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Posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 0:17:07
In reply to can't wake upzzz, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 22, 2003, at 20:48:32
hi 2beornot2benuts,
thanks for posting here in 'happyland'! ..welcome aboard !
> Hello to all in HappyLand! This is my first post, and I have to say Thank God that you guys are here! I came here so many times when going through withdrawl and panic, and reading all your trials and tribulations helped like no one else possibly could! I just stopped taking 150mg of effexor two nights ago, and I'm taking 10mg of lexapro instead, and today I sleptwalked through the day. Can't figure out (for a change) if it's withdrawl or the new med, or a fabulous combo. My worthless pdoc said give it a few days so your body can adjust. Great.Thanks. I'm sure my two kids (2+8yrs old) wont mind MOMMIEZOMBIE one bit! Should I brew some espresso,pop some diet pills, or visit my friendly neighborhood crystalmeth representative? Does this sleep affect end soon? If so, please let me know. Till then, Thankzzz
2(!?) and 8!? year olds? .... we only have our 4 yr old and we outnumber him! yikes!
i haven't taken effexor (although the last time i was at my gp's she offered effexor as an alternative to lexapro) but from what i've read here, effexor withdrawals are (sometimes; for some people) as bad as it gets for ADs ...... more good "news" : lexapro usually has adaptation SEs ... mine lasted about 9 days ... . for a week i felt like i had the flu ... and my 3rd day of lex was my worst, anxiety attacks .... but by a week they were easily tolerable and by 2 weeks they were gone ... but i believe mine was an exceptionally easy experience when compared to those who have had bad SEs for 6, 7, 8 or more weeks, it happens ....
don't get 2B2Nuts, zombie mom .... write to us here .... we listen ... tell us how it's going.
folks want to help ... they've helped me. ....peace,
TAKE CARE!!!! (hey, where's wayne!!!!!)
~ jimp.s. i can't see where a cup of coffee would do any harm ... or three ..... i drink a lot myself ... love coffee ... well, i really like that good strong coffee flavor, in my milk and sugar.... i realy like coffee ice cream!
.... sorry ... i'll be quiet now.
~ j
Posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 1:06:48
In reply to can't wake upzzz, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 22, 2003, at 20:48:32
> Hello to all in HappyLand! This is my first post, and I have to say Thank God that you guys are here! I came here so many times when going through withdrawl and panic, and reading all your trials and tribulations helped like no one else possibly could! I just stopped taking 150mg of effexor two nights ago, and I'm taking 10mg of lexapro instead, and today I sleptwalked through the day. Can't figure out (for a change) if it's withdrawl or the new med, or a fabulous combo. My worthless pdoc said give it a few days so your body can adjust. Great.Thanks. I'm sure my two kids (2+8yrs old) wont mind MOMMIEZOMBIE one bit! Should I brew some espresso,pop some diet pills, or visit my friendly neighborhood crystalmeth representative? Does this sleep affect end soon? If so, please let me know. Till then, Thankzzz
Hi there, its going to take 3 or 4 weeks to see where you really are. You will probably have some withdrawl from the old med mixed in with side effects from the lexapro. Like lil jimi said the effexor has shown to have bad withdrawl symptoms. If you only get tired from this you are lucky. Not trying to scare you but things could get worse. But they will pass!!!!! Hang in there and keep posting. This board gets slow at times but you can go back and look at old posts that have great info. GOOD LUCK AND TAKE CARE!!!!!!
WAYNE A special shout to lil jimi, are you sure you suffer from depression!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!
Posted by JLM on May 23, 2003, at 2:57:49
In reply to Re: %'s/see bottom » pharmrep, posted by dr dave on November 25, 2002, at 5:49:32
> > > > > Dear Pharmrep,
> > > > >
> > > > > Good to see you back! The idea that Lexapro has fewer side-effects than Celexa seems to be floating around again. I presented the most recent and accurate data on this a while back and invited your comments. I may have missed them so forgive me if I am needlessly repeating myself, but it would be good to be clear about your views on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The relative side-effects of Lexapro and Celexa are as follows
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Side effect..........................Lexapro..............Celexa
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Headache............................15.8%..............19.9%
> > > > > > Nausea................................15.0%..............17.2%
> > > > > > Ejaculation disorder..............9.3%(of men)...8.8%
> > > > > > Insomnia..............................9.2%................8.6%
> > > > > > Diarrhoea.............................8.0%...............10.8%
> > > > > > Somnolence.........................6.9%................4.7%
> > > > > > Mouth dry............................6.2%...............8.1%
> > > > > > Upper resp tract infection.....6.2%...............3.9%
> > > > > > Dizziness..............................6.0%...............5.6%
> > > > > > Flu-like symptoms................5.0%...............6.1%
> > > > > > Rhinitis.................................4.9%...............5.6%
> > > > > > Sinusitis................................4.3%...............5.1%
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Overall, the type and frequency of TEAEs (treatment-emergent adverse events) reported with escitalopram and citalopram were very similar, and are in line with AEs reported for citalopram previously. For the TEAEs listed (above) there were no statistically significant differences for incidences of these events between the escitalopram and citalopram treatment groups.'
