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Posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 12:40:18
In reply to Re: Now I am confused! - Bluedog » jodeye, posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 12:26:07
Hi Larry
The following links provide the grade specs analysis for two forms of Magnesium Chloride I can purchase from a supplier in my city.
1. http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.html
2. http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.html
The second product is slightly more expensive than the first product but they are made by the same company and the supplier in my city can supply either of these products in 500g size.
The next size up is unfortunately 5kg which of course would make it more economical but I don't know how long you could store these products before they go off (if this actually happens at all) and I think it would take me a long time to use up 5kg.
Unfortunately, these specs go way above my chemical knowledge so I'd like to ask you whether you would consider either of these products as suitable for human consumption based on the spec sheet analysis of these products?
If your answer is yes which one would you recommend I purchase?
Thanks in advance Larry
regards
bluedog
Posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 12:55:49
In reply to Re: Thanks Larry - some questions on spec sheets? » Larry Hoover, posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 12:40:18
Sorry about that but the following link http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.html brings you to a page where there is another link on a tab called "products" and when you get to that page then the product codes I'm looking at are as follows.
296-500g and 297-500g
Alternatively (and more simply) you can simply type in magnesium chloride and it will give you links to the products listed under the trade names of Univar and Unilab with another tab called info sheet at each separate product page which gives you the analytical tech sheets.
Sorry about the bother Larry
Regards
bluedog
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 13:19:24
In reply to Re: Thanks Larry - some questions on spec sheets? » Larry Hoover, posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 12:40:18
> Hi Larry
>
> The following links provide the grade specs analysis for two forms of Magnesium Chloride I can purchase from a supplier in my city.
>
> 1. http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.html
>
> 2. http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.htmlThe links didn't work, but I presume that they relate to Univar and Unilab grade mag chloride, respectively?
> The second product is slightly more expensive than the first product but they are made by the same company and the supplier in my city can supply either of these products in 500g size.
Given that they state that Unilab grade meets BP standards, I'd go with the more expensive one.
> The next size up is unfortunately 5kg which of course would make it more economical but I don't know how long you could store these products before they go off (if this actually happens at all) and I think it would take me a long time to use up 5kg.They would be expected to have an indefinite shelf life. There's nothing that can happen if you keep it dry. I'd presume that both the 500 mg and 5 kg containers would be plastic with screw tops. That would be fine.
> Unfortunately, these specs go way above my chemical knowledge so I'd like to ask you whether you would consider either of these products as suitable for human consumption based on the spec sheet analysis of these products?
>
> If your answer is yes which one would you recommend I purchase?
>
> Thanks in advance Larry
>
> regards
> bluedogThe more expensive one.
Lar
Posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 13:56:41
In reply to Re: Thanks Larry - some questions on spec sheets?, posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 13:19:24
> > Hi Larry
> >
> > The following links provide the grade specs analysis for two forms of Magnesium Chloride I can purchase from a supplier in my city.
> >
> > 1. http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.html
> >
> > 2. http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.html
>
> The links didn't work, but I presume that they relate to Univar and Unilab grade mag chloride, respectively?
>
> > The second product is slightly more expensive than the first product but they are made by the same company and the supplier in my city can supply either of these products in 500g size.
>
> Given that they state that Unilab grade meets BP standards, I'd go with the more expensive one.
>
> > The next size up is unfortunately 5kg which of course would make it more economical but I don't know how long you could store these products before they go off (if this actually happens at all) and I think it would take me a long time to use up 5kg.
>
> They would be expected to have an indefinite shelf life. There's nothing that can happen if you keep it dry. I'd presume that both the 500 mg and 5 kg containers would be plastic with screw tops. That would be fine.
>
> > Unfortunately, these specs go way above my chemical knowledge so I'd like to ask you whether you would consider either of these products as suitable for human consumption based on the spec sheet analysis of these products?
> >
> > If your answer is yes which one would you recommend I purchase?
> >
> > Thanks in advance Larry
> >
> > regards
> > bluedog
>
> The more expensive one.
