply to THE WOMEN ARE GREAT!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:27:24
What'd you expect?? We're women! Ha. Lol. That was so nice of you to post. Yet, we all make this board go round.
But, you're right: women are great! Don't ever forget that. Lol.
Arrianna
Posted by galkeepinon on September 14, 2003, at 0:47:52
In reply to THE WOMEN ARE GREAT!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:27:24
Thank you Wayne! We all make up this board ~we ALL couldn't do it without each other! hehehe It's funny you posted this because I was thinking recently that when I do feel better, I am going to stay! Of course!!!! I will try my hardest to make sure I dish out the help that I have been given.
(((((((HUGS TO ALL)))))))
TAKE CARE!!!
> You women have had everything under control on this board. I read every post and felt no need to post. You guys are great just wanted you all to know that. Please dont leave no matter how great you feel!!! Stay and help the newbies!!!!!
> WAYNE
Posted by lil' jimi on September 14, 2003, at 1:29:27
In reply to THE WOMEN ARE GREAT!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:27:24
> You women have had everything under control on this board. I read every post and felt no need to post. You guys are great just wanted you all to know that. Please dont leave no matter how great you feel!!! Stay and help the newbies!!!!!
> WAYNEWe have been blessed with this current class of cadets here alright ...
... ... Praise Be to The Women !!... GalKeepinOn
... Arrianna
... Esmarelda
... Mariposa
... you have each been so active, helpful and supportive ... thank you very much ... ... i know many of our lex threaders feel the same way ...
AND! trucker, Renee the Ump, sassyveg, ELENI4, KayJ, Lex Poster Girl ... (and quietly in the background i see pumpkin and oldhand ... ... maybe DC?) ... (do i recall or did i just read the posts of EGR, sadsack, bozeman?) and many others who have made valuable, thoughtful and often vital contributions as well ... ... thanks gals !so ...
... You Go, Girls !
... ... you have been great
... we have all been blessed to have you here ...
... and i am grateful to each of you ....
bless you,
~ jim(how'd i do Wayne?)
Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 6:28:31
In reply to re: The Women ARE Great !!!!, posted by lil' jimi on September 14, 2003, at 1:29:27
You are too kind, just trying to pay back!!!!
Take care #1 CHEERLEADER!!!
~~~8|8
Posted by BLKVETTES on September 14, 2003, at 11:54:06
In reply to re: The Women ARE Great !!!!, posted by lil' jimi on September 14, 2003, at 1:29:27
> > You women have had everything under control on this board. I read every post and felt no need to post. You guys are great just wanted you all to know that. Please dont leave no matter how great you feel!!! Stay and help the newbies!!!!!
> > WAYNE
>
> We have been blessed with this current class of cadets here alright ...
> ... ... Praise Be to The Women !!
>
> ... GalKeepinOn
> ... Arrianna
> ... Esmarelda
> ... Mariposa
> ... you have each been so active, helpful and supportive ... thank you very much ... ... i know many of our lex threaders feel the same way ...
>
>
> AND! trucker, Renee the Ump, sassyveg, ELENI4, KayJ, Lex Poster Girl ... (and quietly in the background i see pumpkin and oldhand ... ... maybe DC?) ... (do i recall or did i just read the posts of EGR, sadsack, bozeman?) and many others who have made valuable, thoughtful and often vital contributions as well ... ... thanks gals !
>
> so ...
>
> ... You Go, Girls !
> ... ... you have been great
> ... we have all been blessed to have you here ...
> ... and i am grateful to each of you ....
>
>
> bless you,
> ~ jim
>
> (how'd i do Wayne?)Hi Jim, knowing you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You did not miss anyone!!!!!!!! Guess we should change subject before that little warning is posted by our friend!!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 14:55:08
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
Thank you for your replies. This morning I feel terrible, I have muscle aches in my shoulders and neck , am very tired , probably partially from high pollen alergy count. Today I start my 5th week of 10 mg. lexapro and am still waiting for this stuff to kick in. I took a little Klonopin to ease what I feel might be a little anxiety, but it has made me more sedated feeling.
If I am up and about already the Klonopin does not make me tired but just calms me, but now I feel like I am so tired that Im just want to lay in bed and do nothing, I really hate this whole feeling, please help
Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 15:47:12
In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 14:55:08
> Thank you for your replies. This morning I feel terrible, I have muscle aches in my shoulders and neck , am very tired , probably partially from high pollen alergy count. Today I start my 5th week of 10 mg. lexapro and am still waiting for this stuff to kick in. I took a little Klonopin to ease what I feel might be a little anxiety, but it has made me more sedated feeling.