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the official information from Lundbeck about relative side-effects. I wonder if you still stand by the comments that Lexapro has fewer side-effects than Celexa, and that Celexa causes somnolence while Lexapro does not?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >***** I'm not sure i agree with all those %'s...i need to get my package inserts for both and will post (ie...Celexa nausea was 21%, not 17, and I know somnolence for celexa was 18%, not 4...but I will post what the U.S. P.I's state)...as for Lundbeck...the European studies and #'s are done separately from the U.S....I dont think they should be much different, it depends on the parameters of the study.
> > > >
> > > =====================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > You can't really compare package inserts (is that what P.I.s are?) as they are measuring incidences of side-effects in different populations. The best way to get an accurate comparison is to compare incidences in the same population, as I have described above.
> > >
> > > Whether you personally agree with the percentages is arguably not the issue - the issue is what is the most accurate scientific data. I don't mean to offend by that, but it is really important that we rely on scientific data rather than personal opinions.
> > >
> > > As an employee of Forest, I assume you will have access to full safety data - could you let us see it?
> >
> > ************* Where did those %'s come from...(they look like P.I. #'s) If they are from a study...can you cite it?...otherwise it looks like it is your opinion...which is why I gave mine.
> > What "full safety" data are you talking about? I doubt I am privy to any material you aren't able to get.
>
> ================================================================
>
> In the UK a drug company has to present data on the incidence of side-effects in clinical trials. This is sometimes referred to as 'safety data'. What I am asking for is the data that is available comparing side-effects from Lexapro and Celexa in direct comparisons. Some of these have been done outside the US and therefore seem, for some reason I don't fully understand, not to count. But some studies directly comparing the two have been done in the US, by Forest, and we should be able to see the results of these trials. If you cannot provide this information that Forest holds, could you explain why it is being withheld?
>
> The data is from the Gorman meta-analysis, the source is Lundbeck. Check with them if you want to be sure.
>
>Speaking of the Gorman meta analysis, is there anywhere I can read the full text online?
Much appreciated!
Posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 10:50:05
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
Hi all. I have been diagnosed with moderate-severe depression in the last few months. Couldnt sleep, scared to go out in public, spacey, quiet, irritable, worried, etc. Have gone from Zoloft to Effexor to Lexapro. I have pretty severe migraine headaches and take imitrex for them or even Vicodine if needed. I have IBS as well. I am a person that is very afraid of doctors to start with but that is a story from my past. I worked for the last 20 years as a tool and die maker and last fall got laid off. I am starting my own business right now that is very different than what I have done in the past but know I can do it. My father died from booze when I was much younger and it was not a pretty site. Though he never really gave me any support in much that I can remember. Mom lost her battle to cancer a few years ago that went on for many years of her in and out of 3-6 month hospital stays even coding once while in intensive care holding my hand. She finally died while I watched. Nothing quite like seeing your mother wither away to nothing. GOD I hate cancer! My older brother bailed on every responsibilty for taking care of her. The only time he showed up was when he complained how I would be doing things. We even got kicked out of the hospital once for fighting. Anyway, I've got a wonderful wife of 14 years and a perfect 7 year old daughter that I love dearly. My 2 dogs are a great way for me to forget anything! Though I had to put down one pup a year ago after 14 wonderful years with her. Second time I have done that and it was very hard on all of us especially my daughter. Its hard to be the big strong daddy when you feel like crying just as much as she does. Basically, the doc wants me to see some consoler and I have a very hard time talking about stuff like this with people. It seems a lot easier for me to type this and see what you guys think. First this doc told my wife to take away my hand guns even though I would never think of using them on myself or anyone other than someone breaking in and threating my family. Then she starts asking me about my sex drive. Around this time I start to really get uncomfortable. Should I see this other doc or what? Am I a nut? Normal? I am just tired of feeling like this HELP?!
Posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 11:54:07
In reply to Re: can't wake upzzz, posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 1:06:48
hey WAYNE!
> .....
>GOOD LUCK AND TAKE CARE!!!!!!
> WAYNE
>A special shout to lil jimi, are you sure you suffer from depression!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!