>
> LarThanks Larry
Believe it or not the Unilab British Pharmacopoeia (BP) grade Magnesium Chloride is actually the cheaper of the two products.
The Univar Magnesium Chloride (the more expensive one)conforms to to both American Chemical Society standards (ACS) and Food Chemicals Codex (FCC) standard which is apparently the standard required for a chemical to be allowed to be added to food in Australia.
In light of the above would you still recommend I go for the more expensive one. (It costs about $8.00 Australian Dollars more for the 500g pack of the more expensive Univar product.
I know I'm being paranoid but I assume that all these standards mean that these chemicals are quite pure and fit for human consumption....Right???????
thanks again Larry
regards
bluedog
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 14:02:39
In reply to Re: Larry something went wrong in those links, posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 12:55:49
> Sorry about that but the following link http://www.ajaxfinechem.com/products/products.html brings you to a page where there is another link on a tab called "products" and when you get to that page then the product codes I'm looking at are as follows.
>
> 296-500g and 297-500g
>
> Alternatively (and more simply) you can simply type in magnesium chloride and it will give you links to the products listed under the trade names of Univar and Unilab with another tab called info sheet at each separate product page which gives you the analytical tech sheets.
>
> Sorry about the bother Larry
>
> Regards
> bluedogI said Unilab on the last message, when I meant Univar. In the top section of the analytical report, it lists purity at 99-100.5%. The other one is 98-101%. If the cost difference is small, go with the purer stuff. I don't think you have anything to fear, even with the less pure product.
Lar
Posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 14:24:48
In reply to Re: Larry something went wrong in those links, posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 14:02:39
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 14:53:44
In reply to Thanks Larry and Goodnight, I'm Off to bed now:) (nm) » Larry Hoover, posted by bluedog on April 10, 2003, at 14:24:48
Just a bit about seeking out the highest quality of supplements (where evidence for such is available)....
You're not contemplating a one-time exposure to the supplement, you're contemplating a recurrent exposure to the same material. If there was to be any adverse effect, the most likely would arise from cumulative exposure to some impurity. So, the higher the standard of purity, the safer you are.
Lar
Posted by bluedog on April 11, 2003, at 5:23:45
In reply to Re: Thanks Larry » bluedog, posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 14:53:44
> Just a bit about seeking out the highest quality of supplements (where evidence for such is available)....
>
> You're not contemplating a one-time exposure to the supplement, you're contemplating a recurrent exposure to the same material. If there was to be any adverse effect, the most likely would arise from cumulative exposure to some impurity. So, the higher the standard of purity, the safer you are.
>
> Lar
Hi LarryI ended up buying the cheaper of the two substances because the supplier only had a 500g quantity avaialable of the (slightly) less pure substance in my city. However I contacted the companies head office and they assured me that the BP grade I purchased was actually Pharmaceutical grade AND food grade and was in fact pure enough to feed intravenously to hospital patients. The company actually pointed out to me that the BP grade Mag Chlor I was purchasing would in all probability be purer than the tap water I drink each day with regard to trace element contaminants so I felt safe purchasing the BP grade Mag Chlor.
If my magnesium trial with the 500g pack works out well for my health and overall vitality, I will then order a 5kg tub of the (slightly) purer product next time round.Now for my maths...please correct me if I am wrong.
Firstly To prevent the laxative effect kicking in I wish to start out conservatively and take only 150mg of elemental Mg in each separate dose.
1. My 500g tub of MgCL26H20 contains 400x150mg doses of elemental magnesium...Right?????
Secondly I just so happen to have a 20ml measuring cup at home (came with a cough mixture I once purchased). So rearranging your formula around I calculate the following:_
2. If I dissolve 62.5g of my Mag Chlor in 1000ml of water I will get 150mg of elemental Mg in every 20ml dose....Right????
This is the easiest way I can think of with the resources I currently have at home of getting a fairly accurate 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. (I'm not particularly worried about a few mg more or less each way).