> If I am up and about already the Klonopin does not make me tired but just calms me, but now I feel like I am so tired that Im just want to lay in bed and do nothing, I really hate this whole feeling, please helpYou are right at the point where I almost gave up, but I hung on because of all the great support I got from this board.
I remember feeling like my eyes had lids of lead, and feet too. I felt heavy, like a turtle, and I couldn't motivate. At work I was practically useless, I got tired immediately, got the shakes, shortness of breath. I just felt BAD and depressed.
About this time I increased from 5mg to 10mg, and looking at my old posts from weeks 6-8, it was not obvious to me at the time, but the Lex actually did start to work and I was doing better. By the 9th week there was no doubt and all these side effects had gone away and I was so much BETTER!!!
I know it's tough, I had to really force myself to get going in the mornings and during the day, and to keep taking the Lex. Hopefully, you too will soon experience some of the *benefits* of Lexapro.
Best of luck and keep us posted on your progress!~~~8|8
Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 15:56:54
In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman, posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 15:47:12
Thganks, Mariposa. When did you start taking the 10 mg. lexapro and how long till you felt the effects, it wasn't nine weeks was it? Did it take that long?
Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 16:15:20
In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 15:56:54
Mariposa, how long did you have this eyes feel like lead feeling and what week were you into of Lexapro. Did you have the muscle aches in shoulder and neck and the fatigue that comes with it? Did you feel better at night , especially hours before bedtime, I seem to feel better whwn it gets dark outside , I know it's strange , but I must have strong anxiety in the daytime. Do you think the Lexapro makes you tired and sedated, what time of the day did you take it,I take it after dinner,
Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 16:37:38
In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 15:56:54
> Thganks, Mariposa. When did you start taking the 10 mg. lexapro and how long till you felt the effects, it wasn't nine weeks was it? Did it take that long?
Started 10mg toward end of week 5. I guess I didn't quite explain in my last post, I couldn't *tell* it was working until week 9, I didn't realize what was going on as I have never taken these types of meds befor. It actually started working in week 6, but I didn't realize it at the time. I look at my old posts and I'm saying *hey what's up I don't feel anything I thought this stuff was supposed to be working by now what gives?* but I can tell that my posts were *different* does that make any sense???
Then one day I was sitting on the couch w/husband and something funny came on TV, and I actually LAUGHED and it felt GOOD and I realized I FEEL GOOD!!!! It hit me all of a sudden and that's when I was SURE Lex was working, somewhere in week 9.
Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 16:52:24
In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 16:15:20
> Mariposa, how long did you have this eyes feel like lead feeling and what week were you into of Lexapro. Did you have the muscle aches in shoulder and neck and the fatigue that comes with it? Did you feel better at night , especially hours before bedtime, I seem to feel better whwn it gets dark outside , I know it's strange , but I must have strong anxiety in the daytime. Do you think the Lexapro makes you tired and sedated, what time of the day did you take it,I take it after dinner,
If I remember right, the Heavy fatigue/lethargy/aches & pains went into 6th week, maybe even 7th. I also started @ 5mg and had TERRIBLE side effects. If you were not so far along I would have considered cutting back to 5mg, but you are *almost there*!!
I was taking dose in the morning to begin, and had terrible headaches at nite first couple of weeks. Then I started falling asleep right after dinner, I couldn't stay awake. So I moved to taking dose w/dinner. That worked for a while, then I started catching a *buzz* in the evening and I was up all nite cleaning house. Moved to afternoons and still had trouble going to bed, so now I'm back to taking in the morning again.
For me the tiredness, lethargy, etc. was deffinitely a side effect of the Lex, I have none of those problems now. I would have to force myself to get out of bed and get moving, and it really seemed like after a while the *tired* feeling was all in my lazy head, as when I got the body moving, the head decided it really wasn't tired after all. I really hope my *goofy* descriptive style is not annoying, but I try to write what I remember *feeling* at the time.
Hope this helps!~~~8|8
Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 17:03:01
In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman, posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 16:52:24
Mariposa, thanks for the input, that gives me more hope.If you remember anything else, please let me know
Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 17:10:36
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.
Posted by galkeepinon on September 14, 2003, at 18:38:57
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 17:10:36
Yeah, I feel better, for some reason, when it gets dark. I find myself having more energy for some reason.
> Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.
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