> ......"are you sure you suffer from depression"?
you know, recently i have taken that question seriously!
i have always asked anyone who'd listen why they thought i was depressed .... i have never really felt like i felt depressed.
but my wife really does know me better than i do, which is not all that hard to do, and i can depend on her and her prespective .... and she and my gp agree....... so what do *i* know?
actually, i have noticed that i do feel great ....
and i'm even starting to think about getting the motivated/initative/productive-thing i have been missing, up and going again .... that has been my big weakness (aka The symptom of my 'depression').but lately i have been way cheerful .... to the point that i have wondered about being "over-medicated".... i Am so way Not sad now.
(there have also been some things that have happened, independent of lexapro, which have been wonderful in my life, which *should* contribute to me having my positive mood, and for which i am grateful if dismayed somewhat .... i think it may be for the best if i don't bore the folks (some of whom have suffered immense tragedies) with my good news, which even though it's good, i'm still not handing real well .... (?))
i'm imagining my own form of depression is not a mood disorder now so much as a motivational dysfunction ..... eh, maybe.
in fact lately i have been annoyingly cheerful to the point that i have gotten complaints!
now i think i'll just keep on keeping on here and if anyone complains too much .....
well, shouldn't i just beat the crap out of them, if they can't take a joke?
and
doesn't that help me vent that weird underlying rage that seems to never go away?on 2nd thought, i don't think i'll cut back on the lex ....... right now anyway.
peace to you, wayne, and
TAKE CARE !!!!!!!!
~ jim
Posted by Okpolosi on May 23, 2003, at 12:25:40
In reply to Re: lil jimi thanks Okpolosi (2nd installment) » Okpolosi, posted by lil' jimi on May 22, 2003, at 16:36:12
>
> if the opposite of depression is cheer, then wouldn't cheer be the anti-depression? ... and therefore, would a cheerleader be an antidepressant?
>
> i still wonder if i am over-medicating it here (?)
>
> peace to you and TAKE CARE!!!!!!!! (hey, wayne!)
> ~ jimI hope this will last.....We're all doing SOOOO GREAT....when is the other shoe going to fall???
The vacation was badly needed....work can be SUCH a downer!!!!
MR. ANTI-Depressor over caffinated Cheerboy.....we need to come up w/our own "CHEER" to get us all MOTIVATED!!!! Anyone out there good at making up cheers???
I sure hope this lasts....feeling great even though everyone keeps calling me here at work expecting me to be in 4 places at ONCE!!!
HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT DAY!!!!
Posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 13:21:42
In reply to Re: Depressed? Me? gimme my lexapro!! Ha! » blkvettes, posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 11:54:07
> hey WAYNE!
>
> > .....
> >GOOD LUCK AND TAKE CARE!!!!!!
> > WAYNE
> >A special shout to lil jimi, are you sure you suffer from depression!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!
> > ......
>
> "are you sure you suffer from depression"?
>
> you know, recently i have taken that question seriously!
>
> i have always asked anyone who'd listen why they thought i was depressed .... i have never really felt like i felt depressed.
>
> but my wife really does know me better than i do, which is not all that hard to do, and i can depend on her and her prespective .... and she and my gp agree....... so what do *i* know?
>
> actually, i have noticed that i do feel great ....
> and i'm even starting to think about getting the motivated/initative/productive-thing i have been missing, up and going again .... that has been my big weakness (aka The symptom of my 'depression').
>
> but lately i have been way cheerful .... to the point that i have wondered about being "over-medicated".... i Am so way Not sad now.
>
> (there have also been some things that have happened, independent of lexapro, which have been wonderful in my life, which *should* contribute to me having my positive mood, and for which i am grateful if dismayed somewhat .... i think it may be for the best if i don't bore the folks (some of whom have suffered immense tragedies) with my good news, which even though it's good, i'm still not handing real well .... (?))
>
> i'm imagining my own form of depression is not a mood disorder now so much as a motivational dysfunction ..... eh, maybe.
>
> in fact lately i have been annoyingly cheerful to the point that i have gotten complaints!
>
> now i think i'll just keep on keeping on here and if anyone complains too much .....
> well, shouldn't i just beat the crap out of them, if they can't take a joke?
> and
> doesn't that help me vent that weird underlying rage that seems to never go away?
>
> on 2nd thought, i don't think i'll cut back on the lex ....... right now anyway.
>
Hi Jim, sometimes I have to read your posts twice to figure out what the heck your talking about. Do you see a pdoc? I would love to sit in on one of your sessions. As far as your motivation dysfunction, I feel this is my problem right now. But I did get a haircut today and went in 2 stores and have gained interest in my over all appearance again. This is the first haircut in over 7 months. Dont worry Jim, I have always had long hair. Women say they wish they had my hair. But Im slowly getting motivation and regaining that zest for life in spite of all that goes on around me. You just keep posting and I will keep trying to figure out what your talking about. TAKE CARE!!!!!!!