3. Please correct me if I'm wrong :) :). My maths has definitely slipped over the years...what you don't use you lose...Right?????
Thanks Larry
regards
bluedog
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 11, 2003, at 9:11:37
In reply to Re: Is my Maths correct? » Larry Hoover, posted by bluedog on April 11, 2003, at 5:23:45
> Hi Larry
>
> I ended up buying the cheaper of the two substances because the supplier only had a 500g quantity avaialable of the (slightly) less pure substance in my city. However I contacted the companies head office and they assured me that the BP grade I purchased was actually Pharmaceutical grade AND food grade and was in fact pure enough to feed intravenously to hospital patients. The company actually pointed out to me that the BP grade Mag Chlor I was purchasing would in all probability be purer than the tap water I drink each day with regard to trace element contaminants so I felt safe purchasing the BP grade Mag Chlor.Sounds all right to me, too. <grin>
> If my magnesium trial with the 500g pack works out well for my health and overall vitality, I will then order a 5kg tub of the (slightly) purer product next time round.
If the stuff is IV grade, you can probably save the extra cost.
> Now for my maths...please correct me if I am wrong.
'kay
> Firstly To prevent the laxative effect kicking in I wish to start out conservatively and take only 150mg of elemental Mg in each separate dose.
>
> 1. My 500g tub of MgCL26H20 contains 400x150mg doses of elemental magnesium...Right?????Right.
> Secondly I just so happen to have a 20ml measuring cup at home (came with a cough mixture I once purchased).Is it just marked at 20 mL, or does it have other graduations?
>So rearranging your formula around I calculate the following:_
>
> 2. If I dissolve 62.5g of my Mag Chlor in 1000ml of water I will get 150mg of elemental Mg in every 20ml dose....Right????Yes, but....how do you propose to measure out 62.5 mg?
Alternatively, and using the ratio method, I've calculated that to get 150 mg Mg, from the whole lot dissolved in one litre, you'd need to take 2.5 mL, or 1/2 teaspoon. A baking measure will do fine.
> This is the easiest way I can think of with the resources I currently have at home of getting a fairly accurate 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. (I'm not particularly worried about a few mg more or less each way).Your method depends on determining the right mass of Mg(Cl)2 in the first place.
> 3. Please correct me if I'm wrong :) :). My maths has definitely slipped over the years...what you don't use you lose...Right?????That's why we invented calculators, non?
> Thanks Larry
>
> regards
> bluedogWelcome.
Lar
Posted by bluedog on April 11, 2003, at 12:20:20
In reply to Re: Is my Maths correct? » bluedog, posted by Larry Hoover on April 11, 2003, at 9:11:37
> > Hi Larry
> >
> > I ended up buying the cheaper of the two substances because the supplier only had a 500g quantity avaialable of the (slightly) less pure substance in my city. However I contacted the companies head office and they assured me that the BP grade I purchased was actually Pharmaceutical grade AND food grade and was in fact pure enough to feed intravenously to hospital patients. The company actually pointed out to me that the BP grade Mag Chlor I was purchasing would in all probability be purer than the tap water I drink each day with regard to trace element contaminants so I felt safe purchasing the BP grade Mag Chlor.
>
> Sounds all right to me, too. <grin>
>
> > If my magnesium trial with the 500g pack works out well for my health and overall vitality, I will then order a 5kg tub of the (slightly) purer product next time round.
>
> If the stuff is IV grade, you can probably save the extra cost.
>
> > Now for my maths...please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> 'kay
>
> > Firstly To prevent the laxative effect kicking in I wish to start out conservatively and take only 150mg of elemental Mg in each separate dose.
> >
> > 1. My 500g tub of MgCL26H20 contains 400x150mg doses of elemental magnesium...Right?????
>
> Right.
>
> > Secondly I just so happen to have a 20ml measuring cup at home (came with a cough mixture I once purchased).
>
> Is it just marked at 20 mL, or does it have other graduations?
