Posted by 49er on July 3, 2009, at 7:54:27
In reply to Re: long term Remeron use » Yoga_Lover30, posted by yxibow on June 27, 2009, at 23:22:18
<<There was even an NIH drug trial of it here which came to the conclusion that there was insufficient evidence of any particular efficacy and the trials were too small in the first place.>>Personally, I wouldn't trust an NIH drug trial as those folks aren't the most objective regarding alternative health. Don't get me wrong as I am not convinced that Empower Plus works but at the same time, I wouldn't rely on NIH to tell me if these supplements were effective or not.
<<The ingredients are all there to be searched in Canadian databases, they're nothing that you couldn't put together yourself from vitamin and mineral supplements.>>
I agree. I remember studying the ingredients and thought that for what they were offering, it was definitely way overpriced.
<< Personally I think the marketing of it which has caused stabilized patients to come off their medications and revert to a serious state is reprehensible but there are few ways that the FDA can do anything except attempt to stop marketing a substance as a "cure" for anything.>>
I am wondering if it is due to the fact that they encourage people to taper way too fast in transitioning to empower plus.
When I foolishly tried Label Me Sane Products, they advocated a 10% taper per week from the starting dose. That would have been a disaster for me.>
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<<I haven't heard anything about Remeron and osteoporosis, if it was that sensitive a connection there would be a black box.>>Not necessarily. Look at how long it took black box warnings to appear on SSRIS?
I agree that what looks like to be a rare occurrence doesn't warrant a black box warning. But you can't just automatically dismiss it either.
I suffered a hearing loss from Remeron. A few years ago, I couldn't find any information on ototoxic meds. Now, it is more common and includes antidepressants. I still can't find specific information but my point is that just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
<<Osteoporosis though really is a part of human existence, depending on its severity.>>
Not if you're thirty.
<<If you think you have extremely early onset bone disorders, that should be investigated by a proper orthopedic clinician and appropriate action that is capable in 2009 should be taken.>>Normally, this is very sensible advice. But if a doctor refuses to consider that it could be an adverse side effect, you are wasting your time.
I did this with my hearing loss and was misdiagnosed with coclear meniere's disease only to realize the hearing loss was definitely from Remeron. I wasted alot of time not trusting my instincts.>
<<As for Tardive Dyskinesia from Remeron 3 weeks into it, that I find nearly impossible.>>
I have to admit I agree with you. But an experience with a supplement I am taking is causing me to say, don't discount anything.
I believe what I am taking worsens my tinnitus considerably even though all the research I have done says this should not be happening. My dilemma is it helps in other ways and doesn't cause insomnia like other ones I have taken. Obviously, I have to make a decision but that is why I am not ready to completely blow off this claim even though I mostly agree with you.
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<< In fact there was a small study (again, not enough for a major conclusion) in Israel in a journal that Remeron had improved Tardive (-late-, as in as little as multiple months to more usually years to decades of treatment) disorders.>>With all the side effects that Remeron has, I find that hard to believe.
> Can you describe what you are experiencing ? I would think if it was anything it would be something that is in the EPS (extrapyramidal symptom) or "side effect" category, the name is usually limited to antipsychotics.
Hasn't there been some links of TD to long term use of SSRIs? I am drawing a blank as to where i have seen this.
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