WAYNE
> peace to you, wayne, and
> TAKE CARE !!!!!!!!
> ~ jim
Posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 13:34:18
In reply to New guy with many questions needs direction, posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 10:50:05
> Hi all. I have been diagnosed with moderate-severe depression in the last few months. Couldnt sleep, scared to go out in public, spacey, quiet, irritable, worried, etc. Have gone from Zoloft to Effexor to Lexapro. I have pretty severe migraine headaches and take imitrex for them or even Vicodine if needed. I have IBS as well. I am a person that is very afraid of doctors to start with but that is a story from my past. I worked for the last 20 years as a tool and die maker and last fall got laid off. I am starting my own business right now that is very different than what I have done in the past but know I can do it. My father died from booze when I was much younger and it was not a pretty site. Though he never really gave me any support in much that I can remember. Mom lost her battle to cancer a few years ago that went on for many years of her in and out of 3-6 month hospital stays even coding once while in intensive care holding my hand. She finally died while I watched. Nothing quite like seeing your mother wither away to nothing. GOD I hate cancer! My older brother bailed on every responsibilty for taking care of her. The only time he showed up was when he complained how I would be doing things. We even got kicked out of the hospital once for fighting. Anyway, I've got a wonderful wife of 14 years and a perfect 7 year old daughter that I love dearly. My 2 dogs are a great way for me to forget anything! Though I had to put down one pup a year ago after 14 wonderful years with her. Second time I have done that and it was very hard on all of us especially my daughter. Its hard to be the big strong daddy when you feel like crying just as much as she does. Basically, the doc wants me to see some consoler and I have a very hard time talking about stuff like this with people. It seems a lot easier for me to type this and see what you guys think. First this doc told my wife to take away my hand guns even though I would never think of using them on myself or anyone other than someone breaking in and threating my family. Then she starts asking me about my sex drive. Around this time I start to really get uncomfortable. Should I see this other doc or what? Am I a nut? Normal? I am just tired of feeling like this HELP?!
Hi there, you have had to deal with some pretty bad things in your life. My wife is an alcoholic so I understand that watching your dad was not easy. The rest of what you talk about is rather depressing also. But you have a great wife and daughter. My 9 year old daughter has kept me going the last 7 months. If it was not for her I may not be writing this right now. But I guess to answer your question you should see the counselor. You have nothing to lose and your doing it for your wife and daughter also. Go a few times and if not comfortable see someone else. How long you been on lexapro? It has given me my life back!!!!!! Good luck with your business and dont let it get you down if it does not go well. Keep posting!!!! It helps!!!! Go see the counselor and just let it out like you did here!!!!! GOD BLESS!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 14:37:55
In reply to Re: New guy with many questions needs direction, posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 13:34:18
> Hi there, you have had to deal with some pretty bad things in your life. My wife is an alcoholic so I understand that watching your dad was not easy. The rest of what you talk about is rather depressing also. But you have a great wife and daughter. My 9 year old daughter has kept me going the last 7 months. If it was not for her I may not be writing this right now. But I guess to answer your question you should see the counselor. You have nothing to lose and your doing it for your wife and daughter also. Go a few times and if not comfortable see someone else. How long you been on lexapro? It has given me my life back!!!!!! Good luck with your business and dont let it get you down if it does not go well. Keep posting!!!! It helps!!!! Go see the counselor and just let it out like you did here!!!!! GOD BLESS!!!!
> WAYNE
>
>
Thanks Wayne, I have been taking Lexapro for about 2 weeks now. Its been a little better for me so far, but that could be because she was weening me off the Effexor little by little at the same time. About the biggest complaint I have with the Lexapro is going to sound weird probably. I am sweating like a pig!!!! If I go and cut the grass in shorts and its 55 outside, I will look as wet as if I just came out of the shower! Pretty disgusting! No, I am not overweight or anything, I have never sweated like this in my life! I wonder what will happen when it hits 90! Another thing that kind of put me off when the doctor first talked to me was her asking me if I was ever molested as a child. Now my dad was not the best dad around, but all he really did is ignore me or verbally abuse us. Kind of put me on the defense a little I guess. Its hell getting old I guess and I keep trying to tell myself that is all that is going on with me. But when I really look at all the signs, I have to start to think with my head instead of my heart I guess!
Posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 15:07:42
In reply to Re: lil jimi thanks, posted by Okpolosi on May 23, 2003, at 12:25:40
Hey Okpolosi!
i wrote you:
> > if the opposite of depression is cheer, then wouldn't cheer be the anti-depression? ... and therefore, would a cheerleader be an antidepressant?