It only has one other graduation at 1ml
>
> >So rearranging your formula around I calculate the following:_
> >
> > 2. If I dissolve 62.5g of my Mag Chlor in 1000ml of water I will get 150mg of elemental Mg in every 20ml dose....Right????
>
> Yes, but....how do you propose to measure out 62.5 mg?
>
Good point, I just checked out my kitchen scales and it would be rather difficult to measure out 62.5mg accurately. However doubling the amount to 125mg would be easier to measure out give or take a few grams but effectively doubling the strength of each 20ml dose to 300mg elemental Mg.
> Alternatively, and using the ratio method, I've calculated that to get 150 mg Mg, from the whole lot dissolved in one litre, you'd need to take 2.5 mL, or 1/2 teaspoon. A baking measure will do fine.
I can see your point, it would probably be a lot easier to buy a really cheap measuring cup with more graduations including 2.5ml, 5ml, 10ml etc to make things a little easier for me, or one of those sucky thingy's (I don't even know what you call them) with 0.5ml graduations) and to dissolve the whole 500g tub of my Mag Chlor into one litre of water.....Right?????
>
> > This is the easiest way I can think of with the resources I currently have at home of getting a fairly accurate 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. (I'm not particularly worried about a few mg more or less each way).
>
> Your method depends on determining the right mass of Mg(Cl)2 in the first place.
Your method sounds easier...just dissolve the whole tub into a one litre bottle or jar and then just use 2.5ml at a time to get my 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. Would it be necessary or desirable to to keep this bottle in the fridge or is room temp storage OK?
>
> > 3. Please correct me if I'm wrong :) :). My maths has definitely slipped over the years...what you don't use you lose...Right?????
>
> That's why we invented calculators, non?
>
I did use a calculator but I initially had completely forgotton how to re-arrange equations but once I practiced a bit it all came back to me and I finally got there and this is the equation I came up with working with my limited measuring ability of only a 20ml measuring cup:-Xml=(60g)(20ml)/0.15
However this gave me a completely ludicrous situation where I would need to dissolve my 500g tub in 8 litres of water to get my desired result. To make it less wieldy and to make smaller one litre lots I simply divided 500g by 8 to get my 62.5mg of Mag Chlor to get the desired results.
So all in all your original equation ends up being a lot more helpful to me:) :). In other words
Xml = (1000ml)(0.5)/60g
but I have simply replaced the 0.5 you used as an example with my target strength of 0.15 to get my intended dose of 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. You only need vary the 0.5 to 0.15 or 0.3 or 0.5 etc to get the ml you require for a particular dose strength of elemental Mg.
And applying this equation 2.5ml of the whole 500g tub dissolved in one litre does indeed give me a 150mg dose of elemental Mg (give or take a few mg either way due to my equipment not being lab quality accuracy) but it's good enough for my purposes. I can't argue with the experts:) :).
Thanks again Larry
regards
bluedog
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 11, 2003, at 14:10:27
In reply to Re: Is my Maths correct? » Larry Hoover, posted by bluedog on April 11, 2003, at 12:20:20
> > > Secondly I just so happen to have a 20ml measuring cup at home (came with a cough mixture I once purchased).
> >
> > Is it just marked at 20 mL, or does it have other graduations?
>
>
> It only has one other graduation at 1mlThat's not overly useful. :-/
> >
> > >So rearranging your formula around I calculate the following:_
> > >
> > > 2. If I dissolve 62.5g of my Mag Chlor in 1000ml of water I will get 150mg of elemental Mg in every 20ml dose....Right????
> >
> > Yes, but....how do you propose to measure out 62.5 mg?
> >
>
>
> Good point, I just checked out my kitchen scales and it would be rather difficult to measure out 62.5mg accurately. However doubling the amount to 125mg would be easier to measure out give or take a few grams but effectively doubling the strength of each 20ml dose to 300mg elemental Mg.You could also divide the 500 mg in half by volume. Just measure the whole thing in cups or whatever, and mix half of it with one litre of water. That would make 5 mL (one teaspoon) equal to 150 mg Mg.
