Posted by yxibow on February 21, 2007, at 19:07:57
In reply to Re: Listen i have gained weight, Zyprexa, or Proza » yxibow, posted by Chairman_MAO on February 21, 2007, at 13:53:29
...which is why I didn't want to have the aspartame debate because it is so polarized. I don't speak for Monsanto and I don't speak for any side.
But the whole methanol issue regarding it, one would literally have to consume hundreds of diet sodas a day to get remotely near a level in the blood.
Saccharin (which has been proven to be non carcinogenic no matter how many studies people request and everyone of us is still here and we've downed toothpaste and pepto bismol for years if we didn't drink the earliest diet sodas), Aspartame (except for PKU sufferers), and sucralose, are 100, 1000 times better than going down a road of diabetes 2 because you've been scarfing sodas. We are a culture of soda drinkers, we have been for decades since the "soda jerks" of the early turn of the century.You can also argue that drinking anything sweet can lead to eating sweet foods, for diabetics. That is a possibility, there are no guarantees.
There are fairly safe substitutes for solid things like candy bars for diabetics (although too much will give you loose stools), e.g. maltitol.
Stevia has not been put through double blind tests. I don't think an occasional use of it is bad, but it has bitter alkaloids in it (they have to be refined out to even make it taste good -- I used to grow it for fun and I'd eat a leaf and it was sweet for a second and particularly awful afterwards.) If tests were done on refined stevia and we stuffed rats and beagles with stevia, and nothing was wrong, I have no objection.
Dextrose/glucose has 75% of the calories for the same sweet taste and is obviously GRAS (generally recognized as safe) but again, not something to be taken lightly by diabetics.
In the end, headaches, issues with various sweeteners, pale in comparison to abject obesity. So I have a few diet sodas a day. I'm still here. I also like soda water and lime. Bitter/tart things tend to quench thirst better than any sweet product just due to our taste buds. So if you've been working out in the yard, some water with lemon probably will cut the thirst even more.
We are the last of a generation to have seltzer water delivered to our door, and even that is sporadic. It used to be a time immemorial thing like getting your milk at the door. The old glass bottles with the spritzer knob. Now there's a company in argentina which makes partially plastic, partially brass ones. But those don't last as long although they're apparently popular among that community.
But I'd like to eventually keep myself on the left of the 200 side of the scale, so if it takes some diet products, so be it. Its better than converting to diabetes.- tidings
Jay
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