> >
> > i still wonder if i am over-medicating it here (?)
> >
> > peace to you and TAKE CARE!!!!!!!! (hey, wayne!)
> > ~ jim
>and you responded:
> I hope this will last.....We're all doing SOOOO GREAT....when is the other shoe going to fall???
>
> The vacation was badly needed....work can be SUCH a downer!!!!
>
> MR. ANTI-Depressor over caffinated Cheerboy.....we need to come up w/our own "CHEER" to get us all MOTIVATED!!!! Anyone out there good at making up cheers???
>
> I sure hope this lasts....feeling great even though everyone keeps calling me here at work expecting me to be in 4 places at ONCE!!!
>
>
> HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT DAY!!!!i am so glad you are doing well...... it warms my heart so much.
great to hear your vacation went well ... yeah!
hadn't thought about "the other shoe falling" .... yet!
should we put the shout out to the long(er) time lex user and see if there's any reason to fear any "poop out" ?well, i like living this good life and i'll live with the come-what-may, but you are great encouragement to me. ... i appreciate it very much.
i love your idea of our lexapro cheer: "Give a 'L'! .... Give me a 'E'! ... " Nah! gotta do better than that ...
(a thought: besides the cheer; how about a song, too? say "the anti-depression blues"? HA!)!
(say it hasn't already been done!) (!)"nurse! ...another cup o' java!"
TAKE CARE !!! EVERYONE!! !! !! !!!
~ jim
Posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 15:19:42
In reply to Re: New guy with many questions needs direction, posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 14:37:55
> > Hi there, you have had to deal with some pretty bad things in your life. My wife is an alcoholic so I understand that watching your dad was not easy. The rest of what you talk about is rather depressing also. But you have a great wife and daughter. My 9 year old daughter has kept me going the last 7 months. If it was not for her I may not be writing this right now. But I guess to answer your question you should see the counselor. You have nothing to lose and your doing it for your wife and daughter also. Go a few times and if not comfortable see someone else. How long you been on lexapro? It has given me my life back!!!!!! Good luck with your business and dont let it get you down if it does not go well. Keep posting!!!! It helps!!!! Go see the counselor and just let it out like you did here!!!!! GOD BLESS!!!!
> > WAYNE
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks Wayne, I have been taking Lexapro for about 2 weeks now. Its been a little better for me so far, but that could be because she was weening me off the Effexor little by little at the same time. About the biggest complaint I have with the Lexapro is going to sound weird probably. I am sweating like a pig!!!! If I go and cut the grass in shorts and its 55 outside, I will look as wet as if I just came out of the shower! Pretty disgusting! No, I am not overweight or anything, I have never sweated like this in my life! I wonder what will happen when it hits 90! Another thing that kind of put me off when the doctor first talked to me was her asking me if I was ever molested as a child. Now my dad was not the best dad around, but all he really did is ignore me or verbally abuse us. Kind of put me on the defense a little I guess. Its hell getting old I guess and I keep trying to tell myself that is all that is going on with me. But when I really look at all the signs, I have to start to think with my head instead of my heart I guess!
>
Hi there the sweating could be a combination of withdrawl and side effects from the lex. I to had sweating when withdrawling and also from the lex when I first started using it. It should all go away in time. You have to give lex a fair chance also. It could take many more weeks for it to work if its going to. As far as the questions the therapist is asking. At she is trying to help instead of just sitting there and waiting for your time to go by. I hope that makes sense in a good way. I dont fear aging or have a problem with it. But then again I bought a vette a few years ago. I guess thats classic midlife crisis!!!!! Hang in there and hope all goes well. Remember this board gets slow sometimes. You can always read old posts, great info!!!!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 16:02:24
In reply to Re: New guy with many questions needs direction, posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 15:19:42
I also got a Vette a few years ago. It was my dream car I wanted since 1969. I can remember the exact moment in my head, I wanted one ever since then. In 2001 I finally got a brand new Navy Blue delivered at the Museum and everything. Loved washing it and driving it! Last six months I have a hard time doing either. Just don't have the get up and go. Sometimes I feel like I am just a lazy bum.
>
> Hi there the sweating could be a combination of withdrawl and side effects from the lex. I to had sweating when withdrawling and also from the lex when I first started using it. It should all go away in time. You have to give lex a fair chance also. It could take many more weeks for it to work if its going to. As far as the questions the therapist is asking. At she is trying to help instead of just sitting there and waiting for your time to go by. I hope that makes sense in a good way. I dont fear aging or have a problem with it. But then again I bought a vette a few years ago. I guess thats classic midlife crisis!!!!! Hang in there and hope all goes well. Remember this board gets slow sometimes. You can always read old posts, great info!!!!!!!