> > Alternatively, and using the ratio method, I've calculated that to get 150 mg Mg, from the whole lot dissolved in one litre, you'd need to take 2.5 mL, or 1/2 teaspoon. A baking measure will do fine.
>
>
> I can see your point, it would probably be a lot easier to buy a really cheap measuring cup with more graduations including 2.5ml, 5ml, 10ml etc to make things a little easier for me, or one of those sucky thingy's (I don't even know what you call them) with 0.5ml graduations) and to dissolve the whole 500g tub of my Mag Chlor into one litre of water.....Right?????It's the simplest thing to do, all things considered.
> >
> > > This is the easiest way I can think of with the resources I currently have at home of getting a fairly accurate 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. (I'm not particularly worried about a few mg more or less each way).
> >
> > Your method depends on determining the right mass of Mg(Cl)2 in the first place.
>
>
> Your method sounds easier...just dissolve the whole tub into a one litre bottle or jar and then just use 2.5ml at a time to get my 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. Would it be necessary or desirable to to keep this bottle in the fridge or is room temp storage OK?I can't think of any reason to keep it refrigerated, but it wouldn't hurt anything to do so.
> >
> > > 3. Please correct me if I'm wrong :) :). My maths has definitely slipped over the years...what you don't use you lose...Right?????
> >
> > That's why we invented calculators, non?
> >
>
>
> I did use a calculator but I initially had completely forgotton how to re-arrange equations but once I practiced a bit it all came back to me and I finally got there and this is the equation I came up with working with my limited measuring ability of only a 20ml measuring cup:-
>
> Xml=(60g)(20ml)/0.15To be rigorous, there would need to be a g after the 0.15. Your units must divide out as well. This is how you check to make sure you've got the ratio rearranged properly.
> However this gave me a completely ludicrous situation where I would need to dissolve my 500g tub in 8 litres of water to get my desired result. To make it less wieldy and to make smaller one litre lots I simply divided 500g by 8 to get my 62.5mg of Mag Chlor to get the desired results.Now I understand better how you got to where you did.
> So all in all your original equation ends up being a lot more helpful to me:) :). In other words
>
> Xml = (1000ml)(0.5)/60gAgain, just for the people following along at home, there needs to be a "g" alongside the 0.5.
> but I have simply replaced the 0.5 you used as an example with my target strength of 0.15 to get my intended dose of 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. You only need vary the 0.5 to 0.15 or 0.3 or 0.5 etc to get the ml you require for a particular dose strength of elemental Mg.That's exactly right. You answer the question: "How much volume of this solution do I need to supply a given mass of Mg?"
> And applying this equation 2.5ml of the whole 500g tub dissolved in one litre does indeed give me a 150mg dose of elemental Mg (give or take a few mg either way due to my equipment not being lab quality accuracy) but it's good enough for my purposes. I can't argue with the experts:) :).
>
> Thanks again Larry
>
> regards
> bluedogYou're welcome. You might want to consider the alternative I mentioned at the top.....divide the volume in half, and mix one of those halves into one litre. That gives you a more manageable volume/mass relationship of 5 mL to 150 mg Mg.
Lar
Posted by bluedog on April 11, 2003, at 21:38:13
In reply to Re: Is my Maths correct?, posted by Larry Hoover on April 11, 2003, at 14:10:27
> > > Yes, but....how do you propose to measure out 62.5 mg?
> > >
> > Good point, I just checked out my kitchen scales and it would be rather difficult to measure out 62.5mg accurately. However doubling the amount to 125mg would be easier to measure out give or take a few grams but effectively doubling the strength of each 20ml dose to 300mg elemental Mg.
>
> You could also divide the 500 mg in half by volume. Just measure the whole thing in cups or whatever, and mix half of it with one litre of water. That would make 5 mL (one teaspoon) equal to 150 mg Mg.
>
Very good suggestion Larry!!!!!
