Posted by willyee on September 17, 2006, at 17:32:07
In reply to Re: discontonuimg Emsam » willyee, posted by Donna Louise on September 17, 2006, at 5:40:51
> > > > I am bipolar (also mild) and am on Emsam (18mg/2 9mg patches daily) with no affect on that afflication. I know I am lucky and I am sorry that it has brought out the bad side for you. Parnate is the MAOI of choice for people who are bipolar with less of a tendency to jump into a manic state. YOu might give it a try. No weight gain either...in fact weight loss is the norm.
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> > > > Terri
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> > > that is important, no weight gain. and not a tendency to get that awful mixed state. I was afraid it would make me too jumpy from what i have read, seems that is a problem for me but sounds like the votes are coming in for parnate. what have i got to lose? I am making an emergency appt to see the pdoc as soon as she gets in tues and will talk to her about that.
> > > thanks for responding, that helps as much as anything, people are listening and care enough to answer. that really really helps.
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> > > donna
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> > One good thing about parnate is its fast,as far as its initial come on.Nomraly you wont have to wait very long for some form of relief if its gonna work for you,its known to be one of the most fast acting anti depressants.You sound in a terrable state,and even if in the long run you opt to change parnate,it sounds like a good choice for you again due to the fact that its a fast acting drug,and you definatly can use a drug that will take effect asap.
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> > Also i wouls ask,even thought you have depression,and klonopin can be hard on it,still i consider it a life saver when things are so bad to where you described you cant go for a walk.
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> > If youre not already,id look into slowly creeping up onto a steady dose if klonopin,your depression might worsen at first,but in the long run your anxiety levels will decrease dramaticaly and more likly so will your hypomania.
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> > I find no other benzo capable of producing the reliaf klonopin does,nor any other drug period,lamictal and the like,they all have value,but klonopin to me holds a life saving value,if your on it id consider looking into getting it raised temporaly,especialy with deprenyl i know personaly klonopin has a synergy with this drug both in raising it,and lowering it,it seems to,and a weird term here,ride with the drug.
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> > So id recomend Klonopin and parnate later on to get u to a safer state,just my two cents from dealing with the med in question,as i have also exper the mania deprenyl is capable of,and it can make u feel like ur mad,its quite scary,i couldent even sit beside people,thats how bad it got,my state now is nothing like that,nor was it ever except on it.
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> I have been "moody" all my life but not to the extent that I have been on the patch, and that is with klonopin. I know i couldnt have taken the patch at all without it. I agree with you, it makes a big difference with me regardless of whatever i am trying.
> I was afraid that the patch and parnate would be almost identical in terms of stimulation and feared that it would really be no different than the patch. But you are saying you have taken both and they are totally different in their effects on your mood. That info suprises and really helps make unafraid to give it a try. My ride season is approaching (horses, distance riding) and at this rate i won't be able to go so you are right, I need something fast acting for that reason too, not to mention it would be nice to take a walk.
> I feel better than I did yesterday but could be crying again by this afternoon. I decided to cut the patch in half and take 6mg so hopefully i can see a friend as planned for a long time this weekend and not be in a bad withdrawal.
> thanks so much for replying, Willyee.
>Yess there is a initial reseambalance,but personaly having used both extenivsly i would say the two drugs are different,deprenyl regardless of dose when accumlated creates a ora of agigtation,anxiety,depression,and hypomania.
Parnate for whatever reason doesent seem to feel as if it accumaltes so,this has its downside for parnate in the long run for some becomes to sedating,im having trouble because of fatigue and lack of stumulation the drug is providing,but ve been on it 5 years,but im in need of a very long vaction from it,but remebering its effect the first year on it,i would definataly recomend it as an option to one in need of a effective possable anti depressant.
Even when i heard deprenyl was comming out in patch,and the dose factor,i still was surprised as i always contained,this through reading groups that really use this drug in small doses,that this is what its mainly for,the oral form is most potent and best used very sparingly in mg drops to aid in conjunction with other drugs,or to serve for minor depression being used sparingly on a couple of days cycle.To have deprenyl being pumped into the blood stream at any dose just dident sound assuring to me,which is why i actualy turned the patch down,which i never would do on a possable alternative,i was offered it on its first week,and knowing it as i do,opted to wait because i just had trouble seeing it NOT causing mania.Good luck
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