> WAYNE
>
>
Posted by theo on May 23, 2003, at 16:18:11
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
I just weaned off 20mg Paxil and have been taking 10mg Lexapro for a little over two weeks. I've been experiencing slight nagging nausea, should this go away with more time?
Posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 16:27:53
In reply to New guy with many questions needs direction, posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 10:50:05
hello jimbonicvette and welcome,
glad to have you here at the ol' lexapro thread!
you have had a lot more AD experience than i have .... only AD i've ever had is lex.
jimbo, looks like you got a lot on your plate there and i'm glad you want to share it with us here .... the folks here want to help .... they helped me and many others.
you sure have been through a lot ... .. good to hear your wife and daughter are well and good to you..... my wife of 17 yrs and our 4 yr old are my greatest blessing.
i have never had a psychiatrist nor a psychologist, so i don't know about them, but for as much as this board can help us, i don't think it makes up for in-person talk therapy .... although, i have read here from some who have had psych help and hated it, so they came here ..... i want to encourage you to give it a try anyway
of course i do understand that it is easier to type away to strangers than to talk to a doc face-to-face ..... so maybe you might get an understanding that you could like write it down before you go to a seesion? .... maybe not?
well, keep typing to us here and folks will try to help .....
it can take 4 to 6 weeks for the initial SEs to subside .... i had some heavy sweating episodes while i was adjusting to lex, but that only lasted about 3 or 4 weeks ..... i still have it some but very rarely and much lighter (less sweat).
post when you can!
TAKE CARE!!! (this is wayne's sign off that i like to borrow) (hi wayne!)
~ jim
Posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 16:28:54
In reply to Lexapro and Nausea, posted by theo on May 23, 2003, at 16:18:11
> I just weaned off 20mg Paxil and have been taking 10mg Lexapro for a little over two weeks. I've been experiencing slight nagging nausea, should this go away with more time?
Hi there it should go away in time. The cause could be from the paxil also. Always check with the doc though!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 16:36:50
In reply to Re: New guy with many questions needs direction, posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 16:02:24
> I also got a Vette a few years ago. It was my dream car I wanted since 1969. I can remember the exact moment in my head, I wanted one ever since then. In 2001 I finally got a brand new Navy Blue delivered at the Museum and everything. Loved washing it and driving it! Last six months I have a hard time doing either. Just don't have the get up and go. Sometimes I feel like I am just a lazy bum.
> >
Hi there, mine is black with all the chrome pieces I could buy. My dream car also. My daughter used to say I liked it more than people. I keep mine in the garage!!!! But like you I did not drive or wash it for 6 months. The good news is that I have gotten so much better and am driving again!!!!! I hope the lex gives you back that desire also. You are not LAZY, you are ill and will overcome this as I did. Itruly hope and pray you do!!!! Just remember that little girl you have for motivation!!!! It was not the car for me, it was my daughter that kept me going!!!
WAYNE
Posted by DC on May 23, 2003, at 16:54:06
In reply to Re: Lexapro and Nausea, posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 16:28:54
> > I just weaned off 20mg Paxil and have been taking 10mg Lexapro for a little over two weeks. I've been experiencing slight nagging nausea, should this go away with more time?
>
>
> Hi there it should go away in time. The cause could be from the paxil also. Always check with the doc though!!!!
> WAYNE
>
>
In the beginning I also had nausea, but it eventually
stopped. But, I did have really bad withdrawal
symptoms from the Paxil when I decided to quit it. I
didn't like the way it made me feel. I have been on
Lex for several months and really didn't feel much
of a difference. Just went to the doctor yesterday
and he is weaning me off the Lex and starting me on
Zorloft, along with my Wellbutrin. My brother is on
Zorloft and the doctor says that a lot of times that
the same medication works for family members. Something
about blood type or something. Has anyone else
heard of this?
Posted by Okpolosi on May 23, 2003, at 18:57:09
In reply to Re: New guy with many questions needs direction, posted by jimbonicvette on May 23, 2003, at 14:37:55
Welcome to the board.....hope our support and encouragement can be of help to you. I can tell you this board has been the only thing keeping me going at times.
The sweating problem usually goes away. I had terribly sweaty pits at first, now only occasionally and not as bad.
As someone else mentioned, there is a goldmine of info in previous periods of this thread if you have the time to go back and read. I still do, myself, and it even helps to re-read them!!
Best of luck!
Posted by Okpolosi on May 23, 2003, at 18:59:40
In reply to Lexapro and Nausea, posted by theo on May 23, 2003, at 16:18:11
> I just weaned off 20mg Paxil and have been taking 10mg Lexapro for a little over two weeks. I've been experiencing slight nagging nausea, should this go away with more time?