> >
> > I can see your point, it would probably be a lot easier to buy a really cheap measuring cup with more graduations including 2.5ml, 5ml, 10ml etc to make things a little easier for me, or one of those sucky thingy's (I don't even know what you call them) with 0.5ml graduations) and to dissolve the whole 500g tub of my Mag Chlor into one litre of water.....Right?????
>
> It's the simplest thing to do, all things considered.
>
> > I did use a calculator but I initially had completely forgotton how to re-arrange equations but once I practiced a bit it all came back to me and I finally got there and this is the equation I came up with working with my limited measuring ability of only a 20ml measuring cup:-
> >
> > Xml=(60g)(20ml)/0.15
>
> To be rigorous, there would need to be a g after the 0.15.
Touche....now were even:):)
> > So all in all your original equation ends up being a lot more helpful to me:) :). In other words
> >
> > Xml = (1000ml)(0.5)/60g
>
> Again, just for the people following along at home, there needs to be a "g" alongside the 0.5.
>
Just rub it in why don't you :):):). Be aware I'm now on the lookout for any of your mistakes Larry ;).
> > but I have simply replaced the 0.5 you used as an example with my target strength of 0.15 to get my intended dose of 150mg of elemental Mg per dose. You only need vary the 0.5 to 0.15 or 0.3 or 0.5 etc to get the ml you require for a particular dose strength of elemental Mg.
>
> That's exactly right. You answer the question: "How much volume of this solution do I need to supply a given mass of Mg?"
>
> > And applying this equation 2.5ml of the whole 500g tub dissolved in one litre does indeed give me a 150mg dose of elemental Mg (give or take a few mg either way due to my equipment not being lab quality accuracy) but it's good enough for my purposes. I can't argue with the experts:) :).
> >
> You're welcome. You might want to consider the alternative I mentioned at the top.....divide the volume in half, and mix one of those halves into one litre. That gives you a more manageable volume/mass relationship of 5 mL to 150 mg Mg.
>
Like I said above....great idea Larry.....Also it's dead easy to measure out 250g on my kitchen scale.Thanks once more Larry. Your an absolute gold-mine on this board!!!!
regards
bluedog
Posted by McPac on April 11, 2003, at 22:54:59
In reply to Re: Now I am confused! - Bluedog » jodeye, posted by Larry Hoover on April 10, 2003, at 12:26:07
"three teaspoons in a tablespoon"
Every time I put two teaspoons of liquid onto a tablespoon it completely fills the rounded tablespoon up....putting a third teaspoon always causes a lot of the liquid to spill off the tablespoon...so how is it that 3 tsp = 1 tbspn?
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 12, 2003, at 7:14:41
In reply to 3 tsp-to-tablespoon , posted by McPac on April 11, 2003, at 22:54:59
> "three teaspoons in a tablespoon"
>
> Every time I put two teaspoons of liquid onto a tablespoon it completely fills the rounded tablespoon up....putting a third teaspoon always causes a lot of the liquid to spill off the tablespoon...so how is it that 3 tsp = 1 tbspn?Are you dealing with everyday cutlery, or spoons designed for measuring?
Posted by McPac on April 12, 2003, at 23:28:28
In reply to Re: 3 tsp-to-tablespoon , posted by Larry Hoover on April 12, 2003, at 7:14:41
"Are you dealing with everyday cutlery, or spoons designed for measuring?"
Oooops! Regular, eating utensils! Sorry.
Posted by disney4 on April 13, 2003, at 2:58:39
In reply to Re: 3 tsp-to-tablespoon , posted by McPac on April 12, 2003, at 23:28:28
Is anyone finding the magnesium glycinate to be too activating or is it calming? I take a slow release form of magnesium at this time with no problems, but thinking of changing to the mag-gly for the psychiatric benefits of the glycinate. I am almost out of the mag-tab sr, and am still undecided about the switch. I cannot tolerate anything activating.
Posted by McPac on April 13, 2003, at 13:11:19
In reply to magnesium glycinate, posted by disney4 on April 13, 2003, at 2:58:39
Mag. glycinate is NOT activating at all. In fact, it might relax you, if anything.
Posted by JLx on April 13, 2003, at 18:19:05
In reply to magnesium glycinate, posted by disney4 on April 13, 2003, at 2:58:39
Oops, didn't mean to check the "no message" box in that previous post.
I experimented with magnesium citrate last week and find the magnesium glycinate more effective for stress. (I was taking plenty of mg citrate to compensate for its lesser absorption too.)
It's been 7 weeks now on my whole new regimen of magnesium, other supplements and dietary changes and I still feel great. Except for a little matter of not having a job or other income....;)
Posted by johnj on April 13, 2003, at 19:16:18
In reply to Re: magnesium glycinate, posted by JLx on April 13, 2003, at 18:19:05
Hi JLx:
That is great everything is holding for you and you feel good. I cut back my Mg and my sleep has gotten better. I did find some information on the web that Mg can cause sleep problems in some people, especially if taken after five. I went back to 100 mg and now am back at 200 mg. I will see how this holds. My energy level was terrible during the week. I have not experienced such feelings for quite some time. I think when I started feeling better I made the mistake of jumping up to a higher dose. I am so med sensitive that maybe I am supplement sensitive too. Anyway, I found some information that was accurate to how I was reacting. The only quandry is why did I feel good for 9 or so days? I think I did overdo it physically and then an increased supplementation was not the right thing. I have started using some apple cider vinegar right after I do anything physical and also in the mornings. Again, I need to go slow and Larry was so right in that I need to not get in a rush. One thing I do know is that those days were very good ones and it shows me where I would like to get again. Thank you for all your links. I will read them this week if I have the energy. There wasn't any point of reading much for the last 10 days or so since I couldn't retain any of it. I am going to try the magnesium glycinate and see how I do. A little at a time. This site has been a godsend and everybody so informative and helpful. Thank you and keep us informed.
johnj
Posted by fuji on April 14, 2003, at 6:58:05
In reply to Re: magnesium glycinate » JLx, posted by johnj on April 13, 2003, at 19:16:18
So I am not the only one with sleep problems on the mg. I didn't take any for one day and slept straight through that night. Started it again and had another one of those up every few hours type of sleep. I think I will drop back to 200mg and see how that goes. It's strange because I can always go to sleep and stay asleep but the mg is definitely impacting my sleep. I want to feel motivated during the day and nothing seems to help that!!
Thanks.> Hi JLx:
>
> That is great everything is holding for you and you feel good. I cut back my Mg and my sleep has gotten better. I did find some information on the web that Mg can cause sleep problems in some people, especially if taken after five. I went back to 100 mg and now am back at 200 mg. I will see how this holds. My energy level was terrible during the week. I have not experienced such feelings for quite some time. I think when I started feeling better I made the mistake of jumping up to a higher dose. I am so med sensitive that maybe I am supplement sensitive too. Anyway, I found some information that was accurate to how I was reacting. The only quandry is why did I feel good for 9 or so days? I think I did overdo it physically and then an increased supplementation was not the right thing. I have started using some apple cider vinegar right after I do anything physical and also in the mornings. Again, I need to go slow and Larry was so right in that I need to not get in a rush. One thing I do know is that those days were very good ones and it shows me where I would like to get again. Thank you for all your links. I will read them this week if I have the energy. There wasn't any point of reading much for the last 10 days or so since I couldn't retain any of it. I am going to try the magnesium glycinate and see how I do. A little at a time. This site has been a godsend and everybody so informative and helpful. Thank you and keep us informed.
> johnj
Posted by johnj on April 14, 2003, at 8:53:59
In reply to Re: magnesium glycinate, posted by fuji on April 14, 2003, at 6:58:05
Fuji:
Did you start having sleep problems with Mg right away? I was great for about 10 days and then things changed. I had great sleep at first and then started having problems. I read that it may be best to take it earlier in the day as I took it all in the evening. I took 100 mg at 3:30 and then another 100 mg at 5:00 pm yesterday and things seemed to work well. I like the anti-anxiety effect it gives me and it affects my sleep somehow, but the info I read said it can cause insomnia. However, this is not what most people experience. I had the same type of problem with fish oil. I think I just need lower doses. I will continue to take 100 to 200 a day. Each of us is different so see if you can get a dose that helps. Good luck
johnj
let us know how it works.