The nausea from Lex should gradually lessen and go away, usually a couple of weeks at most.
Welcome to the board and best of luck!
Posted by McPac on May 23, 2003, at 19:06:38
In reply to Re: Thank You All -To Hell With This!, posted by stjames on May 21, 2003, at 21:57:27
"because depression & mental illness is not caused by a
chemical imbalance; we disproved this model for
mental illness some time ago, 10-20 years ago
this was the theory, long disproven".What is the current theory?
Posted by Okpolosi on May 23, 2003, at 19:07:52
In reply to Re: lil jimi thanks ... YOU! (ha! hee!) » Okpolosi, posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 15:07:42
> Hey Okpolosi!
>
> i wrote you:
> > > if the opposite of depression is cheer, then wouldn't cheer be the anti-depression? ... and therefore, would a cheerleader be an antidepressant?
> > >
> > > i still wonder if i am over-medicating it here (?)
> > >
> > > peace to you and TAKE CARE!!!!!!!! (hey, wayne!)
> > > ~ jim
> >
>
> and you responded:
> > I hope this will last.....We're all doing SOOOO GREAT....when is the other shoe going to fall???
> >
> > The vacation was badly needed....work can be SUCH a downer!!!!
> >
> > MR. ANTI-Depressor over caffinated Cheerboy.....we need to come up w/our own "CHEER" to get us all MOTIVATED!!!! Anyone out there good at making up cheers???
> >
> > I sure hope this lasts....feeling great even though everyone keeps calling me here at work expecting me to be in 4 places at ONCE!!!
> >
> >
> > HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT DAY!!!!
>
> i am so glad you are doing well...... it warms my heart so much.
>
> great to hear your vacation went well ... yeah!
>
> hadn't thought about "the other shoe falling" .... yet!
> should we put the shout out to the long(er) time lex user and see if there's any reason to fear any "poop out" ?
>
> well, i like living this good life and i'll live with the come-what-may, but you are great encouragement to me. ... i appreciate it very much.
>
> i love your idea of our lexapro cheer: "Give a 'L'! .... Give me a 'E'! ... " Nah! gotta do better than that ...
>
> (a thought: besides the cheer; how about a song, too? say "the anti-depression blues"? HA!)!
> (say it hasn't already been done!) (!)
>
> "nurse! ...another cup o' java!"
>
> TAKE CARE !!! EVERYONE!! !! !! !!!
> ~ jimJava Junkie here...pass a pitcher!!!
If we continue to be so "SOCIAL" Dr. Bob is going to re-direct us, so we should make an effort to include some PSYCHO-BABBLE in our posts!!
I just know this can NOT last, I was not meant to be doing this, and I thought I was a different person...SERIOUSLY!!
So many of us have had such a hard time of it, I feel guilty for being in a good mood.
JUST HOPE IT IS INFECTUOUS (sp?) AND I CAN GIVE IT TO ALL OF YOU!!!
Posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 23, 2003, at 20:06:15
In reply to Re: Lexapro and Nausea, posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 16:28:54
Hello again, I'm in the middle of a shitstorm of sideffects (nausea,wicked headache,dizziness,crying uncontrollably,no appetite, and worst of all suicidal thoughts) my pdoc says, "wait it out, it should pass". I get the feeling he doesn't care, or take me seriously. Time to shop for a new pdoc, he's my 4th. Thanks for letting me vent, Happy Memorial Day Weekend To All...
Posted by sidney on May 23, 2003, at 20:32:07
In reply to Re: Lexapro and Nausea, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 23, 2003, at 20:06:15
For anyone just starting Lexapro and experiencing uncomfortable side effects, I personally recommend trying the oral solution instead of the conventional pills.
The liquid solution tastes a bit like cough syrup and can be dispensed in subtherapuetic doses (aka "microdoses") of as little as 1 mg (or less) to start. As your body becomes accustomed to very small doses of the drug, you can gradually increase at your own pace.
I've taken a little more than a month to work my way up to 5 mg, with zero side effects. This is quite an achievement for me, because I have had to stop taking other ADs due to wicked side effects that made me unable to function at work. I am slowly working my way up to 10 mg of Lexapro.
Under my insurance, Lexapro in liquid form costs the same as in pill form. It does usually need to be special ordered though, so give the pharmacy adequate time to fill the prescription.
Hope that helps some folks!
> Hello again, I'm in the middle of a storm of sideffects (nausea,wicked headache,dizziness,crying uncontrollably,no appetite, and worst of all suicidal thoughts) my pdoc says, "wait it out, it should pass". I get the feeling he doesn't care, or take me seriously. Time to shop for a new pdoc, he's my 4th. Thanks for letting me vent, Happy Memorial Day Weekend To All...
Posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 20:46:01
In reply to Re: Lexapro and Nausea, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 23, 2003, at 20:06:15
> Hello again, I'm in the middle of a sh*tstorm of sideffects (nausea,wicked headache,dizziness,crying uncontrollably,no appetite, and worst of all suicidal thoughts) my pdoc says, "wait it out, it should pass". I get the feeling he doesn't care, or take me seriously. Time to shop for a new pdoc, he's my 4th. Thanks for letting me vent, Happy Memorial Day Weekend To All...
Hi there, are you taking lexapro and for how long if you are. Did all this start with lexapro. Most important, do you have family or friends that can stay with you until you see the pdoc. I know your in a bad place right now. Ive been there myself!!! Reach out to someone around you to get through the weekend!!!!! GOD BLESS!!!
WAYNE
Posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 21:16:08
In reply to Re: lil jimi thanks ... YOU! (ha! hee!) » lil' jimi, posted by Okpolosi on May 23, 2003, at 19:07:52
hi sweet okpolosi!
> > Hey Okpolosi!
> >
> > i wrote you:
> > > > if the opposite of depression is cheer, then wouldn't cheer be the anti-depression? ... and therefore, would a cheerleader be an antidepressant?
> > > >
> > > > i still wonder if i am over-medicating it here (?)
> > > >
> > > > peace to you and TAKE CARE!!!!!!!! (hey, wayne!)
> > > > ~ jim
> > >
> >
> > and you responded:
> > > I hope this will last.....We're all doing SOOOO GREAT....when is the other shoe going to fall???
> > >
> > > The vacation was badly needed....work can be SUCH a downer!!!!
> > >
> > > MR. ANTI-Depressor over caffinated Cheerboy.....we need to come up w/our own "CHEER" to get us all MOTIVATED!!!! Anyone out there good at making up cheers???
> > >
> > > I sure hope this lasts....feeling great even though everyone keeps calling me here at work expecting me to be in 4 places at ONCE!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT DAY!!!!
> >
> > i am so glad you are doing well...... it warms my heart so much.
> >
> > great to hear your vacation went well ... yeah!
> >
> > hadn't thought about "the other shoe falling" .... yet!
> > should we put the shout out to the long(er) time lex user and see if there's any reason to fear any "poop out" ?
> >
> > well, i like living this good life and i'll live with the come-what-may, but you are great encouragement to me. ... i appreciate it very much.
> >
> > i love your idea of our lexapro cheer: "Give a 'L'! .... Give me a 'E'! ... " Nah! gotta do better than that ...
> >
> > (a thought: besides the cheer; how about a song, too? say "the anti-depression blues"? HA!)!
> > (say it hasn't already been done!) (!)
> >
> > "nurse! ...another cup o' java!"
> >
> > TAKE CARE !!! EVERYONE!! !! !! !!!
> > ~ jim
>okay ....
> Java Junkie here...pass a pitcher!!!
>i bought the bargain refill mug from my close-to-work coffee place ... . i knew it was big .... but when i found out that it holds 34 oz. i realized it's more than a QUART !!! .... i really LIKE coffee.
> If we continue to be so "SOCIAL" Dr. Bob is going to re-direct us, so we should make an effort to include some PSYCHO-BABBLE in our posts!!
>oh, we need not worry this time .... we are offering support for our med-related issues, right?
.... for each other and for others ....> I just know this can NOT last, I was not meant to be doing this, and I thought I was a different person...SERIOUSLY!!
>you mean feeling well can not last? .... no real cause to be so pessimistic now .... is there?
what do we think you were meant to be doing?.... what kind of a different person? .... i would not doubt your sincerity .... am i a different person too then ?
> So many of us have had such a hard time of it, I feel guilty for being in a good mood.
>i AM So with you on this one..!
.... sometimes i ... feel like i stole the secret of joy from our suffering brethrern pobrecitos.... then, at other times, i feel i owe it, we owe ... to ourselves, to them .... to feel as good as we can.
we are supposed to recover aren't we?
so shouldn't we feel good about? ... or at least shouldn't we try ?> JUST HOPE IT IS INFECTIOUS AND I CAN GIVE IT TO ALL OF YOU!!!
now that's the spirit!! ... that's Your spirit!!!
.... and maybe lexapro has helped to allow you to let it shine through here ...... nowam i too optimistic for wanting to believe .... that it might be real ?
as always, you have inspired me .... infected me....
TAKE CARE ! !! !! !! ! ! !!!!
~ jim
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