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 14, 2003, at 9:33:26
In reply to Re: magnesium glycinate, posted by fuji on April 14, 2003, at 6:58:05
> So I am not the only one with sleep problems on the mg. I didn't take any for one day and slept straight through that night. Started it again and had another one of those up every few hours type of sleep. I think I will drop back to 200mg and see how that goes. It's strange because I can always go to sleep and stay asleep but the mg is definitely impacting my sleep. I want to feel motivated during the day and nothing seems to help that!!
Has anybody with these sleep problems contacted the guy who runs that magnesium website? It seems like an appropriate thing to do, as I expect he's encountered it before.
Lar
Posted by johnj on April 14, 2003, at 13:30:37
In reply to Re: magnesium glycinate » fuji, posted by Larry Hoover on April 14, 2003, at 9:33:26
Good suggestion, I will do that this evening. I don't think Mg can build up can it? I didn't think i was cumulative like NADH, I thought the body excreted what it didn't use? Maybe I excrete it slower? Who knows.
The other possibility for me is that it might make my benzo dose somehow stronger or add to the effect. I found when I lowered my dose the fatigue seemed to abate some. Don't know if this means anything, but if I can get somewhat stable after a month or so I might try to lower my benzo and see what happens or lower it while increasing Mg. Just have to be patient and try things I guess like you suggested and not get into such a hurry. Thanks. take care
Johnj
Posted by JLx on April 14, 2003, at 14:23:10
In reply to Re: magnesium glycinate » Larry Hoover, posted by johnj on April 14, 2003, at 13:30:37
Hi, John J.
I hope you can get this to work for you long term as it did temporarily.
I suggest that you check out what Eby has on his site about sleep. He has a link to his section "High quality sleep" right under the main title now, or click here: http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#sleep
I follow all of his dietary advice (no caffeine, no sugar, no high glycemic foods, no aspartame, etc.), including taking 3 mg of melatonin and 50 mg of 5-HTP at night, plus 200 mg magnesium glycinate or a Epsom Salt bath. AND I also take about 1 gram of glycine at night. I have chronic back pain and also have a lot of tension in my back and I read that glycine is especially good to relax the spinal area. (Per "Depression Free Naturally" by Joan Mathews Larson.) I take 1300 mg of Evening Primrose oil with that, and usually a small piece of fruit such as apple. I figure it all helps with absorption. So far, it's been foolproof in getting me to sleep no matter how wound up I feel or how much my mind is worrying my financial situation.
I've also been so diligently avoiding calcium in my diet that now that some weeks have elapsed, I am adding back some by drinking spring water half the time, especially in the evening, with a 3:1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. It's supposed to be very absorbable that way, it's not much calcium overall and I figured I needed it because I was getting little cramps in my feet at night.
"Fiji" brand water has an almost equal amount of magnesium to calcium, btw. According to their bottle anyway. It also has silica and other minerals.
When I was taking Prozac and could never sleep, I started taking GABA before bed and that helped. I'm not sure of the chemistry there, I had just read about it in a book I have on amino acids and tried it. I mentioned it to my psychiatrist then, and she said it "made sense" that it would work and was going to recommend it to her other patients.
Posted by syringachalet on April 14, 2003, at 21:59:21
In reply to Re: 3 tsp-to-tablespoon , posted by McPac on April 12, 2003, at 23:28:28
If you are ever truly concerned, they have those measuring medication spoons at the drug counter that people use to measure out medication for infants and small children.
( Most MDs these days prescribe children and elderly peoples medications according to kilogram body weight and not age. Not all five year olds are 60 pounds..if you get my drift.)Just a friendly FYI.
syringachalet
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